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soundmusic is just trolling. Here are some of his other posts:
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The guy is trolling, obviously. I wouldn't doubt that this is a duplicate trolling account for the person who said that Nanny McPhee was amazingly the best bass movie of all time:
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You are right vader. Most subs have filters in them already to protect them. Also, most home audio equipment have features designed to compress the dynamic range to keep the volume down. No need to mix those features in.
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Both are "experience" movies IMO and story definitely takes a back seat to the A/V spectacle. I would not watch either one more than once if all I had was a small flat panel and the tv speakers to go along with it. Put both movies on a nice HT setup though and it's a different ballgame. cool.gif Both are kick ass HT experiences. I have watched Cloverfield countless times in my HT as it is one of my favorite experiences down there not only for bass, but just as a whole (although the low end is certainly the highlight). I know PR will get great repeat value in my HT as well, plus it sounds like the 3d is great from various reports which is just one more reason to take it for a drive. cool.gif

Agree with you about the home theater experience. I just put together a very nice HT setup and I watched PacRim 3D last night and it was just killer!

The following rant is purely my opinion so here goes...

As for Cloverfield, I don't have that movie nor will I ever want to play that garbage on my HT system! I would rather play My Little Pony a 1000 times before even considering playing that crap. I really don't like JJ Abrams. I think he is one of the most talentless director there is. When he first promoted Cloverfield, I thought it was going to be a really great alien/sci-fi movie. My expectation was very high. But when I finally watched it, it was a disappointment at a gargantuan scale! It was a complete waste of money and time! The story was so lame. I don't even know what I was watching! All I can see is just fast moving images throughout the whole movie. I wanted to barf in the middle of the film. If the movie came with warnings like bring a barf bag, you'll need it not just for the fast motion but for the movie itself, then that's fair. But I was caught blindsided by how horrible it was. Hence my hatred towards the movie and the director.

Furthermore, this JJ (Joke Joke) Abrams guy completely changed the entire Star Trek universe to his own liking. Let me see what he changed. Well, Vulcan is destroyed, Spock has feelings and emotions, he cries in Into Darkness, Uhura is in love with Spock, Kirk is a rogue captain violating the Prime Directive left and right, etc, etc. he basically changed the entire timeline for future Star Trek. In another word, he singlehandedly rewrote Star Trek! I'm sure Gene Roddenbury is probably turning over his grave many times! And now he's directing Star Wars? I wonder what he's going to change there? Maybe Darth Vader is the Emperor's son? Luke Skywalker really isn't Darth's son after all so now he fights over Han Solo for Lea. The Stormtroopers are probably the good guys! Who knows! I just can't wait to see what he changes. Either way, I'm bringing a barf bag just in case.
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soundmusic is just trolling. Here are some of his other posts:
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The guy is trolling, obviously. I wouldn't doubt that this is a duplicate trolling account for the person who said that Nanny McPhee was amazingly the best bass movie of all time:
Relax nube I'm not a troll. I'm just trying to inject a little silliness into what is obviously a very tense discussion about ULF, lowest bass, waterfall graphs, etc etc. I am no audiophile for sure. I don't even know what ULF, LFE mean. All I know is I have great speakers, screen and only the best movies gets played in my HT system i.e. no Cloverfield!
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FINALLY!

Someone thought my joke was funny. LOL!

At the time I posted that funny movie, people within this thread were arguing about something that was not related to this thread. So I wanted to break the tension by putting up a funny movie Nanny McPhee. However, this movie may not have the best BASS, there are some nice bass in the movie.

About the user soundmusic, I have no idea who it is and I think he/she is trying to be funny like me. I thought it was pretty silly myself when I saw My Little Pony with massive BASS. I was laughing so hard that my stomach was hurting.

Not everything you see is Trolling. Relax, some people on here are just having a good time.
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So Audiofan, now that we know your above speculation is not accurate and the mixes actually are identical, have you figured out what was making the 5.1 mix seem inferior in your setup? As Nube said, whatever post processing you were using is the most likely answer. I am now curious what post processing you used on the 5.1?

I plan on a second viewing this weekend to see as it was half way through when I switched tracks. As for processors I use a Marantz 8801 to which I bitstream from an Oppo 105 with Audyssey engaged and no Dynamic EQ. Nube may be right on the way the 8801 matrixed the 7.1 soundtrack. I would consider my setup very discerning of the smallest differences which is something that can be love or hate at times, the main difference here was a more spacious bubble vs. the tightly confined sound of the 5.1 mix which seemed to leave very little room for variation within the soundfield itself , now there is nothing wrong with that and it still sounded good but I did notice when increasing the bass level which was there, the overall loudness drowned out any pitch definition which I found switching to the DTS MA7.1 track restored and sub gained significant punch and more jolts through the concrete, this could merely be a difference of the timing or delay due to the matrixing and that extra 1 db! who knows! but it did give me what I consider 3.5 to 4 star bass wink.gif
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Continuing the trend of filtered ULF, Man of Steel:


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Yep, that's about what I heard. Most disappointing bass of the year. Not WORST (that would be The Hobbit) but most disappointing because so many of us had high hopes.

The Hobbit has been one of my biggest audio disappointments to date. Especially considering how good the LOTR trilogy sounds. Weird how HT mag scored it perfect IIRC as well as some others.
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What I was curious about was what type of post processing you used for the 5.1 track to take it to 7.1? The mixes are the same so whatever differences you are hearing is most likely due to whatever processing you are using to take the 5.1 to 7.1. If you listen to both tracks as they are, the only difference you should be hearing should be with whatever taking the track from 2 surrounds to 4 surrounds does for the surround info. In my setup for example this is very little since I sit right in the sweet spot where all my speakers are calibrated to which gives good stereo type effects for just 5.1 creating the illusion of pans and sounds coming from behind the listener where there are no speakers. The difference between this and actually using all 4 of my surrounds is not much because of this.

I am still curious though what post processing you are using to matrix the 5.1 to 7.1? I use PLIIx.

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What I was curious about was what type of post processing you used for the 5.1 track to take it to 7.1? The mixes are the same so whatever differences you are hearing is most likely due to whatever processing you are using to take the 5.1 to 7.1. If you listen to both tracks as they are, the only difference you should be hearing should be with whatever taking the track from 2 surrounds to 4 surrounds does for the surround info. In my setup for example this is very little since I sit right in the sweet spot where all my speakers are calibrated to which gives good stereo type effects for just 5.1 creating the illusion of pans and sounds coming from behind the listener where there are no speakers. The difference between this and actually using all 4 of my surrounds is not much because of this.

I am still curious though what post processing you are using to matrix the 5.1 to 7.1? I use PLIIx.

The selection was done in the 105 , the 8801 will still read out DTS MA with the number of channels displayed regardless of its a 7.1 or 5.1 or 6.1 unless another processing mode is selected such as Dpl II, multi ch stereo, DTS neo etc... But in this case it just matrix the rears of a 7.1 sound track into two without any further processing I'm aware of! I will confirm this later to be sure.
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Sorry, I misunderstood what you were doing. So you have a 5.1 setup and you are taking the 7.1 track and downmixing to 5.1? I think the same point still stands that the differences you are hearing are not due to a difference in the tracks since they have been verified to be the same mix, but rather due to whatever the downmix from 7.1 to 5.1 is doing.

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Curious, can your software overlay one graph onto the other?

Here's nube's measurements compared:



He's right, no appreciable difference.

Thanks, looked to be a bigger difference than looking at it this way, altho since we're looking at a whole movie in a snapshot, arent' some of these differences significant?

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Thanks, looked to be a bigger difference than looking at it this way, altho since we're looking at a whole movie in a snapshot, arent' some of these differences significant?

Hard to say, we'd have to do waterfalls of individual scenes. Doesn't seem worth it at this point considering both versions are equally poor ULF-wise.

Remember, it would only take one moment in one scene of something considerably different (say a single 15Hz hit at -25dB) to have that peak line shoot up in one version vs the other, and as you can see, it didn't.
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Sorry, I misunderstood what you were doing. So you have a 5.1 setup and you are taking the 7.1 track and downmixing to 5.1? I think the same point still stands that the differences you are hearing are not due to a difference in the tracks since they have been verified to be the same mix, but rather due to whatever the downmix from 7.1 to 5.1 is doing.

Kinda what I'm thinking as well !
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The Ralphs review is dead on plus the vast array of comments on this one, but I did find the DTS MA 7.1 mix to sound better to my ears ( even having a 5.1 playback setup) which was more spacious sounding vs. the tighter bubble of the 5.1 mix, add top notch visuals and a soundtrack that lends itself well to the on screen content which was big and there you have it wink.gif

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So you agree with Ralph that its a 5/5 on the bass, but then you say the bass is 3.5-4 / 5? You don't have to please people if its a 5/5 you can say so here too - you are entitled to your opinion.
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Curious, can your software overlay one graph onto the other?

Here's nube's measurements compared:



He's right, no appreciable difference.

Thanks, looked to be a bigger difference than looking at it this way, altho since we're looking at a whole movie in a snapshot, arent' some of these differences significant?
What differences? The green line and the orange line trace each other so closely that the majority of the Peak line (the top line) has turned yellow. The differences that occur rarely (where you can actually see a separate orange and green line when the graph is expanded) are so small, they're only fractions of a db. That's the peak line, so we're talking about the highest levels at any time in the movie.


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So you agree with Ralph that its a 5/5 on the bass, but then you say the bass is 3.5-4 / 5? You don't have to please people if its a 5/5 you can say so here too - you are entitled to your opinion.

I tried to distinguished this already when this came up with STID, the criteria is different but I will try again to clarify. On the review thread its as a whole to which sound tracks are gauged and do believe my comments refereed to how the bass lended itself to the movie as a whole to which I agreed with Ralph, now as for singling out its bass in this particular thread , its well known its filtered but I did like the content that it did have and would err closer to the 3.5 rating to which my subjective listening experience warranted. if you wish to imply something else then you're mistaken by a long shot wink.gif

two separate threads, keep that in mind when reading post in various threads, as I may post in the video thread as well biggrin.gif
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Nothing implied. I just wasn't aware of your multiple standards since you didn't mention it. You should stick up for your own opinion is my only message.
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Nothing implied. I just wasn't aware of your multiple standards since you didn't mention it. You should stick up for your own opinion is my only message.

eek.gif Some say I'm too opinionated biggrin.gif you should read the reviews that I didn't agree with Ralphs ratings when they were over or under but when I agree, I agree and don't back track . I do appreciate where you're coming from on this but I my standards between to the threads are different, as this one is in regards to bass only .
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How is the bass in iron man 3and this is the end? Going to check them out tonight

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I just watched iron man 3 and it was suprisingly light on bass. I tried to run the sub hotter by 3db, but it wasn't the volume of it imo but the credibility of the impacts that just didn't line up like I remember in the first iron man.
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Man, Cloverfield had got to be the worst movie I have ever seen! I almost threw up at the end because of all the stupid jerky motion it has. And worst yet, the story was so incredibly dumb. In fact, I completely forgot what that movie was about. I wouldn't care if the movie has extremely low bass. If the story is terrible, then it's just not worth watching or listening to.

And to compare Cloverfield to Pacific Rim is like comparing crap to quality. Absolutely no comparison at all!

I agree wholeheartedly about Cloverfield being a terrible movie. The same goes for Battle LA which I would never buy. I bought Cloverfield for $8.00, and it was $8 wasted. Bad movie with even worse herky-jerky camera work. Great bass, but so what?

At first, Pacific Rim was a disappointment for me. After a second and third viewing, I give PR credit for being a clean wholesome movie with some cool giant robots. Does it have awesome bass? No. But the movie can be watched a few more times, where movies like Cloverfield and Battle LA would never get pulled out of its cases except for the few bass demo scenes.
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I agree wholeheartedly about Cloverfield being a terrible movie. The same goes for Battle LA which I would never buy. I bought Cloverfield for $8.00, and it was $8 wasted. Bad movie with even worse herky-jerky camera work. Great bass, but so what?

At first, Pacific Rim was a disappointment for me. After a second and third viewing, I give PR credit for being a clean wholesome movie with some cool giant robots. Does it have awesome bass? No. But the movie can be watched a few more times, where movies like Cloverfield and Battle LA would never get pulled out of its cases except for the few bass demo scenes.

This is precisely the point I bought up a little while ago in this very thread I believe. It doesn't matter if the movie has ulf in it. If it's bad, it needs to be left alone. Content needs to be paid attention to. We should not be rewarding those who make terrible movies just because they took some of the money they could have spent making a viewable movie on bass. There are too many others out there struggling to make good movies that deserve that money much more.

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This is precisely the point I bought up a little while ago in this very thread I believe. It doesn't matter if the movie has ulf in it. If it's bad, it needs to be left alone. Content needs to be paid attention to. We should not be rewarding those who make terrible movies just because they took some of the money they could have spent making a viewable movie on bass. There are too many others out there struggling to make good movies that deserve that money much more.

You're in the wrong thread then. Just take a gander at the title.

By your logic, we also shouldn't be "rewarding" those who make good movies just because they didn't bother to give us some quality bass.

It's hilarious that you think they took some of the money that could have been spent on making it a "better" movie and instead "spent" it on bass.

Most of the time, all they would have to do is NOT apply a damn HPF; they could save time and we'd all be happier.

By the way, Cloverfield has a 7.1 rating on IMDb and 77% on Rotten Tomatoes. Your minority opinion means little. rolleyes.gif
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Yup. This thread is called, 'List of bass in movies'.

Not 'List of bass in good movies'. wink.giftongue.gifbiggrin.gif
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Exactly, the only reason I subscribed to this thread was because it didn't base the movies off of people's opinions that I don't give a flying ($#! about. If I cared what people thought about a movie I'd read one of the reviews on this site or another site.
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eek.gif Some say I'm too opinionated biggrin.gif you should read the reviews that I didn't agree with Ralphs ratings when they were over or under but when I agree, I agree and don't back track . I do appreciate where you're coming from on this but I my standards between to the threads are different, as this one is in regards to bass only .
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You are right vader. Most subs have filters in them already to protect them. Also, most home audio equipment have features designed to compress the dynamic range to keep the volume down. No need to mix those features in.

Thanks, mo949!

Kinda figures that the studios, in their infinite wisdom (insert sarcasm here...), would tailor to the Best Buy/Wally World audio crowd, and leave true audiophiles (and wanna-bees... like me) out in the proverbial cold...frown.gif

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Watching a movie is no different then eating a stake or salad!

****WARNING****
I'm speaking for me "a Basshead" I'm not a "purist"

Every movie I watch has lots of bass...some more than others.
The thing is I'm not a "purist" and that's fine with me, cause it's personal taste, period!
I like (love) lots of bass.

So what do I do?
Very simple...if I want my meat to taste more (To my liking) I will ADD more salt or more sauce or more spice...key word here "ADD"
If I want my salad to taste more (To my liking) I will ADD more salt, pepper, salad dressing...etc.
I think you get my drift!

When I watch a movie I ADD more bass...it's so easy to do it's mind bugling.

This (AGAIN...is my opinion only) is how I enjoy my movies (by ADDING more bass if needed!)

Enjoy the movies guys...just add a little here and there...it's so simple biggrin.gif

With that said how could one not enjoy PR running the subs hot! I completely loved it. Pure orgasm for me.
For me there's nothing wrong with fixing something to your liking...especially when it's so simple to do

Sincerest regards,
A basshead
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As for Cloverfield, I don't have that movie nor will I ever want to play that garbage on my HT system! I would rather play My Little Pony a 1000 times before even considering playing that crap. I really don't like JJ Abrams. I think he is one of the most talentless director there is. When he first promoted Cloverfield, I thought it was going to be a really great alien/sci-fi movie. My expectation was very high. But when I finally watched it, it was a disappointment at a gargantuan scale! It was a complete waste of money and time! The story was so lame. I don't even know what I was watching! All I can see is just fast moving images throughout the whole movie. I wanted to barf in the middle of the film. If the movie came with warnings like bring a barf bag, you'll need it not just for the fast motion but for the movie itself, then that's fair. But I was caught blindsided by how horrible it was. Hence my hatred towards the movie and the director.

WOW!

You can watch My Little Pony a 1000 times!!!

Man, I am about to die laughing again! hahaha

I think we can all agreed that soundmusic does not like the director JJ Abrams. lol

Just kidding with you soundmusic.
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Since Halloween is coming up. What are some spooky movies with some scary BASS you can recommend?

I just watched the movie Evil Dead (2013) in blu-ray and the bass was definitely a scary BASS. Perfect for Halloween!!
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Since Halloween is coming up. What are some spooky movies with some scary BASS you can recommend?

I just watched the movie Evil Dead (2013) in blu-ray and the bass was definitely a scary BASS. Perfect for Halloween!!

A few of my favorites that I have watched this year are Monster House, Cabin in the Woods and 30 Days of Night. Wish The Haunting was on blu........might just have to rough it with the DVD version video and that awesome DTS track.

Getting ready to fire up Triangle which is another great one IMO. cool.gif
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