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BeeMan458's Avatar BeeMan458 05:40 AM 12-13-2013
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No offence taken Beeman. I didn't mean to come off sounding precious, just having a bit of fun smile.gif. Just watched Wrath of the Titans. Great bass for sure but movie pretty average. Thought the audio apart from the bass pretty average too. If Oblivions mix is sublime Wraths is at the other end of the scale. Found it inconsistent in terms of creating a quality surround experience.

I try to be respectful of everybody's opinion and don't mind taking the time to clarify my position. Thanks for the thought.

Have you tried OHF? The trailers make me believe this movie has an excellent bass track.

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AJ72's Avatar AJ72 05:55 AM 12-13-2013
Yes have watched OHF a few times. Bought it after all the praise being given to it in this thread. It's got some of the best bass scenes of all time. Washington monument scene is 21 seconds of bass Nirvana. Can't remember other specific scenes but they are littered all the way through the film. Movie is also very good IMO.
BeeMan458's Avatar BeeMan458 05:59 AM 12-13-2013
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Thank-you. This movie has been added to our Amazon shopping cart.

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"Dual JTR Captivators 2400"

Now that's a subwoofer system.

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carp's Avatar carp 06:43 AM 12-13-2013
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there were no 50cals in that scene, those were (if I recall correctly) 240s and 134s which both fire 7.62x51 biggrin.gif

Ahhhh....I stand corrected. smile.gif
Tom C's Avatar Tom C 06:46 AM 12-13-2013
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I can't either.

Don't worry Tom I fall pretty hard at 7 Hz with my two submersives

7 Hz? How do you get up in the morning? rolleyes.gif
Tom C's Avatar Tom C 07:31 AM 12-13-2013
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I can't either.
Don't feel bad Tom. I can't either. My pb 12s only down to 18. But damn they are strong.

Thanks! I feel better. biggrin.gif

I have a single VTF-15H. My SMS-1 only displays down to 15Hz. I’m guessing that I’m good down to 12-13, maybe a tad bit lower.



Someday I’d like to get down to single digits, but with my financial situation and my “misunderstanding” wife, that day is a long way off. frown.gif
missyman's Avatar missyman 08:38 AM 12-13-2013
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Thanks! I feel better. biggrin.gif

I have a single VTF-15H. My SMS-1 only displays down to 15Hz. I’m guessing that I’m good down to 12-13, maybe a tad bit lower.



Someday I’d like to get down to single digits, but with my financial situation and my “misunderstanding” wife, that day is a long way off. frown.gif
i understand Tom. But for the first time ever i am satisfied with my low end. And i sure know what you're talking about with a misunderstanding wife. But i got mine to bend some on my pb12 nsd(s)!
Homebrew101's Avatar Homebrew101 10:43 AM 12-13-2013
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t for the first time ever i am satisfied with my low end

does this subwoofer make my butt look fat? biggrin.gif
Mongo171's Avatar Mongo171 10:58 AM 12-13-2013
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does this subwoofer make my butt look fat? biggrin.gif

I know my PC13-Ultra makes me look short. rolleyes.gif
bori's Avatar bori 11:24 AM 12-13-2013
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I know my PC13-Ultra makes me look short. rolleyes.gif

My Epik Conquest makes me look skinny!
popalock's Avatar popalock 01:18 PM 12-13-2013
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I know my PC13-Ultra makes me look short. rolleyes.gif

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My Epik Conquest makes me look skinny!

My subs make me look like a massive douchebag.
bori's Avatar bori 02:14 PM 12-13-2013
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My subs make me look like an massive douchebag.

Lol
SimonNo10's Avatar SimonNo10 02:17 PM 12-13-2013
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Yes have watched OHF a few times. Bought it after all the praise being given to it in this thread. It's got some of the best bass scenes of all time. Washington monument scene is 21 seconds of bass Nirvana. Can't remember other specific scenes but they are littered all the way through the film. Movie is also very good IMO.

My copy arrived yesterday. I watched the whole attack sequence including the monument scene and it didn't really impress me as much as say FOTP (the whole sand storm scene including barrel roll). Is this a movie that needs to be turned up more as the ULF didn't impress me as much. Here is a graph of my ARC calibration (Anthem D2v processor) for the subs (2x Seaton Submersives with HD+ amps):

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I'm buying a 2nd hand SVS ASEQ unit this weekend (I used to own one but sold it awhile ago) so it may improve things in the bass department and will experiment with sub positions but only one of the submersives can really be moved as one is in the back corner of the room with limited space and the other is at the front of the room in the opposite corner with plenty of room.
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nube's Avatar nube 02:24 PM 12-13-2013
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Yes have watched OHF a few times. Bought it after all the praise being given to it in this thread. It's got some of the best bass scenes of all time. Washington monument scene is 21 seconds of bass Nirvana. Can't remember other specific scenes but they are littered all the way through the film. Movie is also very good IMO.

My copy arrived yesterday. I watched the whole attack sequence including the monument scene and it didn't really impress me as much as say FOTP (the whole sand storm scene including barrel roll). Is this a movie that needs to be turned up more as the ULF didn't impress me as much. Here is a graph of my ARC calibration (Anthem D2v processor) for the subs (2x Seaton Submersives with HD+ amps):

Graph2.jpg 627k .jpg file

There is without a doubt something lacking bigtime in your system. ARC doesn't really show the subwoofer's frequency response very well at all, so that really doesn't tell us much.

However, the Washington Monument scene is epic. Here's a post I made comparing it to all the top scenes:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333462/the-new-master-list-of-bass-in-movies-with-frequency-charts/10590#post_23763918

It may be that you don't have any response below 20Hz, or not much below 30Hz, where most of the Washington Monument scene is located, although this is is unusual given the apparent response in your ARC graph. The FOTP barrel roll scene's hottest content (the part that makes everyone pee themselves) is @ 32Hz.

I think it's likely you have a system that can't play OHF's scene very well.
SimonNo10's Avatar SimonNo10 02:30 PM 12-13-2013
Thanks for the reply. Hmm I was under the impression that FOTF had content below 15hz. Everything else I've tested including TIH,WOTW,Tron Legacy all sound amazing in the bass department just not OHF with that scene. Weird. Maybe I just need to turn the volume up more than the others.
Toe's Avatar Toe 02:30 PM 12-13-2013
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My subs make me look like an massive douchebag.


Ha! I don't know about that, but your subs are the cause of my subs developing an inferiority complex! tongue.gif
nube's Avatar nube 02:32 PM 12-13-2013
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Thanks for the reply. Hmm I was under the impression that FOTF had content below 15hz. Everything else I've tested including TIH,WOTW,Tron Legacy all sound amazing in the bass department just not OHF with that scene. Weird. Maybe I just need to turn the volume up more than the others.

You definitely do not need to turn it up compared to the others. Overall, it's actually a significantly louder scene from 30Hz on down than any of the other scenes you mentioned, and has the loudest single short-term effect of all except for that FOTP barrel roll effect at 32Hz.

There's something specific to your system and setup that is making it sound weaker than the other scenes. It's likely the capabilities of your subs or your system's signal chain rolloff. What sized room?
xMEATx's Avatar xMEATx 02:47 PM 12-13-2013
Yeah, I have a single submersive and OHF is my new demo, hands down. I am in a semi open 2400 cubic room.
SimonNo10's Avatar SimonNo10 02:48 PM 12-13-2013
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You definitely do not need to turn it up compared to the others. Overall, it's actually a significantly louder scene from 30Hz on down than any of the other scenes you mentioned, and has the loudest single short-term effect of all except for that FOTP barrel roll effect at 32Hz.

There's something specific to your system and setup that is making it sound weaker than the other scenes. It's likely the capabilities of your subs or your system's signal chain rolloff. What sized room?

I would think that the Submersives with the new HD+ amps (upgraded from 1000w amps) would be able to deliver with most scenes, my room is approx 3.5m (W) x 5m (D), right side of room opens up to dining area which isn't big. I have 4 accoustic panels 2 on each wall both sides with ceiling diffusor panels on the ceiling and 2 diffusor panels on the rear wall behind the listening position. All installed by a company called Accoustic Vision here in Australia:

http://www.acousticvision.com.au/

But at the time of the purchases I didn't own 2 submersives only had one and since changed speakers from M&K's S-5000 to JTR's Triple 8's all round (rears are slanted 8's). Refer to my post in the Anthem section which has the rest of the graphs which may assist in understanding what may be happening:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/678260/anthem-d2-d2v-avm50-avm50v-arc1-tweaking-guide/42120

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rhed's Avatar rhed 02:57 PM 12-13-2013
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My subs make me look like an massive douchebag.


My subs make me feel retarded..
nube's Avatar nube 02:59 PM 12-13-2013
SimonNo10,

You should definitely have enough horsepower and a small enough space to demonstrate that scene quite effectively. Perhaps it's the ARC calibration? It's really hard to know what it's doing with those graphs - they're not very informative for the subs.

I suggest measuring with REW since it's cheap and effective and easy nowadays with inexpensive USB mics.
AJ72's Avatar AJ72 03:04 PM 12-13-2013
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My subs make me look like an massive douchebag.
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Lol

My neighbours think I'm an massive douchebag.
ambesolman's Avatar ambesolman 03:11 PM 12-13-2013
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My subs make me look like an massive douchebag.
And knowing is half the battle 👍
edlittle's Avatar edlittle 04:04 PM 12-13-2013
Nube, I think you should link to that OHF comparison post in your signature as well, just for posterity.
djbluemax1's Avatar djbluemax1 04:24 PM 12-13-2013
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You definitely do not need to turn it up compared to the others. Overall, it's actually a significantly louder scene from 30Hz on down than any of the other scenes you mentioned, and has the loudest single short-term effect of all except for that FOTP barrel roll effect at 32Hz.

There's something specific to your system and setup that is making it sound weaker than the other scenes. It's likely the capabilities of your subs or your system's signal chain rolloff. What sized room?

I would think that the Submersives with the new HD+ amps (upgraded from 1000w amps) would be able to deliver with most scenes, my room is approx 3.5m (W) x 5m (D), right side of room opens up to dining area which isn't big. I have 4 accoustic panels 2 on each wall both sides with ceiling diffusor panels on the ceiling and 2 diffusor panels on the rear wall behind the listening position. All installed by a company called Accoustic Vision here in Australia:

http://www.acousticvision.com.au/

But at the time of the purchases I didn't own 2 submersives only had one and since changed speakers from M&K's S-5000 to JTR's Triple 8's all round (rears are slanted 8's). Refer to my post in the Anthem section which has the rest of the graphs which may assist in understanding what may be happening:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/678260/anthem-d2-d2v-avm50-avm50v-arc1-tweaking-guide/42120

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With a pair of Submersives in that room (BTW, it's HP as in High Power, and HP+, not HD. HD is your TV wink.gif ) you should be able to enjoy the impact of the OHF scene. 2 things come to mind, you may be in a null in your room at the significant frequencies for the OHF scene, OR your signal chain may be doing something funky with the low end. Do you know if your SubM's have enough power to draw from the wall? If you have an older circuit, it might not be able to keep up with the demands on the OHF scene (one of the longest high bass volume scenes, which means it draws a lot of power). If you're getting line sag, it could limit the output of your subs.

In my older house, I ended up utting a LOT of equipment on their own circuits to reduce/eliminate line sag (dual Submersives in a HP+ master-slave config. 3x Emotiva XPA-1's across the front providing 1000wpc@4ohms for the L&R and 500 watts@8ohms for the CC. 500wpc@8ohms for the surrounds. + Plasma TV, Onkyo 5008 avr, BDP, etc.). With the Onkyo and 1 Emotiva plugged into the same circuit, playing Transformers 3 and Tron:Legacy at Reference caused the circuit's voltage to sag to 99V! (I used a Watts Up! Pro meter to measure the maximum current draw, and one single XPA-1 on its own circuit hit 1887 watts on Tron:Legacy at Reference). With everything on independent circuits, I don't have that problem now.


Max
maxmercy's Avatar maxmercy 04:55 PM 12-13-2013
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My subs make me look like an massive douchebag.

I actually laughed out loud reading this. I see a new sig in the works.

JSS
rhed's Avatar rhed 11:34 PM 12-13-2013
Watched Oblivion tonight. Damn... friggin quad S2's is just violent!! Literally everything the whole house shakes and rattles. My HT is on the second floor. And I think it'll come down!eek.gif
carp's Avatar carp 11:40 PM 12-13-2013
Maybe I knew this already and forgot...

but good lord man, I didn't realize you had these subs on a friggin suspended floor!! IMO a single Cap S2 on a suspended floor would subjectively outgun 4 of them on concrete. Jeezo peeeeezo.... eek.gif

There is no way that you will ever crave more. If you do there is no help for the rest of us.
rhed's Avatar rhed 11:47 PM 12-13-2013
Carp.. I'm beginning to worry about the weight of my whole HT equipment + the vibrations and slams from the subs after time. I mean the subs alone are 800lbs total. And there's no partion walls or shear walls underneath cause the HT room is over the garage. But, when we built this house we used TGI joist and 1-1/8 panel sheathing for the floor. I think I'm confident... Plus, I'm running the subs 3 hot with a house curve..
rhed's Avatar rhed 11:52 PM 12-13-2013
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Maybe I knew this already and forgot...

but good lord man, I didn't realize you had these subs on a friggin suspended floor!! IMO a single Cap S2 on a suspended floor would subjectively outgun 4 of them on concrete. Jeezo peeeeezo.... eek.gif

There is no way that you will ever crave more. If you do there is no help for the rest of us.



Umm.. I did not know about the suspended vs concrete floor thing. If I knew that i would have just gone with a single OS or something..lol
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