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+6dB, I believe. I don't know why you ask... you'll run it hotter either way... biggrin.gifcool.gif


Ahhh but now I now to run it 6 db's hotter than normal! biggrin.gif
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Just like a track that does not have much below 30hz feels incomplete (although to a greater degree of course if it's filtered), Elysium to me had a similar quality (again, not as extreme as a FAT track since there was obviously still a decent amount of mid bass) but for the opposite reason. My favorite bass tracks are very strong at both. Elysium is not real life by the way! tongue.gif

Of course it is not real life, I meant an audio experience where ULF occurs without the very loud midbass.
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Of course it is not real life, I meant an audio experience where ULF occurs without the very loud midbass.


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Well, of late there have been lots of midbass, no ULF, lots of midbass, some ULF, and this has lots of ULF, some midbass. It is nice for a change. If it had lots of both it would be 5 star.
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Imho i feel more midbass when a 25 or 155 goes off lol.

I thought the bass was good in elysium but obliviob had a more enveloping track

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

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Well, of late there have been lots of midbass, no ULF, lots of midbass, some ULF, and this has lots of ULF, some midbass. It is nice for a change. If it had lots of both it would be 5 star.


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Oh, yeah, IMHO unless one has subs for the bottom end of a speaker all speakers should be small. It is better to let your speakers not be over driven trying to play loud 20hz levels or lower when the subs are much better doing so.

Nice that's great to hear. Super pumped to watch it. I may just buy it.

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That is because we are so used to midbass and not ULF. In real life there are many moments where ULF only occurs. Elysium was a breath of fresh air.

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Man, I'm gonna hafta kick the butts of the guys who said to run it hot. eek.gifbiggrin.gifmad.gif

So, I did just that and Elysium blew me away!

Flageborg, thanks for the graphs. cool.gif

Here's your Chapter 7 and my subs running hot, mic'd at the LP:



Raptors are Gangnamstyle. biggrin.gif

Chapter 7 cap by itself:



Elysium has a dozen full BW transients to as low as you can play. Lots and lots of awesome LFE, ULF and NO FILTER!!!

So far, I think this soundtrack rivals the best of them. Certainly it's my favorite this year, hands down. Plenty of the good stuff for every sub, lots of variety and just plain lots.

FWIW, IMO, it's a must have for the collection.

Enjoy.

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No way, not in my opinion. Elysium was a great track overall, but I had a few complaints. 1) While the low end was clearly unfiltered and hitting that great ULF, the mid type bass (~30-50hz) range felt a bit lacking a lot of the time IMO. A fellow forum member said it best that I was just talking to via PM about a few tracks we have listened to in the past few days who runs an S2 as he thought it was weighted a bit TOO much toward the ULF region which was my impression as well. Just like a FAT track feels incomplete due to missing the ULF, Elysium felt lacking to some degree since the mid type bass was lacking to a point in accordance with the on-screen action. The true 5 star tracks cover the entire spectrum well like TIH and so on. Just my opinion and some will disagree which is of course fine.

2) My other issue which is related to my first complaint is weapons/gun audio effects were noticeably limp/weak a lot of the time and did not come across with the weight and conviction they should have.

Otherwise, I thought the track was very good overall with excellent surround usage and so forth. I did notice the overall volume was noticeably low in comparison to most blu rays, but that is certainly not a complaint (if anything it is probably a good sign) as it just needed to be turned up a bit more than most. Because of the two points above though, Oblivion in particular is without question IMO an overall better audio track and still probably my favorite all around this year.

As for the movie? It was OK, but nothing I feel the need to own. I say rent first and decide.

Edit: I thought the PQ was fantastic FWIW on Elysium on my calibrated RS45 and 9' screen!

I love having the full spectrum there but I would take 30 Hz and above over just ULF anyday. It does make it more realistic and complete feeling when ULF is there but I will always say that it supports the main 30hz and above stuff.
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True. But we both know what I posted was a generalization as opposed to getting off in the weeds about a 12dB or 24dB slope. That's where REW and miniDSP comes in as one brings tighter focus on the subject matter.

Do you have a mini DSP? or are you up and running proficient with REW?
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I love having the full spectrum there but I would take 30 Hz and above over just ULF anyday. It does make it more realistic and complete feeling when ULF is there but I will always say that it supports the main 30hz and above stuff.


I feel the exact same way. smile.gif

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Do you have a mini DSP? or are you up and running proficient with REW?

I mention the miniDSP as it allows one to blend the crossovers better. We have an Anti-Mode 8033S II unit and Audyssey XT. I have REW up and running but in this case, haven't taken the time to pull out the gear and measure output. I level matched the subs, ran Anti-Mode, Audyssey and have jacked the AVR's subwoofer levels up +6dB over what Audyssey/AVR set the levels at to allow for break-in. After approximately forty plus hours of play, I'll recheck everything, run the EQ programs and then do some REW measuring so I can see what's up with what. Agreed, if not taking measurements, anybody will be running blind after EQ'g the system.

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Elysium isn't just the ELF (extremely low frequencies, which is the proper term, supposedly). With regard to folks who have said they found Elysium lacking, I really think it's because they prefer LOUD 30-50Hz content. That's fine, as I don't care what you like, but let's call a spade a spade: it's not as if Elysium is lacking from 30-50Hz, not at all. It's just that the mixers and sound designers shifted the focus into the lower registers, so the highest level peaks are from 22Hz on down, not 30Hz on up, though there is still tons of very high level content from 32-80Hz.

If you like the 30-50+Hz content louder than everything else, count yourself lucky - you're exactly the crowd that commercial theaters are made for. There's a reason why those frequencies are pronounced in most mixes: that range is easy to design, and easily reproduced by nearly all subs, from the HTIB subs up to the top shelf DIY stuff.

You have it good if 30-50Hz is your go-to range - it's cheap and easy to reproduce. Congrats! You're not hard to please! smile.gif
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Elysium isn't just the ELF (extremely low frequencies, which is the proper term, supposedly). With regard to folks who have said they found Elysium lacking, I really think it's because they prefer LOUD 30-50Hz content. That's fine, as I don't care what you like, but let's call a spade a spade: it's not as if Elysium is lacking from 30-50Hz, not at all. It's just that the mixers and sound designers shifted the focus into the lower registers, so the highest level peaks are from 22Hz on down, not 30Hz on up, though there is still tons of very high level content from 32-80Hz.

If you like the 30-50+Hz content louder than everything else, count yourself lucky - you're exactly the crowd that commercial theaters are made for. There's a reason why those frequencies are pronounced in most mixes: that range is easy to design, and easily reproduced by nearly all subs, from the HTIB subs up to the top shelf DIY stuff.

You have it good if 30-50Hz is your go-to range - it's cheap and easy to reproduce. Congrats! You're not hard to please! smile.gif



I don't think it is quite that cut and dry, but I generally agree with you. I just like good balance and as you say "the mixers and sound designers shifted the focus into the lower regions" which came through loud and clear on my end. I personally believe if there is going to be one area of focus between the two, it should be the 30-50hz or 20-50hz with the ELF backing that up not the other way around which is what Elysium did. Just personal preference though and I respect that you and some others enjoy this type of sound design more than a mid bass type focus.

TIH to me is still the ultimate standard. Whatever that bass track is doing, I want more of! cool.gif

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Wow!

Thanks guys for mentioning "Dead in Tombstone".

Did not expect so much bass with that movie. You guys were right!
I liked the movie just because there was lots of ULF.

Thanks for mentioning this one!

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I mention the miniDSP as it allows one to blend the crossovers better. We have an Anti-Mode 8033S II unit and Audyssey XT. I have REW up and running but in this case, haven't taken the time to pull out the gear and measure output. I level matched the subs, ran Anti-Mode, Audyssey and have jacked the AVR's subwoofer levels up +6dB over what Audyssey/AVR set the levels at to allow for break-in. After approximately forty plus hours of play, I'll recheck everything, run the EQ programs and then do some REW measuring so I can see what's up with what. Agreed, if not taking measurements, anybody will be running blind after EQ'g the system.

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Yes. Not as sophisticated as the miniDSP but it does blend well with Audyssey XT and dummies like me only have to, with superior displays of motor coordination, simultaneously push two buttons, step back without tripping over any forgotten cables and let Anti-Mode do it's magic.
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Oblivion has its effects centered at 30 Hz and filtered at around 15 Hz.

Elysium has its effects centered at 20 Hz and not filtered.

I prefer both to the likes of Battleship, Avengers and other recent big-budget duds, and have said so in the postings for both, but, as MKT said, other than these 2 and Oz, there has been a long spate of grossly filtered soundtracks.

For those who prefer that sort of thing, a 10" sealed commercial sub is overkill, or why have a sub at all? There are plenty of mains that can handle 30 Hz. It sounds cheesy to me (because it is), like watching WOTW with a 30 Hz HPF on the subs. Try WOTW both ways and get back to us. wink.gif

The director for Elysium, Neill Blomkamp, said the soundtrack went the smoothest and was the least stressful phase of the movie process. a free candy cane for anyone who watches the special features and spots the subs being used.

Dave Whitehead designed the LFE and also did the same for District 9 and LOTR ROTK. Nice work, David.

Sound re-recording was done by the duet of Craig Berkey who did sound design for X-Men 1st Class and Christopher Scarabosio, who has a mile-long resume. Some of his stuff is great (designed the effects and mixed Hanna and worked as sound editor on Tron) and some not-so-great (sound design: Battleship, although, to be fair, no way to know if the 40 Hz filter was applied after the design work was done). Scarabosio co-mixed the new Thor flick, so here's hoping.

This is a movie I'll watch more than once and contains several demo-worthy scenes. Here are a few from Chapters 3, 7, 13 and 16:






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It was a cute, nothing, flix that had no bass.

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I will be watching Elysium tonight, currently my sub is calibrated at +3dB over my speakers, should I increase it to +6dB for this movie? I have an HSU 15H.

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Bosso,

What about DiT and Frankensteins Army? Neither of these were filtered either IIRC. I know not everyone liked the assault of bass on these, but we can add both to the recent unfiltered list I believe.

On a side note, just got out of Hobbit 2 DoS which has a TON of LFE potential. Of course I am fully expecting to be disappointed going off how part one turned out, but it would be such a nice surprise to have a turn of events and actually get great low end support when this hits blu. I could not get any feel really in the theater I watched this in as the bass support was anemic in general.

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