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post #12781 of 17354 Old 12-27-2013, 02:52 PM
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I tried house curves like the above example but found the sound to be boomy as the acoustics of our listening room did not like the curve. And if one were to say: "screw the room, how did you like it?" I'm ambivalent as yes the bass was great but after awhile, like too much chocolate cake, became overwhelming.
Running curves like these won't make the sub sound boomy, unless it already was and you just did not notice it as much at lower levels. If you sub sounds boomy, you need to address your room treatments, sub placement and finally your room correction software.
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There's a big difference between running a house curve and running the subs waaaaay hot. cool.gif



The house curve is actually within a +/- 3dB spec, so, not a house curve. The rest is running the sub hot.

The graph below shows a typical 70 Hz cross with the red dashed lines representing a flat calibration and a +17dB hot SW calibration:



If a house curve is the subject, calibrate the subs flat (plus house curve) and post a max output curve with the mains on. That will show the actual house curve during playback. wink.gif

It's unlikely with the systems/rooms mentioned here that the mains will see 111dB peaks (L+R, as the sweep was measured) at reference level and the subs will peak north of 140dB <10 Hz, regardless of how many of what drivers in what space.
I want the bass to come on smothly. Running a sub 10-15db's hot means that you get a jump in the FR at the cross-over point of the sub. One of the reasons why I won't run the subs hot, but adjust the house curve to have a bigger difference from 100hz to 20hz. I rairly watch a movie @ reference in regards to the mains, but I do want to hear the bass @ reference, if that makes sense.

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Just incase u guys are interested Walmart has some of the 5 star and 4.5 star movies on sale online under $5 for local pickup or shipped.


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So I guess I can assume that no-one has graphed this movie yet? I'm sure it's not 5 star but it's up there for sure. Anyone?


Not that I know of. I am curious to see both this and PE run through the paces at data-bass at some point hopefully. Neither are WotW or TIH level of course, but both bass tracks support the films VERY well and there is certainly nothing to complain about from an execution standpoint IMO.

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So I guess I can assume that no-one has graphed this movie yet? I'm sure it's not 5 star but it's up there for sure. Anyone?

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Got a few for A Christmas Carol as well. The LFE is rather cool in this one, so there's not a lot to see.


Chair drag:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...falls/ACC1.jpg


Drunken room, just after the Christmas tree collapse:

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A Christmas Carol has its moments in bass though not many scenes (the speclab caps here)

Interestingly I noticed a brief moment of ultra low bass at the snow field hovering scene (00:32:38 ):

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So what is the general consensus on Percy Jackson: Sea of Monsters? I watched the DVD last night and it seemed to have some pretty good LFE but didn't seem to go as low as the first one. I have a PB-13 Ultra FWIW.

I have both on BD and imo the 1st PJ blows the 2nd away!!
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+1. We watched this on Christmas and what a great audio track. Noticed Randy Thom in the credits which I had never noticed before. The 3d in this title is absolutely incredible as well! Those moments where it literally feels and looks like it is snowing in your room are insane! Great HT ride all around! cool.gif
I couldn't agree more! We watched it as well Christmas nite. Awesome ride it was! Audio and video. 3D is fantastic.
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Thanks Bunga for the post with the graph and info!

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Wow. Sooo yeah, I've got twelve 18's running now. Watched some clips from Transformers 1. Wow! So awesome sounding.

Caught quite a transient during the end that I don't remember with my LLT's. It's after Megatron arrives in the city. He was coming out of an alleyway of sorts and blows away who I think was Jazz. I haven't watched the movie in a couple years, I forget. But anyway. Sure caught my attention!

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At this point, any disks we purchase on Amazon, even though used, are Blu-ray.
 

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Thanks for your reply.

 

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I watched Elysium last night. The soundtrack been put together very well and although besides being on the low side i couldn't help but feel that i was listening to a well recorded music CD with 8 channels. This is something i've also found to the case with other Sony Blu Ray releases too. Ultimately pleasant and nice. Come on Sony with Elysium and some of your other releases you've gone some way to offer Super Bit Mapping V which i appreciate. However Elysium is an action movie so please go the extra mile and also add some power and punch to liven up the soundtrack so as to give a cinematic feel of an action movie.

 

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Interesting review. As you point out, the bass track draws the viewer, deep into the action of the movie.
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I watched Elysium a couple of days ago...

 

Now that is how ULF is done! :cool: I'd have to say that subjectively has to be one of the top ULF movies in regards to sheer quantity. Every scene where you'd expect to experience ULF was there in spades! This adds a certain realism to the movie that just doesn't exist with filtered movies. Period. This movie is a great example of that. I had a huge smile on my face every time it happened.

 

After watching, I went upstairs and bought it. Great addition to the ULF library.

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Now that is how ULF is done! cool.gif  I'd have to say that subjectively has to be one of the top ULF movies in regards to sheer quantity.

You make an interesting point dominguez1. Allow me to ask, Rick27, what subwoofers are you using? The reason I ask, if they're not capable subwoofers, much of what's tracked, won't be reproduced and will give a skewed opinion, accordingly. Our system is good to 10/12Hz. Others here are good to <4Hz. And if you can't play the infrasonic, much of what is tracked is going be missed out on in the form of room rumble or tactile sensation, chair/floor vibration.

Just saying, as robust as our system is, the subwoofer system, in my opinion, barely qualifies as adequate.

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I watched Elysium a couple of days ago...

Now that is how ULF is done! cool.gif I'd have to say that subjectively has to be one of the top ULF movies in regards to sheer quantity. Every scene where you'd expect to experience ULF was there in spades!

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I really liked the way the bass was used here. That being said, I do wish they had added a couple of extra DB's on a few of those scenes.
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I watched Elysium last night. The soundtrack been put together very well and although besides being on the low side i couldn't help but feel that i was listening to a well recorded music CD with 8 channels. This is something i've also found to the case with other Sony Blu Ray releases too. Ultimately pleasant and nice. Come on Sony with Elysium and some of your other releases you've gone some way to offer Super Bit Mapping V which i appreciate. However Elysium is an action movie so please go the extra mile and also add some power and punch to liven up the soundtrack so as to give a cinematic feel of an action movie.

Thanks

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I had to ad +3db to the sub trim to get the tactile feel. Over all the soundtrack was good. I watched at -15db. With my Klipsch speakers (I haven't rerun the EzSetEq from when I had my little SuperZeros) so -15db is like -5db with the SZs.

Anyway, the sound and picture were very good. Bass was there in spades and well done. Kind of like Oblivion.

As far a soundtracks go, we watched the two insidious movies on Thursday. I much preferred the overall soundtracks of these two movies even though they aren't "bass" movies. The sound was used very effectively.

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One very cool movie: Universal Soldier Day of Reckoning. While the plot made no sense to me whatsoever, the fight scenes were some of the best I've ever seen. Some pretty good bass too. Forget the plot and just enjoy the ride.

This is decent action flick - really gritty and brutal -
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Have a few pints and enjoy it for what it is
Sound/video is excellent - nice punchy / dynamic track
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Just incase u guys are interested Walmart has some of the 5 star and 4.5 star movies on sale online under $5 for local pickup or shipped.


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I watched Elysium last night and was actually kind of disappointed in the bass department. Maybe my subs don't go low enough to really enjoy ulf (although they hit 19hz with aplomb) - but I enjoyed Oblivion WAY more then Elysium in the sound department; as a matter of fact, I re-watched Star Trek into Darkness tonight and found the bass destroyed the bass on Elysium. I'm running dual PC12's with the bass about 2db hot. Funny that.

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Just finished watching Man of Steel............what a fricken bass dud! AND, what a missed opportunity for a stellar soundtrack to accompany all that building smashing in the end. This could have been right up there with TIH if someone capable was at the helm.

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^ yes to have a master scorer paired with a mixing moron was a tragedy indeed
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I will be interested to see if Elysium is a dud for me with my dual Caps which roll off sharply about 17Hz. That said my favourite scenes would be, Percy Jackson LT: Fire Breathing Hydra's, Tron Legacy: Flying ship landing just after Sam Lasered, FOTP Plane scene too name a few. I suspect all these scenes above 20HZ but I also get a lot of enjoyment with most of the OHF content, TIH content, WOTW although the first alien foot stomp in this movie rates better for me than pod emergence just before it. Enjoying a beautiful glass of Provence Rose (French) whilst writing this hoping everybody having a holiday too!

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Just picked up Elysium and The Pacific today both in BD. I'm gonna watch Elysium tomorrow. And just run the subs hot at 4 with a small house curve. Wanna see what the quad S2's can do with this flick. The Pacific? Looks like this will be the New Year's Day flick. All day since it's over 8 hrs long. I was told in this thread that the bass in this movie is insane..
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^ yes to have a master scorer paired with a mixing moron was a tragedy indeed

I think you mean the sound designer? not the rerecording mixer?

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

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Just saying, "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow" had decent bass but it was the absolute worst movie in recent cinematic history. If you don't want your mind haunted by bad action and a terrible acting, plot and premise, do yourself a favor and avoid this mind pollution.

(after the movie I wanted to stab my brain with forks to put me out of my pain)

The only ones who are safe to watch this movies will be anybody under the age of eight as they won't know any better.

I realize this thread is a thread about good bass but movies like "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow" should come with warnings:

"Good bass, absolutely terrible movie premise"
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Just saying, "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow" had decent bass but it was the absolute worst movie in recent cinematic history. If you don't want your mind haunted by bad action and a terrible acting, plot and premise, do yourself a favor and avoid this mind pollution.

(after the movie I wanted to stab my brain with forks to put me out of my pain)

The only ones who are safe to watch this movies will be anybody under the age of eight as they won't know any better.

I realize this thread is a thread about good bass but movies like "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow" should come with warnings:

"Good bass, absolutely terrible movie premise"

I thought The Lone Ranger was horrible.
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Thanks. I purchased "Sky Captain" off the bass list and had no idea. My wife and I did have something to talk about after the movie. Is the "Lone Ranger" the same type of movie? Good bass, terrible movie?

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Spun Dead in Tombstone last night..............great picture and a ton of great bass. Also watched Hotel Transylvania in 3D.......3D was so-so but the soundtrack didn't match the visuals.....good opportunity missed imho.....not just for bass but the entire sound design could have been great.

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"Dead in Tombstone" At the right used price on Amazon, I may add this one to the cart.
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I watched Dark City on blu ray last night ( I think I remember reading they amped up the bass/surrounds for the blu mix compared to the dvd mix when they released this?) and I had forgot how insane the bass was in that ~10 minutes of the big final battle toward the end! eek.gif Not the deepest or most artistic use of bass (but very effective in light of the scene), but the pure power and duration shocked me! I would be curious to see this track graphed at db or at least this ~10 minutes toward the end. I quite literally felt blown away! tongue.gif

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