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Reading about JapanDaves theater makes me want to pack up my toys and go home.

Color me impressed!!

Yeah, but that would be like comparing a super yacht to your bass boat or your living room to the living room of the super rich......not realistic.

And yes, I would love to have a super "living room" Home Theater system as in our case, a living room system will get more use and my wife and I will share more time together.

(currently setting up our Denon 4520ci as I deal with allergies.......ohhhhhh)

(the blu-ray player gives off sound but the television is quiet)

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And then the allergies kicked in so I'm vacillating between the computer and the recliner.....I knew it.

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I am thinking that someone could use one with each front speaker (L/C/R). It looks like these have high level inputs so you could run the speaker wire from the AVR for each front channel to a mid bass module and then from the MBM to each front speaker. Is there a down side to doing this?

It seems this would simplify the integration with the rest of the system as you would really just be adding a 12 inch powerd driver to each front channel and not having to split your LFE signal or worry about phase or distance (if they are right next to the LCR speakers). Would this work or am I totally off with my thinking? I could add three of these for the cost of one JTR 228 L/C/R (which I know have other obvious advantages over my front three speakers)

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You could do this, the downside is that your main speakers would have to share the same low frequency cut off as the MBM. In other words to maximize the benefit of the MBM let's say its range is 50hz to 150hz, now your Mains will also have to play down to 50hz which they might have issue with and either bottom out or distort. So you'd get the added midbass contribution-win, but now your Mains could take a hit-loss. Just depends on the scenario.
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"You'll hear better separation of sounds and instruments, with less low-level masking."

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The Regal Continental near Hampden and I-25 has Dolby ATMOS in their large theater room. Not all movies are encoded for ATMOS, so you have look at the movie listings carefully. My wife and I saw Gravity there and it sounded very good to me. The IMAX near I-25 and Colorado is also very good.

Thanks Raffin! smile.gif I live just a few miles from the IMAX near I-25 and Colorado and have seen maybe a handful of movies there over the years which my comments were partly based on.

I have not experienced ATMOS though and will definitely check out the Hampden and I-25 theater which is also right near me. Thanks for the recs!

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There is a 9 channel bed (7.1 plus two overhead arrays.).

Up to 62 discrete outputs from the processor.

(For example out two ATMOS stages are 54 channel setups).

Add 118 objects to the bed.


Thanks FM. I am going to check out an ATMOS presentation next time I make it out to the movies at the theater recommended to me above.

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Do you ever think of me when your layin it down?
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FilmMixer,

Do you ever think of me when your layin it down?

I would sneak in stuff if that were my job. Then I would probably get fired .... wow that fantasy didn't last long.
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Boy did I start a big fire or what!

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FilmMixer,

Do you ever think of me when your layin it down?

The pipe? I hope not!😜
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FilmMixer,

Do you ever think of me when your layin it down?

W.T.H ??? That sentence must have not been worded correctly ??confused.gif

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Boy did I start a big fire or what!

It's all good , but more like an inferno !!!!biggrin.gif

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Lol Lol lol Popalock awful vulnerable with that post of yours.
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FilmMixer,

Do you ever think of me when your layin it down?

Umm…. Interesting. I know this can't mean what it sounds like it means. 


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FilmMixer,

Do you ever think of me when your layin it down?


I'm not sure what's going on in this thread but I'm going to just slowly back out of here. No one move!

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Do you ever think of me when your layin it down?


Maybe he meant that as a PM........ ;) 

 

Messin' with ya pop. :D

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I'm not sure what's going on in this thread but I'm going to just slowly back out of here. No one move!

LOL

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Still chuckling.

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I'm not sure what's going on in this thread but I'm going to just slowly back out of here. No one move!

LOL. That's funny.


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FilmMixer,

Do you ever think of me when your layin it down?
Could this be our first official Bass thread bromance? lol
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Uh oh. This just went naval.
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Laying down a track?

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

Must..stop...buying...every bluray release...
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Dave...

You've always taken the position that us mixers, the creators of said data on the disc, are all in the way of getting you what think you deserve.

You constantly act like our entire industry is a bunch of incompetents, who don't know how to build rooms, don't understand acoustics, etc... and are constantly getting in our own way.

In the end, without us, and our subjective input, our "flawed" hearing, our interaction with directors and our talent, there would be no reason to even have these threads.

Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but IMO, you've so far off base I've nothing to add.

Marc,

You have to remember that you are on a thread where some folks believe that adding more ULF makes you a more "competent" mixer.confused.gif

Odd eh lol

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

Must..stop...buying...every bluray release...
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What contributes to the mid bass punch? Subwoofer of speaker?
Example:
12" subwoofer + speaker with 12" drivers. XO at 80Hz.
vs
15" subwoofer + speaker with 6" drivers. XO at 100Hz.
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Marc,

You have to remember that you are on a thread where some folks believe that adding more ULF makes you a more "competent" mixer.confused.gif

Odd eh lol

lol, odd indeed...


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Laying down a track?

uh huh!

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FilmMixer,

Do you ever think of me when your layin it down?

FM has said he personally didn't add a highpass on Riddick, so if the sound designers added some ULF to some effects, he didn't take it out. He may not know it is there during the process due to monitoring capabilities, though.

Some sound designers have to be aware of the ULF that is there, though, and FM has alluded to that in the past.

I am all for full bandwidth, highly dynamic soundtracks, especially when they add so much to a great film.

JSS
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lol, odd indeed...



HTTYD..........one of my most favourite movies and soundtrack.

ULF and above bass is awesome in it...but the soundfield is just PHENOMENAL!.....It is how every mixer should be making a movie!. It's the whole package really!.
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Bossobass....Congratulations, what you essentially just described is the THX standard / philosophy. I'm with FilmMixer on this one - Even without THX certification, the mixers are trying to achieve a reference standard of how the film should sound to achieve THE DIRECTOR'S vision, plain and simple. Video imaging is manipulated all the time to achieve the director's vision, so why not audio? Do you complain about how "green" The Matrix movie looks? How much shadow and gloom Peter Jackson added to scenes in the Lord of the Rings movies? If you do, you're not getting the point.

To Nube's point, there are certainly differences in talent and experience doing anything in life, just not mixing films. But in the end, the final product is what the customer (i.e. the director, movie studio, producers, etc.) want out of their final product.

As long as you have the hardware to see it as it was encoded on the disc, the picture manipulation is what it is subjective and not relevant to the point brought up by FM., that every audiophile should strive to hear what he heard on his sound stage.

Again, how does one know what the mixers heard? I said the answer to that Q is to have a wide BW, flat response with headroom above reference level. Do you have an alternative solution?



JapanDave's system does not have a flat FR, but seems to have the rest of that covered.

Noynyt's system does not have a flat FR, but seems to have the rest of that covered.

Popalock's system does not have a flat FR, but seems to have the rest of that covered.

MKT's system does not have a flat FR, but seems to have the rest of that covered.


Who made up the requirement that a flat FR is the desired FR target anyhow?
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Who made up the requirement that a flat FR is the desired FR target anyhow?

If one isn't flat, they're definitely not hearing what the mixer is hearing.

With that in mind, there's no law stating you can't run your subs hot.

Flat is good as it fixes all the holes one might have in their room measurements. From there, it's a "read" option.
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Who made up the requirement that a flat FR is the desired FR target anyhow?

If one isn't flat, they're definitely not hearing what the mixer is hearing.

With that in mind, there's no law stating you can't run your subs hot.

Flat is good as it fixes all the holes one might have in their room measurements. From there, it's a "read" option.



Show us the FR of your system 10 Hz to 20 kHz.

Just wondering if a "flat reference" is your "preference"!
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