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I know its not protocol and somebody may ban me from this thread after I confess that..... I had to actually turn the bass down whilst watching Underworld Awakenings last night! But wait it was at the request of my wife who HATES bass as she was watching also. I did notice before the bass reduction was performed that it was a pretty hot sounding mix and awesome bass. Will have to revisit this one when I'm watching alone. I put on Iron Man just after it but although the bass track isn't bad I find the audio terrible on this movie. Everything sounds muffled to me and it lacks clarity. If Oblivion is the benchmark then Iron Man is at the other end of the scale IMO.

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I know its not protocol and somebody may ban me from this thread after I confess that..... I had to actually turn the bass down whilst watching Underworld Awakenings last night!.





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I put on Iron Man just after it but although the bass track isn't bad I find the audio terrible on this movie. Everything sounds muffled to me and it lacks clarity. If Oblivion is the benchmark then Iron Man is at the other end of the scale IMO.

 

I'm glad you posted that about Iron Man. I noticed the exact same thing and was beginning to worry about my center channel. Someone must have been stoned while holding the boom mic for that movie. Oblivion on the other hand… crystal clear and exhilarating detail. 

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I know its not protocol and somebody may ban me from this thread after I confess that..... I had to actually turn the bass down whilst watching Underworld Awakenings last night! But wait it was at the request of my wife who HATES bass as she was watching also. I did notice before the bass reduction was performed that it was a pretty hot sounding mix and awesome bass. Will have to revisit this one when I'm watching alone. I put on Iron Man just after it but although the bass track isn't bad I find the audio terrible on this movie. Everything sounds muffled to me and it lacks clarity. If Oblivion is the benchmark then Iron Man is at the other end of the scale IMO.

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Just watched the new Riddick, curious to see what everyone thinks. I thought it was a great movie with excellent range. Some nice bass, not over the top but had some moments in my opinion. Only time I can stand Vin lol.

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It wasn't terrible. But you can definitly tell it's an older movie. I just don't like the sound of older movies that's all.

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Iron Man 1?

Yes Iron Man one. I find the sound stage very closed in almost claustrophobic on this film, imaging not great. I have to boost the centre channel at least double what I normally have it (blu ray copy BTW). If Iron Man is claustrophobic Oblivion is like being immersed in an open 3D audio world where detail, depth and precision is present in spades. Its like you can never play Oblivion too loud as it sounds so pure.

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I know its not protocol and somebody may ban me from this thread after I confess that..... I had to actually turn the bass down whilst watching Underworld Awakenings last night! But wait it was at the request of my wife who HATES bass as she was watching also. I did notice before the bass reduction was performed that it was a pretty hot sounding mix and awesome bass. Will have to revisit this one when I'm watching alone. I put on Iron Man just after it but although the bass track isn't bad I find the audio terrible on this movie. Everything sounds muffled to me and it lacks clarity. If Oblivion is the benchmark then Iron Man is at the other end of the scale IMO.

 

Are you aware that Iron Man is one of the few TrueHD discs which automatically engages Night Mode in certain Onkyo units (and possibly others too)?  Night Mode totally neuters the soundtrack.  To switch it off (on an Onk anyway) you have to hit the Home button on the remote, select Audio and then scroll  through to Night Mode, which you will see is set to Auto (in which case the flag on Iron Man's BD disc turns the darn thing on). Set it to off and then have another listen.

 

The bad news is that the unit defaults to Auto on power-up, so any disc that has the flag set will engage Night Mode. The good news is that there are very few discs where the makers were stupid enough to set the flag. I even suspect it was a mistake.

 

Anyway, check to see if it's the case with you. IME Iron Man has an excellent soundtrack.

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Will check this out! I mean its so bad I kind of wondered if something was wrong as a few other people say that Iron man is their go to disk for demo material. Will report back the findings.

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Wonder if that is the same with the scenes from the ultimate bass demo disc

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Will check this out! I mean its so bad I kind of wondered if something was wrong as a few other people say that Iron man is their go to disk for demo material. Will report back the findings.

Okay so its not anything to do with a night setting for me and its not the worst sounding movie but on my system it doesn't do it for me. The bass however is pretty good.

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Will check this out! I mean its so bad I kind of wondered if something was wrong as a few other people say that Iron man is their go to disk for demo material. Will report back the findings.

Okay so its not anything to do with a night setting for me and its not the worst sounding movie but on my system it doesn't do it for me. The bass however is pretty good.

 

That's odd then, if it isn't Night Mode enabled. There isn’t any way that the sound I hear on Iron Man could be described as 'muffled' or 'lacking in clarity'. 

 

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I know its not protocol and somebody may ban me from this thread after I confess that..... I had to actually turn the bass down whilst watching Underworld Awakenings last night! But wait it was at the request of my wife who HATES bass as she was watching also. I did notice before the bass reduction was performed that it was a pretty hot sounding mix and awesome bass. Will have to revisit this one when I'm watching alone. I put on Iron Man just after it but although the bass track isn't bad I find the audio terrible on this movie. Everything sounds muffled to me and it lacks clarity. If Oblivion is the benchmark then Iron Man is at the other end of the scale IMO.

Are you aware that Iron Man is one of the few TrueHD discs which automatically engages Night Mode in certain Onkyo units (and possibly others too)?  Night Mode totally neuters the soundtrack.  To switch it off (on an Onk anyway) you have to hit the Home button on the remote, select Audio and then scroll  through to Night Mode, which you will see is set to Auto (in which case the flag on Iron Man's BD disc turns the darn thing on). Set it to off and then have another listen.

The bad news is that the unit defaults to Auto on power-up, so any disc that has the flag set will engage Night Mode. The good news is that there are very few discs where the makers were stupid enough to set the flag. I even suspect it was a mistake.

Anyway, check to see if it's the case with you. IME Iron Man has an excellent soundtrack.

Same problem with me the first time I watched it with my Denon 3808ci. Fortunately for me it stay's off so I don't have to mess with it every time I turn on my receiver. I agree, Iron Man does have an excellent soundtrack.
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I know its not protocol and somebody may ban me from this thread after I confess that..... I had to actually turn the bass down whilst watching Underworld Awakenings last night! But wait it was at the request of my wife who HATES bass as she was watching also. I did notice before the bass reduction was performed that it was a pretty hot sounding mix and awesome bass. Will have to revisit this one when I'm watching alone. I put on Iron Man just after it but although the bass track isn't bad I find the audio terrible on this movie. Everything sounds muffled to me and it lacks clarity. If Oblivion is the benchmark then Iron Man is at the other end of the scale IMO.

Are you aware that Iron Man is one of the few TrueHD discs which automatically engages Night Mode in certain Onkyo units (and possibly others too)?  Night Mode totally neuters the soundtrack.  To switch it off (on an Onk anyway) you have to hit the Home button on the remote, select Audio and then scroll  through to Night Mode, which you will see is set to Auto (in which case the flag on Iron Man's BD disc turns the darn thing on). Set it to off and then have another listen.

The bad news is that the unit defaults to Auto on power-up, so any disc that has the flag set will engage Night Mode. The good news is that there are very few discs where the makers were stupid enough to set the flag. I even suspect it was a mistake.

Anyway, check to see if it's the case with you. IME Iron Man has an excellent soundtrack.

Same problem with me the first time I watched it with my Denon 3808ci. Fortunately for me it stay's off so I don't have to mess with it every time I turn on my receiver. I agree, Iron Man does have an excellent soundtrack.

 

Yes the problem with Onkyos is that the crackpot setting reverts to Auto every time the unit is powered on and it can't be configured in any other way. This means that every time I play a new TrueHD disc I have to go into the Home menu, select audio and switch the Late Night mode to OFF. It's not the end of the world but it would be a lot better if Onkyo had allowed this setting to remain 'sticky'.

 

IDK what AJ72's issue with the Iron Man soundtrack is if it isn't Night Mode being enabled behind his back. It should definitely not sound muffled or unclear. In fact, it should be one of his better overall sounding tracks IMO.



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I watched this last night. Loved the bass, but that was one bad and boring movie otherwise.
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Watched Ninja II on Netflix. The bass was impressive, the acting...not so much. Some parts were so cliche we couldn't help but laugh.
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Whoever mentioned that Ninja 2 was reference quality for PQ wasn't lying! What an outstanding transfer. Really. As far as the bass, it was really good. I thought the last Universal Soldier starring the same headlining actor from Ninja had much better low end.
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Are you aware that Iron Man is one of the few TrueHD discs which automatically engages Night Mode in certain Onkyo units (and possibly others too)?  Night Mode totally neuters the soundtrack.  To switch it off (on an Onk anyway) you have to hit the Home button on the remote, select Audio and then scroll  through to Night Mode, which you will see is set to Auto (in which case the flag on Iron Man's BD disc turns the darn thing on). Set it to off and then have another listen.

The bad news is that the unit defaults to Auto on power-up, so any disc that has the flag set will engage Night Mode. The good news is that there are very few discs where the makers were stupid enough to set the flag. I even suspect it was a mistake.

Anyway, check to see if it's the case with you. IME Iron Man has an excellent soundtrack.
My Onkyo engages Night Mode (or whatever it's called on the 818) with seemingly all non-DTS soundtracks - most annoying!!

I'm not sure if they fixed it with a firmware update or not but I'm loathe to update when the rest of it is working well. If it ain't broke...
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That's odd then, if it isn't Night Mode enabled. There isn’t any way that the sound I hear on Iron Man could be described as 'muffled' or 'lacking in clarity'. 

Which AVR do you have?

I have the Rotel Rsp 1570 preamp. I have a fairly broad selection of movies and a contributing factor may be because Iron Mans audio seems on the quieter side to me so I increase the volume to compensate but just feel the track is nothing special compared to many other movies I own. Lastly on IM, I agree with the bass rating for this movie at the beginning of the thread and enjoy that aspect of the film.

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Are you aware that Iron Man is one of the few TrueHD discs which automatically engages Night Mode in certain Onkyo units (and possibly others too)?  Night Mode totally neuters the soundtrack.  To switch it off (on an Onk anyway) you have to hit the Home button on the remote, select Audio and then scroll  through to Night Mode, which you will see is set to Auto (in which case the flag on Iron Man's BD disc turns the darn thing on). Set it to off and then have another listen.

The bad news is that the unit defaults to Auto on power-up, so any disc that has the flag set will engage Night Mode. The good news is that there are very few discs where the makers were stupid enough to set the flag. I even suspect it was a mistake.

Anyway, check to see if it's the case with you. IME Iron Man has an excellent soundtrack.
My Onkyo engages Night Mode (or whatever it's called on the 818) with seemingly all non-DTS soundtracks - most annoying!!

I'm not sure if they fixed it with a firmware update or not but I'm loathe to update when the rest of it is working well. If it ain't broke...

 

I don't think they will fix it. I think it is meant to work that way. As you say, it doesn't affect DTS-HD MA at all and they are in the majority on BD. 



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Which DSP mode do you guys use for movies? I use THX Cinema on a 7.2 setup.

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Which DSP mode do you guys use for movies? I use THX Cinema on a 7.2 setup.

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Which DSP mode do you guys use for movies? I use THX Cinema on a 7.2 setup.

Should I be using other modes?

I usually upmix all my 5.1 content to 7/9.1 with Dolby Prologic 2x/z and 7.1 content I just let run native or upmix to 9.1 audio with front heights. Every once in a while I will enable a THX mode but not very often.


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post #13348 of 18043 Old 01-17-2014, 12:14 PM
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Whoever mentioned that Ninja 2 was reference quality for PQ wasn't lying! What an outstanding transfer. Really. As far as the bass, it was really good. I thought the last Universal Soldier starring the same headlining actor from Ninja had much better low end.

I made a reference to Universal Soldier Day of Reckoning few weeks back
a lot of fun super gritty/raw action flick - I remember audio being really good but not nearly as powerful as Ninja but both worth a viewing for sure.

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I made a reference to Universal Soldier Day of Reckoning few weeks back
a lot of fun super gritty/raw action flick - I remember audio being really good but not nearly as powerful as Ninja but both worth a viewing for sure.

Agreed. Ninja definitely wins on level, although Universal Soldier wins on extension.
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