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I don't know which is more expensive, putting together a home theater sound system worth a Tinker's Damn, or keeping it stocked with bass worthy blu-rays.

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Ordered and waiting to arrive: "Star Trek Into Darkness" and "Olympus Has Fallen."

(next in the "To Buy" queue, "Elysium")

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STiD is NOT a bass heavy blu-ray fyi...its pretty filtered (quite disappointing).

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STiD is NOT a bass heavy blu-ray fyi...its pretty filtered (quite disappointing).

What!...eek.gif...I was lied to?...eek.gif

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Not arguing. Doing some checking, this AVS reviewer gave it 100 out of a possible 100 for audio.

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Not arguing. Doing some checking, this AVS reviewer gave it 100 out of a possible 100 for audio.

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The audio for STID is one of the worst available on BR. Its horribly clipped in the front channels and hurt my ears even at 12db from reference. And the LFE sucks. Really bad. Such a shame since the PQ is top notch and the movie was probably good as well.
Audio ruined the disk (and killed the tweeters in my fronts).
Worst audio. Ever.
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Worst audio. Ever.

Wow! Talking about sucking the air out of the room I'm in.

Very disappointed to read. Thanks to the both of you for the heads-up.
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Brian and Steveo are right. Some unsolicited advice that will definitely help guide you in the future: don't believe the reviews on here or any other movie review site, and take the subjective comments in this thread with a grain of salt. Data-bass.com measurements and notes on each release will always give you an apples-to-apples comparison.

To that end, STID has terrible clipping that really sounds bad in a high-fidelity, reference-capable, eq'd flat across the entire bandwidth sound systems.
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Brian and Steveo are right. Some unsolicited advice that will definitely help guide you in the future: don't believe the reviews on here or any other movie review site, and take the subjective comments in this thread with a grain of salt. Data-bass.com measurements and notes on each release will always give you an apples-to-apples comparison.

To that end, STID has terrible clipping that really sounds bad in a high-fidelity, reference-capable, eq'd flat across the entire bandwidth sound systems.

I am a bit surprised that this isnt more talked about. I can do ref.lvl with my system not even breaking a sweat but STID was so bad I would return it as a defective disk. That it was released at that quality is just sad. Not less sad that it gets reviewed without anyone noticing. Weird.
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To that end, STID has terrible clipping that really sounds bad in a high-fidelity, reference-capable, eq'd flat across the entire bandwidth sound systems.

Not only are my hopes and dreams crushed by the do-gooder twins but then, along comes a good Samaritan, picks my DA up and throws me over the cliff to dark, wave covered rocks, a couple hundred feet below.

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(important note, do not exceed -15dB MVC)
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Not only are my hopes and dreams crushed by the do-gooder twins but then a good Samaritan comes along, picks my DA up and throws me over the cliff to dark, wave covered rocks, a couple hundred feet below.

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(ow! i'm okay.....a little bit of help here)

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Just get the original Star Trek (2009) instead. Or go for Oblivion or Elysium and turn it up to 0 and see how it should be done.
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Just get the original Star Trek (2009) instead. Or go for Oblivion or Elysium and turn it up to 0 and see how it should be done.

For viewing purposes, we have Oblivion in the blu-ray drawer and Elysium is in the queue for ordering.

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This brings to mind some posts in the song of the day recommendations.  A forum member was blown away by the bass in Bass is a Weapon channel or something of that nature on you tube.  I went their, and it was horrible.  Even at low volume, the bass was ridiculously overboosted, clipping, muddy, and distorted.  I can't even imagine a teenager booming down the road with a couple of 15's in their Accord with a loud muffler would think it sounded good.  I admit I sometimes crank bass a bit higher than it should be, but this was just horrible, and my ears are far from golden.

 

However, I caught a half hour or so of Underworld: Awakening on TV the other night, and now I am looking for the Blu Ray....even the automatic gun fire punched you in the chest.  I am such a cheapie though, I wait till they hit the $10 and under shelf at Target.(Best place I have found for constantly finding great sales on Blu Rays: they always have of bunch priced at $5, $7.50, $10, and $15)

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Not only are my hopes and dreams crushed by the do-gooder twins but then, along comes a good Samaritan, picks my DA up and throws me over the cliff to dark, wave covered rocks, a couple hundred feet below.

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(ow! i'm okay.....a little bit of help here)

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I certainly agree with the others that STID is an overly loud, harsh, fatiguing, everything cranked to 11 filtered audio experience, BUT it does have some very strong mid type bass or mid-lower type bass down to just below 30hz IIRC. For me, it was not a total train wreck in light of that, BUT compared to 2009 or something else that is mixed better and unfiltered, it is disappointing. This will be especially apparent if you watch these two back to back like I did. ST 2009 is superior in EVERY way for audio vs ID and you should definitely pick this up if you haven't already.


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checking out Escape plan tonight...its also unfiltered!

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Not only are my hopes and dreams crushed by the do-gooder twins but then, along comes a good Samaritan, picks my DA up and throws me over the cliff to dark, wave covered rocks, a couple hundred feet below.

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I really enjoyed ST
Definately filtered but still great overall mix
Mid/upper bass punch was superb
Great suround work – massive soundstage
Watched full reference few times now
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Watched full reference few times now

Not arguing. That's obviously in conflict with the above. What would give you a positive experience and the others such a letdown? confused.gif

Depending on one's home theater system, is this a crap-shoot type of sound track, where sound quality can go either way?
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my ears would have fallen off in a bloody mess if I listened to STID anything above -15db

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I can watch STID and TDKR at reference. STID clips and sounds very harsh many times, especially when the ship crashes. These are very loud movies so just turn it down, STID has loud bass that I am sure one can enjoy but filtered and not accurate sounding at all.

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STID is a disappointing mix, it is loud and fatiguing due to excessive compression and clipping; in addition to the filtered bass which is loud but lacks depth.

As others have mentioned ST09 is a far more satisfying audio experience with some nice deep bass.

It seems those with criteria of louder is better tend to favor this type of mixing, other recent examples of this audio folly are Man of Steel and TDKR.

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STID is a disappointing mix, it is loud and fatiguing due to excessive compression and clipping; in addition to the filtered bass which loud but lacks depth.

As others have mentioned ST09 is a far more satisfying audio experience with some nice deep bass.

It seems those with criteria of louder is better tend to favor this type of mixing, other recent examples of this audio folly are Man of Steel and TDKR.

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MoS was another mess imho

I would prefer a normal mix, and then I will just turn it up if need be. also if a filter is in place...20Hz is actually ok...its the 30Hz filter that drives me nuts

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I would prefer a normal mix, and then I will just turn it up if need be. also if a filter is in place...20Hz is actually ok...its the 30Hz filter that drives me nuts

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No filter is OK however the lower the better. TDKR went lower than MoS and STID so I like it better. I agree with Scott as I like MoS sound track however it needed depth. Without deep bass it starts to sound all the same. I watched MoS and then Oblivion back to back and although I liked MoS Oblivion showed me the light! Whenever you guys feel something is OK put in a really good recorded full band width movie and then say WHY?

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Filtered bass was not the only issue with MoS. I thought the bass execution was noticeably spotty at times in that film as there were moments where you would expect big bass and there was very little and other moments where you would not expect bass and it hit pretty hard. For me, the lacking execution was as much if not more of an issue vs the lacking extension in that film.
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When I watched it I took notice how the bass was out of place. There were many times where they used bass for building up of tension however it was loud 30hz bass which actually made it seem funny. If it was at 10hz then the scene would had made sense. The scene where the general walks into the computer room to look at the alien aircraft was a good example.

Now having said all this with people like different things I will give you an example where a friend of mine watched a couple demos. I put in LOTR Balrog, WOTW pod emerge, and then TDKR and the Bat. He was most impressed with the Bat coming out of the alley then even WOTW. Now this is the first time he ever heard TDKR and the first time with the IB and WOTW. Again, he had me repeat the Bat scene again as he liked it so much. To each their own.
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When I watched it I took notice how the bass was out of place. There were many times where they used bass for building up of tension however it was loud 30hz bass which actually made it seem funny. If it was at 10hz then the scene would had made sense. The scene where the general walks into the computer room to look at the alien aircraft was a good example.

Now having said all this with people like different things I will give you an example where a friend of mine watched a couple demos. I put in LOTR Balrog, WOTW pod emerge, and then TDKR and the Bat. He was most impressed with the Bat coming out of the alley then even WOTW. Now this is the first time he ever heard TDKR and the first time with the IB and WOTW. Again, he had me repeat the Bat scene again as he liked it so much. To each their own.

What is the time stamp for the Bat scene? Thanks

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I will run a scene later as I don't have the disc right now. I don't remember what time stamp it is.

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I will run a scene later as I don't have the disc right now. I don't remember what time stamp it is.

That would be great! No rush at all.

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