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The link that I provide for the Drive movie is a streaming media link. Just click on the link and then start the movie. After the commercial you can control the movie with your mouse. Simply start the movie and advance to the 4 minute and 45 second area.

How is it compared to this section from Drive - Chapter 5?

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The link that I provide for the Drive movie is a streaming media link. Just click on the link and then start the movie. After the commercial you can control the movie with your mouse. Simply start the movie and advance to the 4 minute and 45 second area.

How is it compared to this section from Drive - Chapter 5?

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That looks about right, but your time scale is very long. Couple of minutes on that waterfall.

Is that waterfall taken from the Drive Bluray? There are no Chapters with streaming so it is hard to guess where that waterfall starts.

Give me a start time and I will take a look.
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Is that waterfall taken from the Drive Bluray? There are no Chapters with streaming so it is hard to guess where that waterfall starts.
Give me a start time and I will take a look.

Yes, and here is a picture from beginning of scene....

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could you please post the time frame for that Drive scene?
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That looks about right, but your time scale is very long. Couple of minutes on that waterfall.

Is that waterfall taken from the Drive Bluray? There are no Chapters with streaming so it is hard to guess where that waterfall starts.

Give me a start time and I will take a look.

You said 4 minutes and 45 seconds into the movie. That would not be chapter 5. Also, Flag shows content to 1 Hz and your graph has nothing below 27 Hz.

Dunno about the streaming deal (what's the audio format?) but that stripe down to DC on your graph is def not on the BR version. I wouldn't use the streaming audio for a reference against the BR.

I can see without graphing that what I've been saying about frequency resolution will hold true in this scene, which is not a low frequency effect, but is a complex synth keyboard music score. I'll bet real money that instead of a full frequency spread from 27-60 Hz there are instead a dozen or so frequencies and they're all being blurred into a single horizontal pixelated stripe with you settings.

So, you'll get a getter separation in time (possibly, we'll see), but you'll never be able to distinguish what frequencies make up the composition... not even approximately. As far as the amplitude separation goes, that will be apparent on the amplitude graph and more accurately at that with my settings.

I don't connect my measurements PC to the internet but I wouldn't trust the stream anyway.

I have some time later today so I'll pick up the BR and graph it. In the meanwhile, let's get the time stamp right so we're all on the same page. Start at 0:04:45 and go to 0:05:20. That should fit in your 35 second window and we'll all have the right scene for comparison.
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Hope you like the film, Bosso, I thought it was good smile.gif
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That looks about right, but your time scale is very long. Couple of minutes on that waterfall.

Is that waterfall taken from the Drive Bluray? There are no Chapters with streaming so it is hard to guess where that waterfall starts.

Give me a start time and I will take a look.

You said 4 minutes and 45 seconds into the movie. That would not be chapter 5. Also, Flag shows content to 1 Hz and your graph has nothing below 27 Hz.

Dunno about the streaming deal (what's the audio format?) but that stripe down to DC on your graph is def not on the BR version. I wouldn't use the streaming audio for a reference against the BR.

I can see without graphing that what I've been saying about frequency resolution will hold true in this scene, which is not a low frequency effect, but is a complex synth keyboard music score. I'll bet real money that instead of a full frequency spread from 27-60 Hz there are instead a dozen or so frequencies and they're all being blurred into a single horizontal pixelated stripe with you settings.

So, you'll get a getter separation in time (possibly, we'll see), but you'll never be able to distinguish what frequencies make up the composition... not even approximately. As far as the amplitude separation goes, that will be apparent on the amplitude graph and more accurately at that with my settings.

I don't connect my measurements PC to the internet but I wouldn't trust the stream anyway.

I have some time later today so I'll pick up the BR and graph it. In the meanwhile, let's get the time stamp right so we're all on the same page. Start at 0:04:45 and go to 0:05:20. That should fit in your 35 second window and we'll all have the right scene for comparison.


Yes, the streaming audio is 2.0, so the Bluray will be different. I may buy the disk so I have the correct audio file.

I have a newish Windows 8 laptop with wide screen display. The audio chip used is in the link below. Not sure about that 0-1 Hz area action, but it comes and goes in the same time period every time I do a waterfall. Bin bandwidth is about 1.4 Hz with my settings.

Audio chip details for my laptop sound.

http://www.conexant.com/Product/Audio/pchdaudio/CX20672/Pages/default.aspx


Here is a new waterfall of Drive starting at 4 min 45 sec from laptop microphone. The scroll interval was set to automatic 87.5% overlap.








Here is a second waterfall for the same scene in Drive. In room measured with laptop microphone.

Different settings were used in SL for this waterfall.


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Hope you like the film, Bosso, I thought it was good smile.gif



Not a bad movie, and the sound track is pretty good.

Drive was nominated for Best Sound Editing in 2011.
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BTW, my spec lab waterfalls using the laptop mic is too low under 20hz. It drops off pretty good as compared to my calibrated behringer mic. The c-weighted RS meter has more low end as well. It is closer to a RS meter with no c-weight which is really low. This actually makes me happy because it means I am closer to having the low end than what I have shown. I have a mic coming that does not need cal files and will match up with my behringer and RS c-weighted mic. Then I can really see what my in room is really doing. Some day I might have to just suck it up and buy a flat to 2hz no cal file mic.

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Not a bad movie, and the sound track is pretty good.

Drive was nominated for Best Sound Editing in 2011.
Cool, good stuff smile.gif

A little bit less of the graphic gore and I think it would have been perfect - did we really need to see body parts destroyed? What's wrong with our imagination?

But I digress...
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Is that waterfall taken from the Drive Bluray? There are no Chapters with streaming so it is hard to guess where that waterfall starts.
Give me a start time and I will take a look.

Yes, and here is a picture from beginning of scene....






I found that scene. Near the 49 minute time stamp. Your waterfall is accurate (sub 20 Hz content). Not much going on in that scene. Just talking and back ground noise (audio recorded outside).
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BTW, my spec lab waterfalls using the laptop mic is too low under 20hz. It drops off pretty good as compared to my calibrated behringer mic. The c-weighted RS meter has more low end as well. It is closer to a RS meter with no c-weight which is really low. This actually makes me happy because it means I am closer to having the low end than what I have shown. I have a mic coming that does not need cal files and will match up with my behringer and RS c-weighted mic. Then I can really see what my in room is really doing. Some day I might have to just suck it up and buy a flat to 2hz no cal file mic.



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Some day I might have to just suck it up and buy a flat to 2hz no cal file mic.

I have the ACOPacific PS9200 Kit with the 7012 mic. It's the mic B&K and others use to create a mic cal file, and is flat to 2 Hz. The kit has a choice of mic, the preamp/PS/windscreen/adaptors and a sturdy case with compartments for all of the above.

http://www.acopacific.com/PS9200kit.html

I just sent a quote request for current $$ and freight. I'll ping you when I get that info so you'll have it either way.
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I disable of the dc offset, noise, and anything else. I just hit disable all but that is in properties of the recording box when you right click the volume icon.

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I have the ACOPacific PS9200 Kit with the 7012 mic. It's the mic B&K and others use to create a mic cal file, and is flat to 2 Hz. The kit has a choice of mic, the preamp/PS/windscreen/adaptors and a sturdy case with compartments for all of the above.

http://www.acopacific.com/PS9200kit.html

I just sent a quote request for current $$ and freight. I'll ping you when I get that info so you'll have it either way.

Let me know what you find out, Dave.

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at the risk of groans, i thought the bass in "gravity" really "pulled me into" the movie...

Clearly the Orbit shifter is the most appropriate sub to watch this movie with.
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I have the ACOPacific PS9200 Kit with the 7012 mic. It's the mic B&K and others use to create a mic cal file, and is flat to 2 Hz. The kit has a choice of mic, the preamp/PS/windscreen/adaptors and a sturdy case with compartments for all of the above.

http://www.acopacific.com/PS9200kit.html

I just sent a quote request for current $$ and freight. I'll ping you when I get that info so you'll have it either way.
Hey Bosso,

Thank you very much for posting this link smile.gif

They have four mic options in that kit, going from the webpage - is there a preferred / best model number to select?

Many thanks!
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Let me know what you find out, Dave.

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I have the ACOPacific PS9200 Kit with the 7012 mic. It's the mic B&K and others use to create a mic cal file, and is flat to 2 Hz. The kit has a choice of mic, the preamp/PS/windscreen/adaptors and a sturdy case with compartments for all of the above.

http://www.acopacific.com/PS9200kit.html

I just sent a quote request for current $$ and freight. I'll ping you when I get that info so you'll have it either way.

Let me know what you find out, Dave.



Are you going to spend over $1,500 for a microphone, power supply and preamp?


2006 list price noted in link below. Scan down the page to get by the blank section. The mike and power supply kit went for $1750 and up in 2006!


http://mixonline.com/wnamm2006/new-products-guide/microphones-2006/
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I disable of the dc offset, noise, and anything else. I just hit disable all but that is in properties of the recording box when you right click the volume icon.



I suspect that we have different sound hardware. When you right click the volume icon you get into the more or less standard audio control area.


Dell audio (if you have it) can be found in Windows 8 by going to Control Panel, Hardware and Sound. If you have Dell Audio, you will see an icon that says Dell. I set all the options to OFF.
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Anyone watch or graph" The Grandmaster" ? I would love to see comparisons of the DD5.1 english vs. Chinese DTS MA i found the DD 5.1 mixed had the better bass but it may have had to do with the perceived High/mid or channel level bump in the DTS MA track. The overall mix was fantastic with stellar directional cues and great use of the LFE with great room penetration and nice sweeps. As a movie? if martial arts are your thing, its a must see and belongs in the collection as I found it a masterfully done movie and even if its not see it anyway wink.gif
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I have the Grandmaster ordered from Amazon and it should be on my porch tomorrow. Do you have the version Amazon sells or the Hong Kong version. I've heard there are two versions?
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I have the Grandmaster ordered from Amazon and it should be on my porch tomorrow. Do you have the version Amazon sells or the Hong Kong version. I've heard there are two versions?

I got my copy from Netflix but will purchase soon wink.gif, it was the 108 min US version , from what i understand the HK version is 130 min, despite this, I loved the movie and if opportunity presents I would love to see what was omitted from the US release smile.gif
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I have it and watched the first 15 mins yesterday. Fantastic bass so far. I was just too tired to watch since it has subtitles.

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I have it and watched the first 15 mins yesterday. Fantastic bass so far. I was just too tired to watch since it has subtitles.

I watched late night as well and opted for the english version as I didn't want the subtitles to put me down! This was good due to the fact when I do my soundtrack confirmation and noticed the DTS MA I switched to it but back as I found the DD 5.1 more pleasing, It was late and the volume was at 33-26 db with Dynamic EQ offset to 5 ! I'll have to compare at reference when I purchase .
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I watched late night as well and opted for the english version as I didn't want the subtitles to put me down! This was good due to the fact when I do my soundtrack confirmation and noticed the DTS MA I switched to it but back as I found the DD 5.1 more pleasing, It was late and the volume was at 33-26 db with Dynamic EQ offset to 5 ! I'll have to compare at reference when I purchase .
I have the English version and it still had subtitles. Could I choose a different track?!

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I have the English version and it still had subtitles. Could I choose a different track?!

Perhaps ! there were 2 available on the Netflix rental, english DD5.1 & chinese DTS MA.
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Whilst in the mood for more ! I may checkout "Saving General Yang" tonight ,It was recommended a few pages back and it seems Netflix has it available for streaming wink.gif
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