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can anyone give me an approximate time stamp on WW Z grenade scene?

I think it was around 1h 5m or thereabouts.
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Not implying he likes it because it was 24 bit just debating whether there is a difference in sound between the two. There is a difference.
16 bit, 24 bit.........all that really matters is............ garbage in, garbage out! It's as simple as that. wink.gif
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16 bit vs 24 bit.

Can you give an example?

Watched HTTYD for the however many times again last night......SO good for LFE/sound. Would love to hear DoS with this type of low end support which unfortunately won't be happening from early reports.

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The bluray.com review of The Hobbit, Desolation of Smaug" is out. In the audio part of the review which gets 5 stars (who woulda thunk), the first paragraph seems dedicated to ...........us here?

There was a small but vocal minority of audiophiles who expressed concern over An Unexpected Journey's lossless audio mix because its low-end output wasn't all it could be. I admittedly didn't notice anything amiss at the time of my review, and still find it difficult to discern any shortcoming when revisiting the first film's Blu-ray release. Did I encounter any such issue with Desolation of Smaug? No, although those who pore over specs and bitrates may find the same problem here. So why even bring it up? I too want the best that a studio can deliver, so bravo to those who uncover these sorts of things. It's important to know. I just wonder how much of the offending issue is actually perceptible to the human ear and how much is driven by the power of tech-spec suggestion.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Hobbit-The-Desolation-of-Smaug-Blu-ray/24829/#Review
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The bluray.com review of The Hobbit, Desolation of Smaug" is out. In the audio part of the review which gets 5 stars (who woulda thunk), the first paragraph seems dedicated to ...........us here?

There was a small but vocal minority of audiophiles who expressed concern over An Unexpected Journey's lossless audio mix because its low-end output wasn't all it could be. I admittedly didn't notice anything amiss at the time of my review, and still find it difficult to discern any shortcoming when revisiting the first film's Blu-ray release. Did I encounter any such issue with Desolation of Smaug? No, although those who pore over specs and bitrates may find the same problem here. So why even bring it up? I too want the best that a studio can deliver, so bravo to those who uncover these sorts of things. It's important to know. I just wonder how much of the offending issue is actually perceptible to the human ear and how much is driven by the power of tech-spec suggestion.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Hobbit-The-Desolation-of-Smaug-Blu-ray/24829/#Review


It's more likely Ken was referencing the folks in the AUJ thread at bluray.com that he responded in last year and apparently reads. There were some vocal folks over there as well as far as the anemic LFE support.

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Apologies in advance for this being off-topic, but it is in the spirit of trying to limit future off-topic discussion:

I really think the subjective discussions about each other's opinions have gotten out of hand. "Good" is in the eye/ear of the beholder, and there is really no such thing as an incorrect opinion. So if someone posts an opinion contradictory to your own, please do not feel the need to defend yourself, at least not publicly in this thread. That is not to say opinions are unwelcome. It's the bickering over the correctness of opinions that is unnecessary.

What I value most from this thread is the Objective stuff. Graphs of how low a scene goes (waterfall) and graphs of overall frequency levels across the entire movie. I also really enjoy the explanations of things from experts. Yes that is also an opinion, but one that is in-line with the stated purpose and title of this thread. If I really want an opinion of plot, action, acting, etc, I will read a review or discuss in a different thread.

Also, there is a confrontational and non-confrontational way to express an opinion too. "That movie was awful" is confrontational. The opinion is stated as a fact implying that anyone that disagrees is incorrect. The same opinion can be expressed as: "I did not like that movie" which clearly leaves room for others to have their own valid opinion with no need to argue or defend.
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I heard the movie was a snoozer. Your thoughts?

The movie is a bit different than traditional remakes of stories from the Bible. The Hollywood spin on special effects makes a mark on the movies. All the a top actors were excellent. There was some modern things in the movie that did not fit the period. The movie had a touch of Waterworld or some other post apocalyptic film. How well someone likes the film kinda depends on what they bring to the movie with their belief system. It will generate discussion for sure. I liked the movie, lots of action and a focused story line.
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Currently watching OHF, turned the washington monument scene up to -10, subs 6 dB hot, Enhancer on(bass boost), XS30 sailed through it no problem.  Some nice rumbling:)  Some hard hitting explosions as well.  And a movie the wife is enjoying as well.

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Currently watching OHF, turned the washington monument scene up to -10, subs 6 dB hot, Enhancer on(bass boost), XS30 sailed through it no problem.  Some nice rumbling:)   Some hard hitting explosions as well.  And a movie the wife is enjoying as well.

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The psw110 probably blew a lung...lol tongue.gif

Actually , it really boosted the 10 Hz......look closely:

 

 

Luckily, and sadly, it does nothing below 38 Hz :)

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It would sound exactly the same.

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On order from Amazon:  Th Incredible Hulk.  I keep hearing this is a nice go to bass demo movie.  My favorite long scene is still WotW pod emergence, and favorite short scene is WWZ grenade.  Might have to revisit Avatar, have not watched it with a good sub.

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Just finished my second "Oz" viewing and while I've done Oblivion at least three times, I now remember why I gushed so much about Oz! Now the real kicker I'm back to square one and will say the are still on top as best of recent soundtracks & bass. Yes we got some good contenders so far but man Oz has some gut wrenching dynamics and best dialog ever wink.gif
Copy that! I'm right on your heels re-watching gems from last year. Forgot what a clean, dynamic and ULF friendly track this movie contains. The video is flat gorgeous and once it went to color I was thinking all the while how the picture matches up well with Avatar.
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So, I just watched Enders Game.  The kids and I both really enjoyed it...pretty cool story, and the bass....OMG.  The rumble all through the movie was just fantastic.  Here's my only question though:  has anyone else rented this from redbox?  on bluray .com i noticed it said it was a 7.1 lossless track, but when i noticed "dolby digital" showing on my receiver, i double checked the audio menu and the only two options were DD and the same in spanish i believe.  anyway, when i saw the trailers for this movie it didn't impress me, but seeing it mention here i decided to rent it and was pleasantly surprised.  saw oblivion the other day too....fantastic flick for sure.

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So, I just watched Enders Game.  The kids and I both really enjoyed it...pretty cool story, and the bass....OMG.  The rumble all through the movie was just fantastic.  Here's my only question though:  has anyone else rented this from redbox?  on bluray .com i noticed it said it was a 7.1 lossless track, but when i noticed "dolby digital" showing on my receiver, i double checked the audio menu and the only two options were DD and the same in spanish i believe.  anyway, when i saw the trailers for this movie it didn't impress me, but seeing it mention here i decided to rent it and was pleasantly surprised.  saw oblivion the other day too....fantastic flick for sure.

Could be one of those films that only include AC3 because it's a rental edition. Lionsgate does it a lot

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So, I just watched Enders Game. ... Here's my only question though:  has anyone else rented this from redbox?  on bluray .com i noticed it said it was a 7.1 lossless track, but when i noticed "dolby digital" showing on my receiver, i double checked the audio menu and the only two options were DD and the same in spanish i believe.
I rented it from a Redbox.ca kiosk and it had the 7.1-ch DTS-HD MA track. The audio was perfect. cool.gif
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I rented it from a Redbox.ca kiosk and it had the 7.1-ch DTS-HD MA track. The audio was perfect. cool.gif

that's really weird.  i wonder what's up with that?  oh, well....it still sounded pretty darn good with DD....i imagine it would improve that much more with the MA track.  

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It would sound exactly the same.
You missed the point how this conversation started but if you think it would be identical so be it.

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You missed the point how this conversation started but if you think it would be identical so be it.


16 bit... 17 bit... whatever it takes. wink.gif

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You missed the point how this conversation started but if you think it would be identical so be it.

Honestly have no idea what you're on about. I was just responding to a post.

...and now here we are. smile.gif

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On order from Amazon:  Th Incredible Hulk.  I keep hearing this is a nice go to bass demo movie.  My favorite long scene is still WotW pod emergence, and favorite short scene is WWZ grenade.  Might have to revisit Avatar, have not watched it with a good sub.

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On order from Amazon:  Th Incredible Hulk.  I keep hearing this is a nice go to bass demo movie.  My favorite long scene is still WotW pod emergence, and favorite short scene is WWZ grenade.  Might have to revisit Avatar, have not watched it with a good sub.

If you don't know already, there is a THX trailer after the closing credits on Avatar with some good bass.
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On order from Amazon:  Th Incredible Hulk.  I keep hearing this is a nice go to bass demo movie.  My favorite long scene is still WotW pod emergence, and favorite short scene is WWZ grenade.  Might have to revisit Avatar, have not watched it with a good sub.

 

 

The Incredible Hulk is awesome....great bass movie.  The Hulk's footsteps were shaking the house the last time I watched it....I could have swore he was stomping around upstairs!


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The Incredible Hulk is awesome....great bass movie.  The Hulk's footsteps were shaking the house the last time I watched it....I could have swore he was stomping around upstairs!
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So, I just watched Enders Game.  The kids and I both really enjoyed it...pretty cool story, and the bass....OMG.  The rumble all through the movie was just fantastic.  Here's my only question though:  has anyone else rented this from redbox?  on bluray .com i noticed it said it was a 7.1 lossless track, but when i noticed "dolby digital" showing on my receiver, i double checked the audio menu and the only two options were DD and the same in spanish i believe.  anyway, when i saw the trailers for this movie it didn't impress me, but seeing it mention here i decided to rent it and was pleasantly surprised.  saw oblivion the other day too....fantastic flick for sure.

I had the same last night with Escape Plan from Redbox. This is the second time it's happened to me. (The first was The Hunger Games.) I strongly recommend you call Redbox and tell them there was a problem with the disc. After all, there was! The point of choosing the Blu-ray over the DVD is better picture and better sound. You only got half of what you paid for. Their phone number is printed on the disc case.

Here's what will happen when you call them. They'll explain that they're flagging that copy of the movie as a problem disc. It won't be rented by anyone else until it's been checked by a technician. When the technician gets there, he'll pull the disc out of the box to check it out. He has a Blu-ray player in the back of his van, and he'll get a report on that disc with the details of my complaint. In this case, my complaint was that there was no lossless audio track on the disc. According to the representative I spoke to, after he confirms that there's no lossless track on the disc, it will be pulled from circulation and sent back to the manufacturer as a defect.

Now what happens when it gets back to the manufacturer? I don't know. If our suspicions are correct and the track was omitted intentionally, maybe they'll send it right back into circulation. But even if that's what happens, we've still done some good. We've wasted some people's time. At least 2 Redbox employees and one Summit Entertainment employee have wasted minutes on this. You've also caused them lost revenue for the time it sent in the box before the technician got to it. If enough of us do this, that works out to be expensive for both companies. And if it starts costing them money, maybe it'll start catching their attention and they'll stop it.

As for you, in return for your couple of minutes on the phone, you'll get a credit for a free rental on your account. And you'll get the satisfaction of knowing you did your part to correct this particular consumer injustice.
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Thor the Dark World.....I enjoyed watching it with my son, and was disappointed with the lack of low frequency.....not once was there any good rumbling that a good audio track combined with a good subwoofer should produce.  Plenty of epic scenes that would have benefited from some good LFE.

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Thor the Dark World.....I enjoyed watching it with my son, and was disappointed with the lack of low frequency.....not once was there any good rumbling that a good audio track combined with a good subwoofer should produce.  Plenty of epic scenes that would have benefited from some good LFE.


Ive seen it twice, both times with only my single svs 12+ and watched it at -18 with the wife and thought there was decent lfe , and again at -10 or -5 with a buddy and thought the same but even more hard hitting bass not sure it dug really deep but I know my sub got worked at times.

I just watched tron legacy with my duals at -5 with subs 3db hot and that movie is nuts, my duals are on either side of my couch and very near field im quite flat to 20hz-120hz @ 115 db but drop to 107 @16 hz via rew sweep.

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The best combo of LFE and surround steering and clarity is transformers III. iMHO
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The ending fight scene with the Abomination may be the best bass demo scene out there. The final HTTYD is awesome as well. But with my Submersives and house curve and running hot I have to turn down the bass in fear of actual physical damage to the rental home. But each step the hulk takes is serious impact.

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I tried to watch OHF last night but the wife kept bitchin at me to turn it down lol...will have to have another go tonight.
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