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it's really not too bad but for the wasted op on the "tree fall"...
I think maybe that's why I'm so disappointed with it. If there was ever a film that was incredibly obviously filtered from the theatrical mix to the home version, it's Avatar. I saw Avatar several times in theaters and the bass in that entire scene was some of, if not THE best I've ever experienced in a theater. You could literally feel the shockwaves from the missiles and the tree falling. And then on blu-ray that scene just fizzles.

The only other two bass experiences I've had that were on par with that, in the theater, were Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol and Tron and both of those went on to have stellar bass on their blu-ray tracks.
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Anybody notice that Ralph gave "Walking with Dinosaurs" 4 stars for LFE? I think that may be his highest yet. One scene " . . . will shake anything that's not tied down."
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nah...he gave "gravity" 5 stars for LFE...i'm pretty sure he's had other 5's

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The Obama administration has proposed a new EPA rule that would force the entertainment industry to go green. One requirement that is buried deep in the proposal is the requirement that no audio content can have frequencies below 20 Hz nor above 20 kHz for all new content produced after 4/1/2015. In addition, to enforce this requirement all DVD and Bluray players firmware would be required to add this feature to the existing mandatory Cinavia watermark system. This firmware update will be mandatory for all new and existing DVD and Bluray players.


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And just goes to show that if your EQ isn't right (as mine wasn't when I first watched the OHF scene and was a bit underwhelmed) that scene will be missed. The hottest parts are at 20Hz judging by the graph and that scene is spectacular.

Perhaps people with extremely capable systems with lots of ouput to 10 Hz and lower are simply feeling the effects of the 20 Hz content much better, but still not really getting much from below 16?  Personally, when watching a scene like this, I have no innate ability to pinpoint exactly which frequency is shaking my room.  But playing individual tones, at normal movie watching volume, under 16 = nothing, 16+ = rumble.  I cannot achieve reference level output to 10 Hz, but I am flat to 10 louder than what I listen.

 

I was discussing this with someone who insisted the stuff below 16 Hz was causing all kinds of shaking and rumbling in his room.  I asked him how he knew, and he posted a spectrograph of the WotW pod scene.  So I asked, how do you know it isn't all the 16-30 Hz content in that scene that you are really feeling.  He said its because he is flat to 11 Hz and thats where all the tactile feel is.  Seems to me like he thought thats what was doing it, therefore in his mind it was, but doesn't seem very conclusive to me.

 

After all, a lot of the DIY guys are focusing more and more on ported subs for better 15Hz and up output.  Starting to feel to me like this is where the action is.

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Bear I know what you're saying but I haven't enough listening experience with other subs capable of low level output to know whether I' missing out on anything or not. You may be opening a giant can of whoop ass!

I have Dual Captivators and there is a whole lot of house shaking going on during that OHF scene. Same goes for WWZ grenade scene. The Caps port tune is around 17-18Hz but never feels like I'm missing anything. Have only experience with a Triax to compare to. Never heard Submersive or anything close to Popalocks bass fortress. I know this will be debated until the cows come home (with regard to ELF) but watching WOTW pod emergence/lightning strikes through the Triax didn't reveal any new material I hadn't already experienced with the Captivators. Maybe other setups would but I'm so happy with the Caps that I'm not concerned about it.

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Perhaps people with extremely capable systems with lots of ouput to 10 Hz and lower are simply feeling the effects of the 20 Hz content much better, but still not really getting much from below 16?  Personally, when watching a scene like this, I have no innate ability to pinpoint exactly which frequency is shaking my room.  But playing individual tones, at normal movie watching volume, under 16 = nothing, 16+ = rumble.  I cannot achieve reference level output to 10 Hz, but I am flat to 10 louder than what I listen.

I was discussing this with someone who insisted the stuff below 16 Hz was causing all kinds of shaking and rumbling in his room.  I asked him how he knew, and he posted a spectrograph of the WotW pod scene.  So I asked, how do you know it isn't all the 16-30 Hz content in that scene that you are really feeling.  He said its because he is flat to 11 Hz and thats where all the tactile feel is.  Seems to me like he thought thats what was doing it, therefore in his mind it was, but doesn't seem very conclusive to me.

After all, a lot of the DIY guys are focusing more and more on ported subs for better 15Hz and up output.  Starting to feel to me like this is where the action is.

watch a scene with lots of <16 and then one that is GREAt >16 and you will then understand what that feeling is of sub 16 feeling....(i.e. TIH vs Darla tap scene) I have seen so many scenes with both, I can usually tell you without graphing which movies hit low and which dont

Did you ever consider running a house curve? this boost the llower octaves so when listening at lower volumes you still get the higher spl of bass needed down there to get the feeling.

Yes I am FLAT to 10.5Hz, but I dont listen loud enough for that to make an impact (MVL -10db max)...so I institute a house curve which boosts those freq about 3db on a gentle rising curve (the lower they get the louder they will play so they can be felt)). I have found the perfect level using minidsp's loew shelf filter as to not allow over compression/distortion/limiter kicking in and loss of headroom for the upper frequencies..

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This is with no eq below 20.

 

A sweep done at -5(much louder than I listen)....might have been -10, I need to run a couple more sweeps this weekend.  My mic was clipping at this level so I could not go any higher so need to fix that issue but don't plan on sweeping too much higher...don't want to fry anything.

 

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Yes I am FLAT to 10.5Hz, but I dont listen loud enough for that to make an impact (MVL -10db max)...so I institute a house curve which boosts those freq about 3db on a gentle rising curve (the lower they get the louder they will play so they can be felt)).
Do you happen to have a graph showing your low shelf house curve?
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This is with no eq below 20.



A sweep done at -5(much louder than I listen)....might have been -10, I need to run a couple more sweeps this weekend.  My mic was clipping at this level so I could not go any higher so need to fix that issue but don't plan on sweeping too much higher...don't want to fry anything.

Brian if I ever add a 2nd XS30 I might do the house curve, but I am afraid I might not have the headroom with one.

Was this your center/sub? Or lfe?
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Was this your center/sub? Or lfe?


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I think I will pick up a radio shack SPL to verify the mic is reading correctly.....started clipping at 95 db or so which should not be the case.

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Are you saying you ran a prologic sweep or channel 3 output with redirected bass?
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Anybody notice that Ralph gave "Walking with Dinosaurs" 4 stars for LFE? I think that may be his highest yet. One scene " . . . will shake anything that's not tied down."
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nah...he gave "gravity" 5 stars for LFE...i'm pretty sure he's had other 5's


Greetings,

Technically you're both correct. I recently tweaked my review template, Here's how, and since making those changes the low frequency extension rating for Walking with dinosaurs is the highest I have given. As for Gravity which I reviewed prior to that, yes it received a rating of 5 in the LFE category. wink.gif



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To follow up on what Ralph said, here's the direct link to his exact post talking about this new addition to his reviews:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1121333/avs-forum-blu-ray-disc-reviews-general-discussion-thread/450#post_24422112

FYI, Walking With Dinosaurs does have some very serious low end content, but it's an atrociously bad movie. Measurements to follow @ d-b.com.
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Are you saying you ran a prologic sweep or channel 3 output with redirected bass?


I ran a 5.5 second duration sine wave sweep from 10-300 Hz, generated by REW and transmitted to my AVR from my laptop via an HDMI cable with my front left, right, center, and both subwoofers playing, and recorded by a Umik-1 calibrated mic.

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nah...he gave "gravity" 5 stars for LFE...i'm pretty sure he's had other 5's
No, I'm talking about the new piece of criteria he has, the "non-rated element", which he didn't have in effect for his Gravity review.

Edit: whoops, didn't see that Ralph came on and cleared things up.
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Greetings,

Technically you're both correct. I recently tweaked my review template, Here's how, and since making those changes the low frequency extension rating for Walking with dinosaurs is the highest I have given. As for Gravity which I reviewed prior to that, yes it received a rating of 5 in the LFE category. wink.gif



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thanks Ralph...

til now I was not aware of the changes you've made...nicely done

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thanks Ralph...

til now I was not aware of the changes you've made...nicely done

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Sure thing lefthadluke. Thanks to you and javanpohl for bringing it up. My apologies for taking the thread off topic..


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Sure thing lefthadluke. Thanks to you and javanpohl for bringing it up. My apologies for taking the thread off topic..


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Ha! No worries. This thread spends more time off topic than on. I and many others that frequent this thread are happy to see the update to your methodology, and I would have missed it if you hadn't posted here.
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Finally netflix is shipping me a copy "The Exorcism of Emily Rose" as I don't recall seeing it and the comments here about its bass peaked interest should be cool smile.gif
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a shout out to GPBurns for the heads-up on the "Marley" bluray...very cool


not only a great sounding disc (marley in dtshd ma) but historically eye-opening...to me anyway


if you've been to jamaica you cant help but feel marleys impact (first thing you see entering the airport is a huge poster of him)...but there is much more to his story than i ever knew


if you are even a casual fan pick up this disc...it is, as i said, very cool

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Sorry for being stupid, whats OTH scene? What movie?
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a shout out to GPBurns for the heads-up on the "Marley" bluray...very cool


not only a great sounding disc (marley in dtshd ma) but historically eye-opening...to me anyway


if you've been to jamaica you cant help but feel marleys impact (first thing you see entering the airport is a huge poster of him)...but there is much more to his story than i ever knew


if you are even a casual fan pick up this disc...it is, as i said, very cool

Great you enjoyed it
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