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Thanks, Skylinestar. That one looks to have a solid sound crew, but when's the due date on it? Maybe winter of this year? Maybe never? It premiered at the box office in Oct of 2013, and was re-released just a couple weeks ago, and bombed in both cases?


After his performance in such notable bass movies as TDK, OHF, and B:LA, I expected a LOT more from an Aaron Eckhart film...no such luck this time with I, Frankenstein. Pompeii is a much better bass movie. While it won't be winning any awards, it's also a better movie, though not by much. Jon Snow is a terrible actor, and the lead actress looks (and acts) like a brunette Paris Hilton.
The lead actress is Emily Browning, Baby Doll from Sucker Punch. And the lead actor is not Jon Snow whoever he is but Kit Harington.

You're right about I, Frankenstein Nube, terrible.

Check out Kit Harington's IMDb page, scroll down to "Game of Thrones," and check out his character name. He's Jon Snow. wink.gif

Back on topic, early reports show Lone Survivor to be a bass monster, but only if you have sealed subs. Absolutely HUGE, long sine waves centered at 6Hz throughout the movie. Not much above that until the same thing mirrored at 19Hz, then back to not much but rising response from 20-30Hz.
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Ive heard lone survivor is an awesome movie. Although my subwoofers will go nowhere near as low as those frequencies im all the more intrigued from an A/V point of view.
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Check out Kit Harington's IMDb page, scroll down to "Game of Thrones," and check out his character name. He's Jon Snow. wink.gif

See what you mean, I don't watch the show.:)
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'Usually' is the key word. There should be a little more detail on the lossless version. But in instances like Master and Commander the lfe is, per all accounts, better on the DVD than the bluray. They filtered it on the bluray.

that's right. Which kind of gets me to the other question, that means it was remixed and didn't just have the encoding changed? Some of the elements certainly sound better on the remixed bluray version aside from the LFE.

I have both. I did an a/b comparison a while back. The bass is noticeably better on the DVD and the overall sound (especially the surround) is noticeably better on the blu-ray. Sucks that we don't have both on the same disc. mad.gif
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I have both. I did an a/b comparison a while back. The bass is noticeably better on the DVD and the overall sound (especially the surround) is noticeably better on the blu-ray. Sucks that we don't have both on the same disc. mad.gif

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I have this movie in my Netflix disc que. Should I go with the bluray or DVD? Not sure if it matters, but I have 2 outlaw lfm-1 pluses. I say that because I doubt I get much if anything under 18hz. Any idea where the bluray rolls off?

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that's right. Which kind of gets me to the other question, that means it was remixed and didn't just have the encoding changed? Some of the elements certainly sound better on the remixed bluray version aside from the LFE.

running the track(s) through a high pass filter does not require getting one's hand on the stems and remixing the whole movie. I don't recall seeing any indication the M&C was remixed for BD.

I'm pretty sure I was able to hear differences (mostly in high frequency-heavy sounds) between DVD and BD PCM/lossless versions of the same movie(s) when I first got my BD player. It is at least possible that I actually could . . .
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I have both. I did an a/b comparison a while back. The bass is noticeably better on the DVD and the overall sound (especially the surround) is noticeably better on the blu-ray. Sucks that we don't have both on the same disc. mad.gif

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I have this movie in my Netflix disc que. Should I go with the bluray or DVD? Not sure if it matters, but I have 2 outlaw lfm-1 pluses. I say that because I doubt I get much if anything under 18hz. Any idea where the bluray rolls off?

Someone graphed the two of them and posted them together. I have it bookmarked at home. I guess it's what you are in the mood for. If you want more ooomph in the bass watch the DVD. If you want better picture and over all sound go with the blu-ray. That'll be the question I ask myself the next time I watch it.
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running the track(s) through a high pass filter does not require getting one's hand on the stems and remixing the whole movie.

Normally the bluray treatment gets its own mix in the lossless audio department. What makes you think they just highpassed it and left everything else alone?
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Someone graphed the two of them and posted them together. I have it bookmarked at home. I guess it's what you are in the mood for. If you want more ooomph in the bass watch the DVD. If you want better picture and over all sound go with the blu-ray. That'll be the question I ask myself the next time I watch it.

That reflects the way I feel about it too. Also, I saw a site with screenshot comparisons showing how the bluray video job wasn't all it could be and in many cases was close to the DVD PQ. They really owe this great movie a new edition with better/fixed low end sound AND a better video transfer.

A sequel would be nice too.... biggrin.gif
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Someone graphed the two of them and posted them together. I have it bookmarked at home. I guess it's what you are in the mood for. If you want more ooomph in the bass watch the DVD. If you want better picture and over all sound go with the blu-ray. That'll be the question I ask myself the next time I watch it.

I found this, which was posted by tobefrank in 2010. I didn't get the time stamp.

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I think people on this thread will be happy with 3 Days to Kill.
Cool. It's on my list to watch this weekend along with the new Robocop.
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Someone graphed the two of them and posted them together. I have it bookmarked at home. I guess it's what you are in the mood for. If you want more ooomph in the bass watch the DVD. If you want better picture and over all sound go with the blu-ray. That'll be the question I ask myself the next time I watch it.

That reflects the way I feel about it too. Also, I saw a site with screenshot comparisons showing how the bluray video job wasn't all it could be and in many cases was close to the DVD PQ. They really owe this great movie a new edition with better/fixed low end sound AND a better video transfer.

A sequel would be nice too.... biggrin.gif

Here is the graph that I was referring to. Quite a difference:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333462/the-new-master-list-of-bass-in-movies-with-frequency-charts/8160#post_23328275

It is an excellent movie and a remaster (done correctly) would be nice. Don't think there would be a sequel though. If I remember correctly there is a series of books and the movie was taken from most of them not leaving much for a second movie. But then, that wouldn't stop Hollywood if there was money to be made.
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Here is the graph that I was referring to. Quite a difference:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333462/the-new-master-list-of-bass-in-movies-with-frequency-charts/8160#post_23328275

It is an excellent movie and a remaster (done correctly) would be nice. Don't think there would be a sequel though. If I remember correctly there is a series of books and the movie was taken from most of them not leaving much for a second movie. But then, that wouldn't stop Hollywood if there was money to be made.

They'll probably just revamp it in space or something.
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They'll probably just revamp it in space or something.

lol. As long as its in 3D and has plenty of bass I'll likely buy it too smile.gif
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I graphed the DVD v BR of M&C and made the gif as well:



I also found several others with 10dB level differences like THOR, but M&C was the most neutered regarding loss of extension in the BR release over the DVD. Like a different movie.
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Here is the graph that I was referring to. Quite a difference:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333462/the-new-master-list-of-bass-in-movies-with-frequency-charts/8160#post_23328275

It is an excellent movie and a remaster (done correctly) would be nice. Don't think there would be a sequel though. If I remember correctly there is a series of books and the movie was taken from most of them not leaving much for a second movie. But then, that wouldn't stop Hollywood if there was money to be made.

Believe it or not I actually read the entire series about two or three years ago (about 16 books if memory serves). The movie was a combination of material from the books with a bit of Hollywood artistic license mixed in. If they wanted they could easily make many many sequels with the left over material from the series if they so wanted. And I agree, the movie was very good so I wish they would make some sequels. 

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Finally got to Dredd, very nice bass in that and the Conjuring is the only film to date I have seen where I enjoyed bass for effect.
I usually don't like it if it isn't tied to action on screen, but really well done there, and holy crap, is it freaky. Some hair raising moments!

I have the songs from through the never on Spotify, but haven't checked them yet, will do tomorrow, wonder if the bass is as good.

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Horrible, horrible movie, but surprisingly decent bass although it never digs below 32Hz with any authority.



Here's that 32Hz spike, which only happens for a few seconds at around the 01:20:35 mark when a helicopter shows up.

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Horrible, horrible movie, but surprisingly decent bass although it never digs below 32Hz with any authority.



Here's that 32Hz spike, which only happens for a few seconds at around the 01:20:35 mark when a helicopter shows up.


Enois, I disagree about it being surprisingly decent. I thought the bass was anemic throughout, but I am pretty particular about that sort of thing. wink.gif You'll like the new Robocop and Lone Survivor more, much more. And Pompeii! Whew!

I also noted that your reviews are now linking the graphs. You should give credit to maxmercy when you post one on a for-profit review, like I mentioned. Or, even better, just link to the full boat of measurements on each movie over there! smile.gif
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Just rewatched superman returns. Amazing that the bass was so great in that movie and man of steel is such a dud...

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Just rewatched superman returns. Amazing that the bass was so great in that movie and man of steel is such a dud...

Any man with 3 Triax"s should never again complain about a movie with or without bass as that would be an oxymoron biggrin.gif

Ha! kidding of course! I did a second viewing of MoS a while back a found it faired better for my personal take but I shall have to put Returns in the que as its been a good while since I've seen it smile.gif
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Any man with 3 Triax"s should never again complain about a movie with or without bass as that would be an oxymoron biggrin.gif

Ha! kidding of course! I did a second viewing of MoS a while back a found it faired better for my personal take but I shall have to put Returns in the que as its been a good while since I've seen it smile.gif

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Have to eat a little crow on Lone Survivor. I should have suspected something was up when the copy I saw some weeks back was the only one out at the time. It was weird, though, because the picture and sound were pristine, just had the low end lopped off. Just watched it again--definite buy for me, regardless of how well its ratings shake out. Great low end in spots (especially the choppers), great sound, REFERENCE quality picture quality, and an excellent movie to boot.
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No worries on your purchase, wth718. It's got upper echelon written all over it, though it goes about it in kinda an odd way for a bass movie. Those choppers @ 6Hz & 19Hz are monstrous - we're talking F'ing Irene monstrous EDIT: significantly better/longer than F'ing Irene! - but otherwise there's literally almost nothing below 25Hz.
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I have both. I did an a/b comparison a while back. The bass is noticeably better on the DVD and the overall sound (especially the surround) is noticeably better on the blu-ray. Sucks that we don't have both on the same disc. mad.gif

Get the region 4 bluray (australian release), it has the bottom end intact.
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Went in for an odd double feature with "Walking with Dinosaurs" and "Star Trek V " which is probably the least favorite by Trek fans standards but boast some decent bass compared to the rest of the originals and has a musical score throughout I love a nice watch for sure on Blu if your a fan. Walking with had a few moments as well that were nice but I watched it around -18 but still got some good impact that energized the room smile.gif
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