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Ok for a little clarification. First I apologize for being so vague, the topic isnt entirely legit. Also the Elysium copy I graphed may not have been an “offical screener”. All I know is that it was a pre-release copy with hardcoded asian subtitles. It is my opinion that the bass heavy copies I have been graphing are modified from the original source. I dont know how or why these copies have came into being I am just reporting that they exist.
This isnt true of the normalizer on MPC-HT. It boost yes but, not equally. For example in the Jack Reacher graphs 60hz get no boost with normalizer on yet 10hz gets more than 15db.
For the record I used the normalizer for the Jack Reacher graphs only. The differences are real.
Can you explain how “real rebassing” would differ from the graphs I posted? I first heard about rebassing on the db masterlist but there was very little information on the matter.
I would never deceive people by consciously posting false data. Im not that kind of person. The speclab setting are identical for the graphs.
Also if it is clipped its not obvious Immortals style clipping.

At the very least someone needs to compile these rebassed scenes to a demo disc...
hmmm anyone know of an open source video editor? smile.gif

OK, what media player are you using?..........and how do I activate this "Normalizer mode"??....I want to test it out...please share! lol

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RE Redbox discs having modified audio: How in the world would having modified/neutered hard media be cost-effective to Redbox? That would cost them tons of money for zero gain. I'm not accusing anyone of anything but are we sure this isn't a consumer perception issue... or hearsay? I'm sure they probably stock the cheapest versions of whatever they rent but that's not having custom pressings made. That would be completely senseless... though other US corporations do many senseless things.rolleyes.gif

I think the studios give them the blu rays for free, so they give them ones that aren't as good as ones you can buy.
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I think the studios give them the blu rays for free, so they give them ones that aren't as good as ones you can buy.

I'm pretty sure that Red Box actually does buy the discs, just at a heavily discounted rate. By contract they have to take whatever discs are given to them. So Red Box can't ignore the discs from the studio and go out and buy retail versions instead.
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Not saying this is the case with this particular movie file, but I have heard from an industry insider that there is a disc/edition that's made for awards such as the oscars and academys that has to stricly have the theatrical audio mix on it (and not a remixed nearfield edition) for review/voting. This made sense to me since they were reviewing movies in their theatrical presentations.
Could be a new special academy edition they could sell to enthusiasts with capable systems

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I think the studios give them the blu rays for free, so they give them ones that aren't as good as ones you can buy.

Where is the evidence to support this? Again, besides the few Lionsgate exceptions, the A/V is identical with Redbox and Netflix vs what you get when you buy. Rental discs may not have all the extras of the retail versions, but audio and video is the same. If there is some sort of evidence to support otherwise, I'm sure all of us would like to see it.
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I think the studios give them the blu rays for free, so they give them ones that aren't as good as ones you can buy.

Where is the evidence to support this? Again, besides the few Lionsgate exceptions, the A/V is identical with Redbox and Netflix vs what you get when you buy. Rental discs may not have all the extras of the retail versions, but audio and video is the same. If there is some sort of evidence to support otherwise, I'm sure all of us would like to see it.

Yes, this would be excellent factual information to have.smile.gif Why would the studios produce a bass-neutered set of discs just for the rental folks? So few renters have the systems capable of reproducing anything below 30Hz nor are there enough who care (percentage wise) that this would have nearly zero impact on the sales market. Why would the studios go to that extra expense for nearly zero gain? It would be far more economical for them just to sell the basic commercial discs without rental-specific authoring/pressing.

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Where is the evidence to support this? Again, besides the few Lionsgate exceptions, the A/V is identical with Redbox and Netflix vs what you get when you buy. Rental discs may not have all the extras of the retail versions, but audio and video is the same. If there is some sort of evidence to support otherwise, I'm sure all of us would like to see it.

I don't know, that's why I said "I think". I read some the info in here http://www.avsforum.com/t/1532989/redbox-to-close-over-500-kiosks-this-year/0_50
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The red box discs aren't bass neutered as far as I know, they just use standard dolby digital instead of DTSHDMA. The bass should be pretty much the same.
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The red box discs aren't bass neutered as far as I know, they just use standard dolby digital instead of DTSHDMA. The bass should be pretty much the same.

The only Redbox or Netflix discs that do lossy audio are select Lionsgate. Dont mean to beat this to death, but I feel its important to make that clear. The VAST majority use the exact same A/V as the bought retail copy.

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The red box discs aren't bass neutered as far as I know, they just use standard dolby digital instead of DTSHDMA. The bass should be pretty much the same.

The only Redbox or Netflix discs that do lossy audio are select Lionsgate. Dont mean to beat this to death, but I feel its important to make that clear. The VAST majority use the exact same A/V as the bought retail copy.

Not questioning your posts but is there any verification? Again... just just want to know what to avoid.
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Not questioning your posts but is there any verification? Again... just just want to know what to avoid.

You will see people mention here and other threads around AVS if a Lionsgate title has lossy audio for the rental version.

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Yes, this would be excellent factual information to have.smile.gif Why would the studios produce a bass-neutered set of discs just for the rental folks? So few renters have the systems capable of reproducing anything below 30Hz nor are there enough who care (percentage wise) that this would have nearly zero impact on the sales market. Why would the studios go to that extra expense for nearly zero gain? It would be far more economical for them just to sell the basic commercial discs without rental-specific authoring/pressing.

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EDIT: ^^^ The point is... we all are guilty of repeating nonsense. It happens to the best of us.

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RE Redbox discs having modified audio: How in the world would having modified/neutered hard media be cost-effective to Redbox? That would cost them tons of money for zero gain. I'm not accusing anyone of anything but are we sure this isn't a consumer perception issue... or hearsay? I'm sure they probably stock the cheapest versions of whatever they rent but that's not having custom pressings made. That would be completely senseless... though other US corporations do many senseless things.rolleyes.gif

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I think the studios give them the blu rays for free, so they give them ones that aren't as good as ones you can buy.
That's allot of free blu rays considering from an article on AVS I read today that there are some 36,000 Red Box Kiosks out there.

Scott did an article on Red Box's and they may be near extinction.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1532989/redbox-to-close-over-500-kiosks-this-year
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Yes, this would be excellent factual information to have.smile.gif Why would the studios produce a bass-neutered set of discs just for the rental folks? So few renters have the systems capable of reproducing anything below 30Hz nor are there enough who care (percentage wise) that this would have nearly zero impact on the sales market. Why would the studios go to that extra expense for nearly zero gain? It would be far more economical for them just to sell the basic commercial discs without rental-specific authoring/pressing.

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EDIT: ^^^ The point is... we all are guilty of repeating nonsense. It happens to the best of us.

So did they change anything after you pointed it out? Guessing no?

Yes, they usually did... but did so in their own slow time while making said changes appear as though they were their own ideas. Anything that made them appear as completely incompetent boobs they implemented changes very quietly and under the radar. "General-ly" speaking... no one even cared to notice... or at least they dared not mention it.
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Pompeii (Sony) from Netflix is lossy

Not my copy. I have it here from Netflix and just popped it in after reading your post. 5.1 DTS-MA.

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Srange...I just got it this week and its Dolby Digital 5.1

Checked the Netflix website and that's what it says also.


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Widescreen Anamorphic 1.85:1

Closed captioned

Closed captioned

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English: Dolby Digital 5.1

NEVER trust the Netflix website for technical details. Not only do they have the audio wrong in the description you listed above, but the aspect ratio as well since Pompeii is 2.40:1


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it's totally possible you had a bad copy of pompeii from redbox, they are known to have filtered/neutered audio tracks on their rentals.

Just finished watching Pompeii from redbox and I can assure nothing was neautered as the bass was plenty loud. Some discs from redbox will have a disclaimer that you are watching a "rental" version of the movie, but yet, special features will be available with losless audio, so not really sure what exactly is a "rental" version.
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Ive been experimenting with the retail copy of Elysium and the normalizer function on MPC_HC seeing if i can reproduce the rebass effect. At first I thought Ii was the same, but at second glance it is quite different.


Retail with normalizer on/off

Retail Normalizer off: 5hz is 11db down from 20hz on Peak graph
Retail Normalizer on: 5hz is 11db down from 20hz on Peak graph

Retail vs Rebassed/Boosted

Rebassed: 5hz is down 1db from 20hz on Peak graph

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I was going to do some testing, but I found that the MPC HC normalizer function is not available for standard DVD / Bluray sources. Only video sources can be manipulated.

That being said, there is a major boost in full band audio level when the normalizer is turned on. Not sure what happens to the LFE channel because I have no source material to test. The factory normalizer setting is 400%, but what was your normalizer set to?

Since your format is not DVD nor Bluray, I take everything that you show with a grain of salt.


For the normalized graphs i just turn the function on. These are my settings

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This is a drive by log in/post. I bought The Conjuring a little while ago....and just finished watching it. Now...I watched it alone, un-distracted, at night, in the mostly-dark, at -18db.

 

That is hands down the most immersive, freaky, actually scary movie I have ever seen. I don't get scared by movies. I can sometimes be startled, or grossed out, or sad, but scared? No.

 

This movie scared me. 

 

At one point in the movie a lightbulb was broken, and I swear to God the only light I had on in the house flickered at that exact moment. 

 

At another point the bass was off the charts (it did that a lot) and stuff in the movie was being knocked off the wall...family pictures to be exact...and several of our family pictures were knocked off a table in the room by the bass...I jumped out of my skin and my two big dogs both freaked out went on alert and started pacing and looking around which frankly freaked me out, because...well...f--- me.

 

Another time I swear I saw something moving out of the corner of my eye, in my house, similar to in the movie. **** is creepy man. Obviously the movie got into my head. The massive bass (all I have is a single corner loaded PB-2000) was a pivotal factor in drawing me in. 

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Same for me man, scary movies never do anything for me, but that one is special. Has the hairs on your neck standing up and makes you jump on several occasions. Clap.

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This is a drive by log in/post. I bought The Conjuring a little while ago....and just finished watching it. Now...I watched it alone, un-distracted, at night, in the mostly-dark, at -18db.

That is hands down the most immersive, freaky, actually scary movie I have ever seen. I don't get scared by movies. I can sometimes be startled, or grossed out, or sad, but scared? No.

This movie scared me. 

At one point in the movie a lightbulb was broken, and I swear to God the only light I had on in the house flickered at that exact moment. 

At another point the bass was off the charts (it did that a lot) and stuff in the movie was being knocked off the wall...family pictures to be exact...and several of our family pictures were knocked off a table in the room by the bass...I jumped out of my skin and my two big dogs both freaked out went on alert and started pacing and looking around which frankly freaked me out, because...well...f--- me.

Another time I swear I saw something moving out of the corner of my eye, in my house, similar to in the movie. **** is creepy man. Obviously the movie got into my head. The massive bass (all I have is a single corner loaded PB-2000) was a pivotal factor in drawing me in. 

LoL! great post, now go turn on the lights and pet the dogs biggrin.gif
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This is a drive by log in/post. I bought The Conjuring a little while ago....and just finished watching it. Now...I watched it alone, un-distracted, at night, in the mostly-dark, at -18db.

That is hands down the most immersive, freaky, actually scary movie I have ever seen. I don't get scared by movies. I can sometimes be startled, or grossed out, or sad, but scared? No.

This movie scared me. 

At one point in the movie a lightbulb was broken, and I swear to God the only light I had on in the house flickered at that exact moment. 

At another point the bass was off the charts (it did that a lot) and stuff in the movie was being knocked off the wall...family pictures to be exact...and several of our family pictures were knocked off a table in the room by the bass...I jumped out of my skin and my two big dogs both freaked out went on alert and started pacing and looking around which frankly freaked me out, because...well...f--- me.

Another time I swear I saw something moving out of the corner of my eye, in my house, similar to in the movie. **** is creepy man. Obviously the movie got into my head. The massive bass (all I have is a single corner loaded PB-2000) was a pivotal factor in drawing me in. 

Same here. When I was little, I watched The Exorcist. Scared the crap out of me. Then any scary movie after that growing up not scared one bit. Over 30 years later the Conjuring comes out. This time with all our high tech HT equipment. And lots of subwoofage. "Oh look, The Conjuring is a true story". Ha,ha, let's watch it. Let me make some popcorn first. 1 hour in, no ones eating popcorn. Wife, is saying "oh sh!t, oh sh!t, oh sh!t!" through the whole movie. Son, is covering he's ears. I'm glued to the seat, literally holding on with a shocked and freaked out face. Daughter? Well she was the smart one. Locked herself in my bedroom watching Little Mermaid.
Now, I recently found a used BD copy of Exorcism of Emily Rose. Heard it had some serious bass too. And freaky scary. Already 2 months owning the copy and still haven't watched it yet. Can't find anyone to watch it with. I think I'm gonna make a gtg with my friends at my place have a few and pop that title in with out them knowing. smile.gif
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Same here. When I was little, I watched The Exorcist. Scared the crap out of me. Then any scary movie after that growing up not scared one bit. Over 30 years later the Conjuring comes out. This time with all our high tech HT equipment. And lots of subwoofage. "Oh look, The Conjuring is a true story". Ha,ha, let's watch it. Let me make some popcorn first. 1 hour in, no ones eating popcorn. Wife, is saying "oh sh!t, oh sh!t, oh sh!t!" through the whole movie. Son, is covering he's ears. I'm glued to the seat, literally holding on with a shocked and freaked out face. Daughter? Well she was the smart one. Locked herself in my bedroom watching Little Mermaid.
Now, I recently found a used BD copy of Exorcism of Emily Rose. Heard it had some serious bass too. And freaky scary. Already 2 months owning the copy and still haven't watched it yet. Can't find anyone to watch it with. I think I'm gonna make a gtg with my friends at my place have a few and pop that title in with out them knowing. smile.gif

funny thing is that the Exorcist never did scare me as a kid. Only movie to freak me out as a kid was Hellraiser, but other than that, I had a pretty good tolerance towards scary movies. Fast forward to today with lossless audio and great use of bass, I tend to get more creeped out by scary movies nowadays, even if they end up being dumb movies, but the chills for me are created by the audio. The Conjuring and Sinister for me are good examples, even though Sinister got a little dumb at the end, still a fun movie to show for when you want to scare someone.
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I love horror movies but when I was a kid the movie that scared me was Trilogy of Terror. That little doll with the knife scared the crap out of me. 😁⊙_⊙
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This is a drive by log in/post. I bought The Conjuring a little while ago....and just finished watching it. Now...I watched it alone, un-distracted, at night, in the mostly-dark, at -18db.

That is hands down the most immersive, freaky, actually scary movie I have ever seen. I don't get scared by movies. I can sometimes be startled, or grossed out, or sad, but scared? No.

This movie scared me. 

At one point in the movie a lightbulb was broken, and I swear to God the only light I had on in the house flickered at that exact moment. 

At another point the bass was off the charts (it did that a lot) and stuff in the movie was being knocked off the wall...family pictures to be exact...and several of our family pictures were knocked off a table in the room by the bass...I jumped out of my skin and my two big dogs both freaked out went on alert and started pacing and looking around which frankly freaked me out, because...well...f--- me.

Another time I swear I saw something moving out of the corner of my eye, in my house, similar to in the movie. **** is creepy man. Obviously the movie got into my head. The massive bass (all I have is a single corner loaded PB-2000) was a pivotal factor in drawing me in. 

Haha...biggrin.gif That movie made me realize that I had a broken voice coil on one of my HSU subs as I was watching it !! Do you think after watching it for yourself it deserves better than a 3.5 star BASS rating ?
I sure do !! biggrin.gif
I thought it was a "great" scary movie that had some slamming bass hands down.

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