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Personally, I did not find the mix that good. Aside from the weak bass, surround effects weren't used that well. It was clear and understandable but it didn't have the same kind of flair I expect from say, actual Marvel Studios movies, Prometheus/Avatar/Oblivion etc.. I watched Cap 2 just the day before and was blown away, then was dismayed at how weak DoFP was in comparison.

It isn't just that it is too low for my system either... I am used to the tortured sounds my sub makes when it tries to dig too deep, hahah. There just isn't much going on. I am hoping it is a bad release but the other stuff I have got from the same group is spectacular so who knows.
What speakers and subs are you running? Ported>Sealed?
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OK! You were right I did enjoy this movie very much! The story was good, but the audio track and the BASS was great. It was mentioned above that when the airships took off all he#* broke loose which was a good thing.

It may not have sounded that good in the theater for you, but I'm thinking you'll definitely give your subs a workout!

Oh! Where can I buy an SUV like Nick Fury's?
Whoo Hoo !! I picked up my copy from BB today and will crank it up this Saturday evening. I was hoping that it would turn out to have good bass once on BD and by your description I will be smiling on Saturday. The theater we went to is probably not the best as I frequent it often and have never been impressed by the Bass.
Haha.. Well in my case to get an SUV like Nick's I will need to hit the Lotto !!!
Glad you enjoyed the movie .
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I use the last sequence in Cabin in the Woods to set my sub's level. If it doesn't throb and rattle the walls with that, it will work perfectly with everything else.
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Ralph Potts reviewed the submarine movie PHANTOM some while ago. He didn't seem to like it much, and it appears it was similarly dismissed by those posting in his review space. Just had to chime in here, though I have little time just now to do it justice. A rare case of Ralph dropping the ball -- or rather I disagree with his assessment of this as not particularly worthy. I found this unappreciated gem to be intelligent and thoroughly enjoyable -- one of the better films I've seen lately...which of course would make little impact without its KILLER SOUND TRACK. The clankthunking of the sub running into stuff rocks my room with LFE authority and sounds like you might expect if you were aboard -- extremely realistic and that is rare, oh so rare quality. Do yourself a favor and pick this up as an unheralded bass monster -- $7 from AMAZON just now......
Yep! Bossobass noted this one a couple years ago, then maxmercy measured it, and it's an ABSOLUTE BASS MONSTER!!!

The only problem is, the sound mix is very poorly done in some respects because the whole thing is riddled with clipping, and it's seriously bad clipping.

But, if you can get over the bad sounds, it has a ****ton of bass. Like, truckloads. I didn't like the movie.

P.S. Atmos for the home is all hype, at least for now. Your system will just default to the TrueHD stream, so it won't be anything extra special.
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Yep! Bossobass noted this one a couple years ago, then maxmercy measured it, and [PHANTOM is] an ABSOLUTE BASS MONSTER!!!

The only problem is, the sound mix is very poorly done in some respects because the whole thing is riddled with clipping, and it's seriously bad clipping.

But, if you can get over the bad sounds, it has a ****ton of bass. Like, truckloads. I didn't like the movie.
Actually, I had never seen any evidence this film had garnered much attention whatsoever outside of Potts' review, which was followed by ten or so posts by members mostly ridiculing its poor box office performance, lack of any pre-release promotion, and thanks for the warnings about mediocrity.

Did not know of any measurements done, just knew how it performed in my HT experience. Which brings me to the "clipping" you mention -- always has eluded me what is meant here. I assume there is some measured truncation of waveforms done electronically, i.e., with a pure signal, which verifies this phenomenon?

Can't say I hear bad sounds, but then most of my assemblage of equipment has been toward the goal of hearing pleasing and exquisite things -- fair to say with lesser grade gear I used to hear harshness and stridency, but it would be helpful to me to have you explain exactly what you mean by "clipping", "bad sound", etc., and where it occurs in this flick -- I'll see what I hear -- also too possibly the latest STAR TREK and SUPER 8, which I've also heard exhibit clipping.

As to the film, can't get better than Ed Harris, and I thought the central unfurling of the mystery and character interaction made for compelling cinema in and around the sub thunks.....
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I'm looking forward to judging for myself as well as lots of people are raving about the audio, and some (bass heads) are not. Will it be another Hobbit in the bass department, or more along the lines of Pacific Rim? If the latter, I will still be thrilled with it as I loved the bass in PR even though I could clearly tell extension was not as good as it could have been. Besides extension, I thought PR did everything else very well and is one of my overall favorite LFE experiences in my theater, so if Godzilla is similar, I will be happy. If Godzilla is closer in experience to Hobbit with lots of missed bass spots, extreme lack of extension and so on, it will go in the trash. Curious to hear it!
you will enjoy it - does not dig very deep but has strong volume levels and well recorded, fun track and film
very similar to PR which I did not like at all on first viewings but now rank much higher and demo at times
not always about how it graphs
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I need to re-watch Phantom - I could only watch it turned down a bit as the neighbours were in, and there were some serious bass hits in it!

The film was... meh... Acting was alright by some but formulaic by others, and the opening sequences are almost "How many clichés can we fit in in 10 minutes?" lol

It does seem to get a bit better as it goes on, though, so I'll have to run it again at a decent volume
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Sorry guys, too lazy to search...

How is Captain America for bass and overall sound? I'm having a movie night tonight and curious about what to expect. I sure hope that it isn't filtered at 30hz like Avengers was!!
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Sorry guys, too lazy to search...

How is Captain America for bass and overall sound? I'm having a movie night tonight and curious about what to expect. I sure hope that it isn't filtered at 30hz like Avengers was!!

Here are the specs from Data-bass


Captain America - The Winter Soldier (7.1 DTS-HD MA)

Level - 4 Stars (110.62dB composite)
Extension - 5 Stars (6Hz)
Dynamics - 5 Stars (28.52dB)
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Captain America - The Winter Soldier (7.1 DTS-HD MA)

Level - 4 Stars (110.62dB composite)
Extension - 5 Stars (6Hz)
Dynamics - 5 Stars (28.52dB)

Oh hell yes. Thanks Wayne.
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Oh yea I knew Captain America had some low stuff even from watching the ripped version. I will be purchasing that BR.


Also I watched Maleficent last night(ripped version), it had some decent bass moments but could not tell if there was much depth. It appears to not have been measured yet. Anybody else watched it yet?
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cap 2.....awesome.

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Oh yea I knew Captain America had some low stuff even from watching the ripped version. I will be purchasing that BR.


Also I watched Maleficent last night(ripped version), it had some decent bass moments but could not tell if there was much depth. It appears to not have been measured yet. Anybody else watched it yet?
I can't post measurements until they're released in retail. For Maleficent (another Skywalker Sounds mix), that's not until Nov. 4th.
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you will enjoy it - does not dig very deep but has strong volume levels and well recorded, fun track and film
very similar to PR which I did not like at all on first viewings but now rank much higher and demo at times
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Great to hear.

Watched Need for Speed last night and thought that mix was fantastic for bass and otherwise/overall! Great stuff
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Great to hear.

Watched Need for Speed last night and thought that mix was fantastic for bass and otherwise/overall! Great stuff
Yeah! Need for Speed was a blast and despite most views on it I'm buying a copy
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Capt America was a good movie and definitely gave my VTF a workout! Another decent movie for bass is Oculus. It isn't a good movie or even a decent horror flick but it has a good amount of rumbling bass kinda like The Conjuring. Worth the rent IMO.
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Great to hear.

Watched Need for Speed last night and thought that mix was fantastic for bass and otherwise/overall! Great stuff
That it is - really enjoyed that one

just viewed new Captain America this afternoon - wow - incredible audio
best overall track have heard in some time
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Yeah! Need for Speed was a blast and despite most views on it I'm buying a copy

The 3d was really well done for that one too.
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The 3d was really well done for that one too.
I told myself last year to pickup some glasses for my 3D capable setup (3yrs running) but put it off yet again! since you mentioned it there was a moment or during my viewing of Need for Speed 2D that made me duck or push back from the onscreen impact! That's rare and now I feel I made need to pony up!
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Lone survivor last night was indeed a memorable experience! OK that may be an understatement It and CATWS may just just seal the year for both bass and mix with a slight nudge to the latter for excellent dialog! but seeing were a the crescendo of the years best now hitting Blu! this call may be premature
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That it is - really enjoyed that one

just viewed new Captain America this afternoon - wow - incredible audio
best overall track have heard in some time
Nice! CA2 up next for me.
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Yeah! Need for Speed was a blast and despite most views on it I'm buying a copy
I would like to check out the 3d at some point, but man the movie I thought was terrible so I dont want to buy it. Only thing that got me through it was the killer A/V! It was total eye and ear candy though!
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How is Captain America for bass and overall sound? I'm having a movie night tonight and curious about what to expect. I sure hope that it isn't filtered at 30hz like Avengers was!!
Gotta rate CAP2 bass very, very highly and overall audio as well. Clean and powerful is a good way to describe it. Yet to see anyone comment negatively on this films much hyped credentials.
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^^ plus a very good movie also.
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Yep! Bossobass noted this one a couple years ago, then maxmercy measured it, and it's an ABSOLUTE BASS MONSTER!!!
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The only problem is, the sound mix is very poorly done in some respects because the whole thing is riddled with clipping, and it's seriously bad clipping.

But, if you can get over the bad sounds, it has a ****ton of bass. Like, truckloads.
I did check out those links and was restricted from the clipping one. I guess it is probably fair to say that the phenomenon of clipping is not very well understood, particularly by me, but I'm trying to get a handle on it.

I assume from the link, it is a measureable deformation of the audio signal across all frequencies one's speaker produces? I have read, and nube here seems to confirm, that the presence of this phenomenon has audible consequences, referring to the effect as "bad sounds".

If someone might have access to the clipping graphic from PHANTOM, what are the associated time signatures? What type of distortion should one expect at those spots? What would cause this clipping to be present on the disc?

Thanks for any help.
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Gotta rate CAP2 bass very, very highly and overall audio as well. Clean and powerful is a good way to describe it. Yet to see anyone comment negatively on this films much hyped credentials.
Excellent movie overall with some great bass on BD. The bass on BD was a lot better than the Theater that I viewed CAWS at. Although in my opinion and on my set up it is not on par with the heavy hitters such as Underworld: Awakening, The Incredible Hulk (2008), Cloverfield(blu-ray).
But still a great film with great bass that is now part of my collection.
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Excellent movie overall with some great bass on BD. The bass on BD was a lot better than the Theater that I viewed CAWS at. Although in my opinion and on my set up it is not on par with the heavy hitters such as Underworld: Awakening, The Incredible Hulk (2008), Cloverfield(blu-ray).
But still a great film with great bass that is now part of my collection.
Glad to hear the movie sounded better on your system so you could enjoy it more. I'm going through bass withdraw as this weekend no bass movies shipped out. I'm due to get Need For Speed tomorrow so that may help curb my cravings.
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