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Uh, yeah -- precisely -- minutes away. Thought I might come to the AUDIO/VISUAL SCIENCES FORUMS, and specifically this whole section dealing with subs and bass and the like, to toss around some concepts. But guess I discovered there are those who like to wax poetic and at length on directing inquiries elsewhere, or dissecting the manner or form of presenting (in my case just responding to) items and issues mentioned where at least my knowledge base could be expanded -- and undoubtedly expanded painlessly by expending even one tenth the energy devoted to the negativism free-flowing herein.

One member went on for hundreds of words explaining what an imposition it was to respond helpfully, and managed to be quite patronizing while not giving the merest hint as to his own advanced understanding.

To all out there who might find yourself leaning to that camp, please remember my AVS handle, know that I might be looking to learn something, know that I apologize in advance for asking, and also know that you can skip my post and not feel the least inclination to respond -- I think it quite likely I will not find it helpful.

And beyond that, from some of the responses I've gotten, as well as those withheld, I think I'm inclined to believe folks are just embarassed to admit they don't have any better understanding than I do. I note my central questions were, and have been to this moment, avoided, though a few have also chimed in with earnest intention to be of service.

Thanks for standing squarely with and for the advancement of knowledge, I'm sure we all appreciate the charitable investment of your time and energies...meant sincerely to those that tried to help, and less sincerely to the rest....
There are lots of threads about clipping in these forums, if you'd care to do the research--that's what the search button is for. You have been given the cliff notes version of what clipping is in the last couple pages of this thread. It's poor form to expect the people who can really go in depth about it to explain it to you personally, when it's been discussed in depth multiple times.

The reason I referred you to the other site is because it has the EXACT information you asked for--the timestamps of where the clipping occurs. Instead of taking the time or effort to look up the graph, you expect someone to describe to you where the 15-20 plus points of clipping are. Sorry, not gonna do it. Maybe someone else will.

People are very helpful on these forums, but if you feel it too much of an inconvenience on YOUR TIME to do any research whatsoever, then don't be surprised at the less than enthusiastic response you get.
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This thread has taken a crap lately.

Hopefully with Godzilla's release tomorrow it will get back on track (whether the bass is good or bad)
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I hear you. The movie was entertaining to me too but if I stopped to think at all it was a stinker. At the end though I was discussing it with my little brother and he brought up a good point. In the early 90's we played the need for speed game in its original glory on the 3DO and it was way ahead of its time. One of the fun parts was that there were cops everywhere and the race took place on the streets. There really wasn't any background story. When I look at this movie as a video game story, it then isn't quite as bad. I'm sure I'll enjoy this flick the next time even more than the first.
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Great points and I actually did look at it from that perspective as I read that about the film before watching it. Don't get me wrong, it was certainly entertaining in the HT, I just don't want to sit through it again. Well, unless someone loans me a copy of the 3d version so I can check that out since I have heard very good things and I am a 3d fan.

Very good points indeed and something I should've included in the comments I posted on why I liked it so much! My two sons and I had tons of fun with NFS and other car games of days past , it really did bring back some fun memories for us! Funny thing my oldest pointed out and said " yep! a lot of cop cars"
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This thread has taken a crap lately.

Hopefully with Godzilla's release tomorrow it will get back on track (whether the bass is good or bad)

Remember a few months ago! how quiet things got! And now were in full derailment mode


Godzilla should fix this and if not, follow up with Pacific Rim"
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Gotta rate CAP2 bass very, very highly and overall audio as well. Clean and powerful is a good way to describe it. Yet to see anyone comment negatively on this films much hyped credentials.
My thoughts exactly. The bass is great, but more importantly, the overall mix is probably among the better, if not the best I've heard. It's just clean sounding all around, and while I was thinking "full", "powerful" is perhaps a better word.

Edit: On that note, I love the audio so much I've already watched it 3 times since picking up the blu-ray on release day. And of course it helps that it's a pretty good movie, too.

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There are lots of threads about clipping in these forums, if you'd care to do the research--that's what the search button is for. You have been given the cliff notes version of what clipping is in the last couple pages of this thread. It's poor form to expect the people who can really go in depth about it to explain it to you personally, when it's been discussed in depth multiple times.

The reason I referred you to the other site is because it has the EXACT information you asked for--the timestamps of where the clipping occurs. Instead of taking the time or effort to look up the graph, you expect someone to describe to you where the 15-20 plus points of clipping are. Sorry, not gonna do it. Maybe someone else will.

People are very helpful on these forums, but if you feel it too much of an inconvenience on YOUR TIME to do any research whatsoever, then don't be surprised at the less than enthusiastic response you get.
As I've said, it is not the time or effort logging onto the other site. I am just not particularly disposed toward disseminating my personal information indiscriminantly, for the consulting of one graph, which were it presented as was the rest of the information (versus attachment), would have been perfectly accessable as you suggest. And no one who is a member over there and here wants to look for me. I get that, I surely do as of now. Didn't really expect it, per se -- would have been nice if someone had, just as I've lent assist when I thought I could.

But how about does any member here even vaguely recall a scene, any scene, any movie, where they heard recorded clipping that was verified by such measurements? Just directing me there would serve the purpose of me hearing what I can hear, if I've got the movie. The strange part about all this is, I've asked about clipping before, and as you can undoubtedly tell, still have very few answers -- only thing different here is that I pursued the runaround just a bit. Leads me to believe no one has really heard it, or knows much of anything about it. Very curious indeed.
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Remember a few months ago! how quiet things got! And now were in full derailment mode


Godzilla should fix this and if not, follow up with Pacific Rim"
Godzilla won't fix anything, unfortunately. CATWS is much more of a fixer. Godzilla will provide some rumble, but another giant monster movie, Cloverfield, eats it for breakfast.
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Godzilla won't fix anything, unfortunately. CATWS is much more of a fixer. Godzilla will provide some rumble, but another giant monster movie, Cloverfield, eats it for breakfast.

No doubt on CATWS best so far! but I watched it last week and looking forward to Godzilla ! I've been a fan since childhood and hoping for at least "Pacific Rim" fun! I have acquired my second sub and am in the process (yet again) of viewing the big boys with a new here and there. I got WOTW and 9 up next and Cloverfield should make a good third
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Uh, yeah... (on clipping)
I think you bring up a good point Emaych. And although I dont know the answer to your question I do have some insight on the matter. Im not by any means an expert on clipping but I've noticed that Not All clipping sounds bad. I think its the "hard clipping" that has the distorted and harsh sound(?). One of the few cases of harsh sounding clipping I've heard was in Immortals tidal wave sequence. This scene is really really badly audibly clipped it sounds really crunchy. Sunshine for instance according to the db is full of clipping but I've watched this movie many times and never heard bad sounds. My point being: just becuause a mix is clipped Does Not neccesarily mean that it will sound bad. It might have something to do with what frequencies are clipped too. I think the deep bass can get away with this, easier than say.. frequencies over 60/80hz or so.

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And beyond that, from some of the responses I've gotten, as well as those withheld, I think I'm inclined to believe folks are just embarassed to admit they don't have any better understanding than I do.
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As I've said, it is not the time or effort logging onto the other site. I am just not particularly disposed toward disseminating my personal information indiscriminantly, for the consulting of one graph, which were it presented as was the rest of the information (versus attachment), would have been perfectly accessable as you suggest. And no one who is a member over there and here wants to look for me. I get that, I surely do as of now. Didn't really expect it, per se -- would have been nice if someone had, just as I've lent assist when I thought I could.

But how about does any member here even vaguely recall a scene, any scene, any movie, where they heard recorded clipping that was verified by such measurements? Just directing me there would serve the purpose of me hearing what I can hear, if I've got the movie. The strange part about all this is, I've asked about clipping before, and as you can undoubtedly tell, still have very few answers -- only thing different here is that I pursued the runaround just a bit. Leads me to believe no one has really heard it, or knows much of anything about it. Very curious indeed.
I've been following your quest for the holy grail that is clipping in a certain movie at a certain time stamp. Whether we have given you an answer that satisfies you needs, I don't know.

There is not one person on this thread who knows everything about everyone's system. However, there are certain things that will occur across ALL systems. Distortion is one of them. Another thing we don't know is the level of expertise of the person we are responding to. For you, it seems like we are leading you to water, but you're not drinking. Most of the time, a person will come onto a thread curious about their equipment. I know my equipment because I read the manual and follow threads for more advice. If I don't understand something, I ask. Then, at least one person will RESEARCH on the internet to try to answer my question. So, after researching that person's equipment for him, an answer is given. The internet has been around a few years. Doing a search and reading up on it is a very basic function of it.

To come off like you are, "Leads me to believe no one has really heard it, or knows much of anything about it. Very curious indeed." makes me feel like you know more than us on a topic you have no clue on. We have done what you have asked, a few times over. If we are not giving you satisfactory answers to your questions, you can always ask those same questions on another thread or site.
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As I've said, it is not the time or effort logging onto the other site. I am just not particularly disposed toward disseminating my personal information indiscriminantly, for the consulting of one graph, which were it presented as was the rest of the information (versus attachment), would have been perfectly accessable as you suggest. And no one who is a member over there and here wants to look for me. I get that, I surely do as of now. Didn't really expect it, per se -- would have been nice if someone had, just as I've lent assist when I thought I could.

But how about does any member here even vaguely recall a scene, any scene, any movie, where they heard recorded clipping that was verified by such measurements? Just directing me there would serve the purpose of me hearing what I can hear, if I've got the movie. The strange part about all this is, I've asked about clipping before, and as you can undoubtedly tell, still have very few answers -- only thing different here is that I pursued the runaround just a bit. Leads me to believe no one has really heard it, or knows much of anything about it. Very curious indeed.
I'm only a noob but I doubt anyone is going to respond to your seemingly deliberately provocative wording at the end of your post because links to where to find the information have already been provided, so I'm not sure why anyone would want to duplicate effort when a simple link will suffice.

I fully appreciate the desire to minimise your electronic footprint, I am of the same mind myself and rarely give out any personal information that might easily identify me to an unknown-to-me third party, but I doubt that Josh Ricci (also a member on here) who runs the DB site, has the time, energy or inclination to harvest your personal information from the forum database and then attempt to track you down for any particular reason - he doesn't have enough time in the day to post on his own forum very often, nevermind do the subwoofer/driver testing he carries out for the wider community benefit, go out to work to earn money, have a personal life... Equally, nube et al have no access to the database at databass and contribute a great deal of their own time and energy to measuring and graphing and posting new movie information, all for no personal benefit to themselves, while juggling their personal and work lives. So, no offence, but you're not really that important enough to worry about in the big scheme of things.

If you are that worried, just log onto the internet via Tor / A.N.Other proxy access, setup a dummy hushmail account to get access granted, and then let the account lapse while continuing to enjoy the DB forum. As you say, it's not the time and energy you are worried about expending, so it shouldn't be a problem to do so.


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I think you bring up a good point Emaych. And although I dont know the answer to your question I do have some insight on the matter. Im not by any means an expert on clipping but I've noticed that Not All clipping sounds bad. I think its the "hard clipping" that has the distorted and harsh sound(?). One of the few cases of harsh sounding clipping I've heard was in Immortals tidal wave sequence. This scene is really really badly audibly clipped it sounds really crunchy. Sunshine for instance according to the db is full of clipping but I've watched this movie many times and never heard bad sounds. My point being: just becuause a mix is clipped Does Not neccesarily mean that it will sound bad. It might have something to do with what frequencies are clipped too. I think the deep bass can get away with this, easier than say.. frequencies over 60/80hz or so.
Very helpful. Thanks so much. What you suggest, that not all instances of clipping lead to audibly "bad sounds", makes sense to me -- I haven't been hearing it, so it really had me wondering if there exists this element, the presence of which absolutely ruins a soundtrack, but can't be heard...well I guess I see adjusting your judgment of how meritorious the soundtrack is on the basis of it containing an imbedded flaw, but I would tend to evaluate more weighted on the basis of what my ears tell me satisfies.

I don't actually know much technically, but was mystified by folks asserting how horrible some of my favorite tracks were, hence I've pursued this a little. At this stage, think I've gotten over the hump of the confusing of recorded versus amp clipping, seem to have formed a fair understanding of what is being talked about in general, only needed just a couple of time signatures and/or scenes to get to the audibility experiment. So thank you so much for those examples! -- I have both movies and will go back and review.

Didn't imagine that was going to be so hard, but I think I got there. Thanks all for your help!
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To come off like you are, "Leads me to believe no one has really heard it, or knows much of anything about it. Very curious indeed." makes me feel like you know more than us on a topic you have no clue on. We have done what you have asked, a few times over. If we are not giving you satisfactory answers to your questions, you can always ask those same questions on another thread or site.
I'm not very technically sophisticated, no doubt about that, and none of this is pretense, just had my curiosity aroused. I think I have what I need just now, and spent some time here wrangling around about the general flac, even while gathering understanding -- just didn't seem like it was asking that much for one or two time signatures and/or get at something I didn't want to put out my personal info for -- so maybe it appeared my ignorance was surviving in spite of multiple attempts to be helpful, yours included.

Did not know anything of DATABASS and who runs it, so thanks MemX for all that, I'm just as a rule data-share averse -- don't own a cell phone, never have, would never join FACEBOOK, etc.

I've just regarded AVS as a great resource, relatively quick and painless obtaining help -- getting at this one was a bit more challenging than anticipated, but think I got there. Thanks for your assist.
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No doubt on CATWS best so far! but I watched it last week and looking forward to Godzilla ! I've been a fan since childhood and hoping for at least "Pacific Rim" fun! I have acquired my second sub and am in the process (yet again) of viewing the big boys with a new here and there. I got WOTW and 9 up next and Cloverfield should make a good third
WOW !!! What a Bass Feast you are getting ready to have with WOTW , 9 and Cloverfield !!!
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WOW !!! What a Bass Feast you are getting ready to have with WOTW , 9 and Cloverfield !!!
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I wonder if anyone questions why these movies seem to sell so well on blu ray? I mean really Cloverfield? 9? These movies are OK, but would never sell without the sound track. You would think somebody would get the hint.
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I wonder if anyone questions why these movies seem to sell so well on blu ray? I mean really Cloverfield? 9? These movies are OK, but would never sell without the sound track. You would think somebody would get the hint.
My take is....
I keep in mind at all times, that movies are subjective and so are some bass tracks.
With that being said I happen to like 9 and Cloverfield and more so with 9 with or without the bass track. I could watch either one on any given day when I'm in the mood for bass !!
On the other hand I have Frankenstein's Army, Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow in my collection as well and those movies are pretty much a once and done although they are indeed bass monsters in my opinion. Some folks really like those two which is fine.
All I know is I have done a lot of blind buys in the past, based on other posters thoughts and recommendations with no regrets. If the movie arrives on this 5-star bass list that lfe man started years ago it will most likely be in or end up in my collection.
I have spent money on a lot of worse things. (LOL)....
My hope is that somebody would get the hint and have a lot more movies arriving on BD or DVD that have a lot of ULF on the tracks whether one considers it a A, B, or C movie.
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Sweet. Also love the comparison gif.

That does bring up a point that LFE Man made about Cloverfield. He stated that the DVD had better extension than the BR. I wonder if there's any validity to that?
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Sweet. Also love the comparison gif.

That does bring up a point that LFE Man made about Cloverfield. He stated that the DVD had better extension than the BR. I wonder if there's any validity to that?
I don't know. If so, it'd be only the 2nd one validated as truly different, with the first being Master & Commander. I'll queue up the Cloverfield DVD with Netflix and measure/update at some point in the future.
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Thanks Nube and nice comparison. Godzilla looks similar to PR, so I am looking forward to it as I loved that LFE track even in light of the lacking extension (no doubt it would have been better had it dug deeper though). Curious to give it a spin.
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Thanks Nube and nice comparison. Godzilla looks similar to PR, so I am looking forward to it as I loved that LFE track even in light of the lacking extension (no doubt it would have been better had it dug deeper though). Curious to give it a spin.
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Thanks Nube, that looks as expected. What a disappointment. I like the movie so I bought it anyway, but it could have so much more. Seeing WOTW and Cloverfield, these filters that are constantly screwing up great bass potential movies, are getting quite annoying.
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That does bring up a point that LFE Man made about Cloverfield...
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I don't know. If so, it'd be only the 2nd one validated as truly different...

Cloverfield DvD is Unfiltered. It used to be common knowledge around here too. Its like we're living in the dark ages of bass science.
Cloverfield Retail BD vs. Cloverfield Retail DvD


While on the topic of Cloverfield...Why is the DB's Cloverfield measurement filtered at 30hz? This doesnt sound strange to anyone?. Because although Cloverfield BD IS filtered. Im pretty sure its filtered at 10hz not 30hz... These are the two Cloverfield scenes from the official bass demo disc which were taken from the Full Retail BD of Cloverfield.
Liberty Head scene

Street Shootout scene


Note: Both scenes are strong to 10hz
Next I measured 3 different retail BD copies of Cloverfield to try and find one that resembles the Db's filtered version.


Some variation in level but clearly all Filtered at just under 10hz.
Here is the DB's measurement for comparison

Note: Heavily filtered somewhere around 30hz.
I am led to believe the filtering is the result of the fact that the Databass' measurement was taken from a Netflix rented disc and not a Full Retail BD Copy. This is why I always measure from full retail BD's unless otherwise noted(early release etc.) I could be wrong but the evidence is quite overwhelming that the Retail BD of Cloverfield is not filtered at 30hz. There has been at lot of cheap shots thrown at cloverfield recently, like comparing it to Pacific Rim & Oblivion etc... But Id like to see it get the recognition its devasting soundtrack deserves. Will the real cloverfield please stand up?
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There has been at lot of cheap shots thrown at cloverfield recently, like comparing it to Pacific Rim & Oblivion etc... But Id like to see it get the recognition its devasting soundtrack deserves. [SIZE=3]Will the real cloverfield please stand up? [/SIZE]
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I don't know. If so, it'd be only the 2nd one validated as truly different, with the first being Master & Commander. I'll queue up the Cloverfield DVD with Netflix and measure/update at some point in the future.
My apologies if I missed it but, have you measured the Godzilla DVD compared to the BD to see if there's any difference?
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You will definitely enjoy the sound track on NFS as it is a nice treat !!! I watched it a few weeks back and was impressed with the bass and surround sound mix. I have reservation with this movie because of the old school muscle cars that were in it. I grew up with some of those cars and some of my friends had cams, big blocks etc.
Crank it up and it will bring a . Now the acting and story line, well.....Um you will have to decide.
I got to watch NFS last night. Yes indeed the soundtrack was good and had me ! To bad the video game of this movie I played back in the day did not sound this good.

I did know going into this that a story had to be thought up, for you can't just have racing cars and cops the whole movie or can you? IMO it was not as bad as I thought it may be. Loved seeing all the cars from the souped up muscle to the exotic.
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Great post, Spidey!! Now we're talking!

I'd always regarded Cloverfield as one of my favorites, but thought maybe my mind was playing tricks on me. I know that to my ears, it doesn't sound incrementally better than Godzilla or PR, but according to the graphs....

And I also seem to remember someone, somewhere (perhaps in this thread?) saying that the BR actually got that low. I dunno.

All that said.....I'm buying the DVD!
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