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Great post! That's pretty definitive. I don't remember ever seeing it mentioned that there were different mixes. I'll have to see if I can find a cheap copy of the Cloverfield BD to spin in my system and remeasure. The Netflix rental BD must have had a neutered mix. Odd, if so!

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I don't usually measure multiple formats of a movie unless there's a compelling reason to do so. In the case of Godzilla, I measured the full retail BD, as I do for almost all new releases. Nobody else I've seen has thought it was unfiltered on the DVD, so chances are I won't bother with it.


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spidey.joe80:

Great post! That's pretty definitive. I don't remember ever seeing it mentioned that there were different mixes. I'll have to see if I can find a cheap copy of the Cloverfield BD to spin in my system and remeasure. The Netflix rental BD must have had a neutered mix. Odd, if so!

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I don't usually measure multiple formats of a movie unless there's a compelling reason to do so. In the case of Godzilla, I measured the full retail BD, as I do for almost all new releases. Nobody else I've seen has thought it was unfiltered on the DVD, so chances are I won't bother with it.
If you ever come across a Blu-Ray of any movie that has the words "Rental Copy" printed on it the sound will be neutered. I found that the every single "Rental Copy" disc (that I have come across) is pressed on a single layer 25gb disc instead of a the typical dual-layer 50GB discs used by most releases. To save space, the first thing they alter is the sound files since most people that rent don't have high end audio systems. Most of the time the rental copies don't even include the the HD verison of the audio at all and only include standard Dolby, or when they have the HD version it is usually more compressed.
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I got to watch NFS last night. Yes indeed the soundtrack was good and had me ! To bad the video game of this movie I played back in the day did not sound this good.

I did know going into this that a story had to be thought up, for you can't just have racing cars and cops the whole movie or can you? IMO it was not as bad as I thought it may be. Loved seeing all the cars from the souped up muscle to the exotic.
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If you ever come across a Blu-Ray of any movie that has the words "Rental Copy" printed on it the sound will be neutered. I found that the every single "Rental Copy" disc (that I have come across) is pressed on a single layer 25gb disc instead of a the typical dual-layer 50GB discs used by most releases. To save space, the first thing they alter is the sound files since most people that rent don't have high end audio systems. Most of the time the rental copies don't even include the the HD verison of the audio at all and only include standard Dolby, or when they have the HD version it is usually more compressed.
I disagree. I get "Rental Copy" discs from Netflix all the time, and they have all had the full retail lossless HD mixes, with the only exceptions being Lionsgate films, which have the lossy encoding only.


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I completely understand your point that you don't want to join another site for info. I don't even know why it is ethical for someone to constantly promote another site on this thread but maybe they have some agreement or sponsorship with AVS. I have to say it is somewhat annoying to me that some people act like it is our obligation as members here, to be a member over there. To me if people want to vote and participate and what not over there, they will. Not sure why we need to be constantly reminded that other site exist.

With all that said, I do agree that Google is a wonderful tool and should be used more often. If Google sends you to Databass.com for the info you are searching for than so be it.
Thank you for that. I do very much limit info given, even in terms of telephone numbers, email address, etc. What was involved here was my request that someone who is graph savvy and belongs to AVS and DATABASS, simply click over there, open the attachment, pick one or two "egregious" examples of clipping, and come back with the time signatures.



I had cited the movie PHANTOM as having an extraordinary low frequency output, and was happy to pass that along to the bass-eager fanatics herein -- after all, I'd recently purchased my CAP S2s on the basis of what was written herein, and I've ordered many movies just for their bass content as noted in these pages. Beyond the bass content, I thought PHANTOM exhibited superior transparency and dynamics -- an overall excellent track.



So then someone arises to inform that the track is riddled with bad sounds. Irredeemably flawed. Is there something amiss with my hearing? Two pairs of $30K speakers, one pair of $15k speakers for centers, $15k on amps, and more speakers and a pair of CAP S2s didn't allow me to hear fatal distortion? My curiosity is indeed aroused, but if casual listening didn't get me there, one or two time signatures on where the bad sounds can be found will have me going back and listening very critically.



I'm a member looking to expand my knowledge, someone has stepped forth with an important challenge, so what was involved was a graph-savvy member of AVS and DATABASS clicking on the link and retrieving a couple of prominent examples of where my equipment and hearing failed me. But what I get is not the usual helpfulness, but a barrage of extended criticism about how I should not expect that two minute favor, that I'm not important enough, etc.



The protest is so amazing, I'm really wondering what is going on, and frankly it did occur to me that there was some motivation afoot to get members to enlist on that site -- to get to that info, you NEED to join, no one here going to help you -- proselytization in effect. Either that, or the Emperor has no clothes -- in other words, this "bad sound" riddled track, that may measure out as having imbedded clipping, really has no audible corollary of that, and this is something I would find out if I knew the offending time signatures.



I will continue to investigate this, especially now, because all the resistance I got really has raised the stakes for what is going on here.



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You asked where, we told you where and how to find the info yourself (to, as you put it, "expand [your] knowledge"), but you refused and expected other people to do it for you. Then they did, and yet you continue to harp on it. At this point, it looks like you're just trolling. Please let it lay.
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I will continue to investigate this, especially now, because all the resistance I got really has raised the stakes for what is going on here.
Really? Lmao. Just a bit dramatic, dontcha think?
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I disagree. I get "Rental Copy" discs from Netflix all the time, and they have all had the full retail lossless HD mixes, with the only exceptions being Lionsgate films, which have the lossy encoding only.
Very curious, seems I have just been unlucky in my "Rental Copy" selections. I wonder if it makes any difference that I stopped my Netflix DVD sub and started only using RedBox.

But either way it has put a bad enough taste in my mouth that I often don't watch a "Rental Copy" unless it is a film I have not seen before. I just return it right away and contact RedBox for a refund which they are usually very happy to do.
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I disagree. I get "Rental Copy" discs from Netflix all the time, and they have all had the full retail lossless HD mixes, with the only exceptions being Lionsgate films, which have the lossy encoding only.
+1. While I have not measured any tracks, the only lossy DD I have seen from NF or RB has been with Lionsgate and their subsidiary company which I believe is Summit (?).
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You asked where, we told you where and how to find the info yourself (to, as you put it, "expand [your] knowledge"), but you refused and expected other people to do it for you. Then they did, and yet you continue to harp on it. At this point, it looks like you're just trolling. Please let it lay.
There you are! You were the one to confirm the outstanding bass of PHANTOM -- that was why I came here, to make note of that -- but you also maligned the overall track as containing audible bad sounds riddled all over the place. A fair characterization of your assertion?



And here you are again, not with the requested time signatures, an easy enough thing to do, but instead investing even more of your time/energies to protest that what I'm doing is wrong -- now intimating I'm a troll just for following up on something you said -- that sounds suspiciously like a personal attack to me.



Just for clarity and accuracy, let us be clear -- no one to date has volunteered the time signatures --
I will get them, be assured of that, just as I am assured you will, for your own motivations, do everything you can, including being at the spearfront of a personal attack, to impede this.



As reminder: you brought this up. I followed up and, quite the opposite of what you are saying above, no one has stepped forth to volunteer the time signatures, unless I missed that post -- please feel free to shame me by quoting it directly. What you advised me to do was join another site -- is that why this is so important to you? -- or is it that the bad sounds on the bass-heavy track of PHANTOM cannot really be heard, as you said they could?



Also for clarity, only one member stepped forth to characterize what sound I should be looking to hear with clipping -- of course you said "bad" sounds, but I didn't hear any, so why not cough up the signatures? -- do a fellow bass-head a solid, a small enough thing to ask, I should think.



You seem extraordinarily committed to cloaking what you yourself brought up --now a personal attack -- something very very curious going on here....

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Thank you for that. I do very much limit info given, even in terms of telephone numbers, email address, etc. What was involved here was my request that someone who is graph savvy and belongs to AVS and DATABASS, simply click over there, open the attachment, pick one or two "egregious" examples of clipping, and come back with the time signatures.



I had cited the movie PHANTOM as having an extraordinary low frequency output, and was happy to pass that along to the bass-eager fanatics herein -- after all, I'd recently purchased my CAP S2s on the basis of what was written herein, and I've ordered many movies just for their bass content as noted in these pages. Beyond the bass content, I thought PHANTOM exhibited superior transparency and dynamics -- an overall excellent track.



So then someone arises to inform that the track is riddled with bad sounds. Irredeemably flawed. Is there something amiss with my hearing? Two pairs of $30K speakers, one pair of $15k speakers for centers, $15k on amps, and more speakers and a pair of CAP S2s didn't allow me to hear fatal distortion? My curiosity is indeed aroused, but if casual listening didn't get me there, one or two time signatures on where the bad sounds can be found will have me going back and listening very critically.



I'm a member looking to expand my knowledge, someone has stepped forth with an important challenge, so what was involved was a graph-savvy member of AVS and DATABASS clicking on the link and retrieving a couple of prominent examples of where my equipment and hearing failed me. But what I get is not the usual helpfulness, but a barrage of extended criticism about how I should not expect that two minute favor, that I'm not important enough, etc.



The protest is so amazing, I'm really wondering what is going on, and frankly it did occur to me that there was some motivation afoot to get members to enlist on that site -- to get to that info, you NEED to join, no one here going to help you -- proselytization in effect. Either that, or the Emperor has no clothes -- in other words, this "bad sound" riddled track, that may measure out as having imbedded clipping, really has no audible corollary of that, and this is something I would find out if I knew the offending time signatures.



I will continue to investigate this, especially now, because all the resistance I got really has raised the stakes for what is going on here.



Thank you for your post, friend.
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There you are! You were the one to confirm the outstanding bass of PHANTOM -- that was why I came here, to make note of that -- but you also maligned the overall track as containing audible bad sounds riddled all over the place. A fair characterization of your assertion?



And here you are again, not with the requested time signatures, an easy enough thing to do, but instead investing even more of your time/energies to protest that what I'm doing is wrong -- now intimating I'm a troll just for following up on something you said -- that sounds suspiciously like a personal attack to me.



Just for clarity and accuracy, let us be clear -- no one to date has volunteered the time signatures --
I will get them, be assured of that, just as I am assured you will, for your own motivations, do everything you can, including being at the spearfront of a personal attack, to impede this.



As reminder: you brought this up. I followed up and, quite the opposite of what you are saying above, no one has stepped forth to volunteer the time signatures, unless I missed that post -- please feel free to shame me by quoting it directly. What you advised me to do was join another site -- is that why this is so important to you? -- or is it that the bad sounds on the bass-heavy track of PHANTOM cannot really be heard, as you said they could?



Also for clarity, only one member stepped forth to characterize what sound I should be looking to hear with clipping -- of course you said "bad" sounds, but I didn't hear any, so why not cough up the signatures? -- do a fellow bass-head a solid, a small enough thing to ask, I should think.



You seem extraordinarily committed to cloaking what you yourself brought up --now a personal attack -- something very very curious going on here....
Gotta find the ignore button.....
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Really? Lmao. Just a bit dramatic, dontcha think?
I'm funny that way -- if there seems to be something spurious afoot, it really arouses my curiosity. Here we weigh perhaps two minutes spent to retrieve time signatures versus, shall we say, ten, fifteen, twenty...? explaining why it is wrong to ask.

If I'm not mistaken, you were the one to assert I was not worth looking up the signatures? -- pretty harsh don't you think? -- especially given that you are presenting yourself here still enlisted in the cause of... I guess, trying to be embarrass me for injecting hieghtened drama? To be clear, my use of the term "investigate" was meant casually, not in the journalistic sense -- this is minor curiosity on the scale of things, to be sure, but something is not lining up.....
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Looks like the trend continues. Really guys, I do have something else to do today, and will get to that just now. You of course may continue to round up the posse for the offense of one member responding to another -- an inquiry on a point made. Why all this fuss? It gets thicker....stay tuned, but for now I've got to go....
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If I'm not mistaken, you were the one to assert I was not worth looking up the signatures? -- pretty harsh don't you think?
Yep, sure was.

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The reason I referred you to the other site is because it has the EXACT information you asked for--the timestamps of where the clipping occurs. Instead of taking the time or effort to look up the graph, you expect someone to describe to you where the 15-20 plus points of clipping are. Sorry, not gonna do it. Maybe someone else will.
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As one of the (apparently very few) members that actually liked Cloverfield, I'm really interested in this DVD vs Bluray conversation. I own the movie, but it's never been one of my demos. It just couldn't stand up to WOTW or TIH. Maybe if I go buy the DVD it will!

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So we can move on: STiD clipping from DB.

One time stamp that was used as the poster child for clipping was the 6:00 mark. Check the center channel and sub.
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As one of the (apparently very few) members that actually liked Cloverfield, I'm really interested in this DVD vs Bluray conversation. I own the movie, but it's never been one of my demos. It just couldn't stand up to WOTW or TIH. Maybe if I go buy the DVD it will!
I have the BD and all of this time I thought it was bomb with bass !! lfe man thread starter informed me otherwise about the dvd version. post #17731 of 17930 and post #17745 of 17931
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So we can move on: STiD clipping from DB.

One time stamp that was used as the poster child for clipping was the 6:00 mark. Check the center channel and sub.
Thanks for that, friend, I'm betting that should give me a good idea of what we are talking about.

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Yep, sure was.
Personally not a fan of entitlement or laziness. But have fun continuing to flog this issue.
Of course I have said I didn't want to join any more sites than I am now a member of. Stated it clearly several times. I'm assuming you find that a worthy objection, since you do not attack that, but instead pursue the straw men of "entitlement", "laziness", I'm not worth it, etc.

I'm pretty sure we do not know one another, yet you seem highly motivated to belittle me in absence of much information. I merely wanted to extol the virtues of bass impact of PHANTOM -- something people do every day here. The member above has just provided, with very little intrigue or drama, the simple thing I requested.

Now we will see what we see, you are of course welcome to continue on with your personal disparagement of me, if you that that satisfies some motivation which remains unspoken. Thanks so much for your help, brother, I do wish you well.
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Thanks for that, friend, I'm betting that should give me a good idea of what we are talking about.
I sent you a PM with the clipping info you are looking for. PM me back if you need anymore help.

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^ I think if you go on the quest and find the clipping timestamps yourself as you hinted that you were about to do if I read you right and do provide some findings on the topic here that you would have translated all this into some positive contribution towards measurement and perception of the issue. I'd be interested in hearing what your actual findings and impressions are after you actually do dig deeper into the issue and start comparing the sounds for yourself.
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Consider this a flag. The mods will have some cleaning to do. Let's get back to the bass shall we.
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I sent you a PM with the clipping info you are looking for. PM me back if you need anymore help.
I did PM you just now, good brother -- your willingness to be of some positve contribution is most appreciated, particularly in this incomprehensibly bizarre environment.
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Are we allowed to post that clipping graph (from Databass) here? I figured since Nube is always promoting Databass.com on this thread than it should be perfectly fine to share stuff from there here. Just don't want to step on any toes posting a image from one site to another.

I will post it for Emaych and everyone else who may want to see it. I'm just not sure if it's allowed since everyone else seemed to dodge his simple request and chose to make a big deal out of it.

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Alright! back to the business at hand. My copy of Godzilla arrived today and as soon as the sun goes down either I'll post back with or or In the end I'm just hoping for a good cinematic experience with a movie I had to miss in the theaters along with one or two more. I hope everyone else who's watching doesn't let the little bass head in us miss out on what I'm hoping to be a good movie, that is unless it tries to dethrone the "Hobbit" in which case the little bass head will cause may-hem havoc and destruction
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Let me know if its a buy and watch again one!
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