Originally Posted by Emaych
Of course I have a few reactions to that. I had asked for something specific, i.e., time stamps. Then got a whole lot of "Nah gunna dooote!" (best Dana Carvey doing Herbert Walker). Fine. What I really can't get is folks investing so so much time and effort into explaining how it can't get done. If I saw something I didn't want to help on, I'd move on.
This was not a matter of (at least a good number) folks trying to figure out what would work to provide assist, it was a general refusal, some close-to name calling, and then a rush of snipers to suppress the inquiry. Really weird, don't you think? And now I'm just a dumb rock who is just going to sink sink away. Thanks so much for your graciousness, good brother. Anyway, I do know how to do all the things advised -- go elsewhere mostly...
Some of the 'unhelpful' responses as you deem them are due to the fact that certain topics come up fairly frequently, and oftentimes, have already been discussed ad-infinitum. Some members posted exactly where you could find the information you were looking for and received a "Nah gunna dooote" response from you due to your reticence to take the time to look in the provided location (sure you may not want to share your email info somewhere, which is why I have several email accounts that I use for various purposes, AND there are proxies that can be used as well).
For some reason or another, there are many people who feel that their time is more valuable than anyone else's (not saying that you are one of those), and feel that everyone else should spend their own time to spoon feed them information because they can't be bothered to spend the time to search for the information themselves. The frequency with which these types of people pop up, asking for information that has already been previously provided, while not even being willing to take the time to look for it and simply expecting other folks to take their time to find it and lay it out for them makes some folks reticent to spoon feed (as they see it) anyone. Don't take it personally if you ask for information and are directed somewhere you can find it, but choose not to head down the path you're directed to where you can find the answers you've been looking for. It is simply because many others have asked the same things, but then expected to be carried down that path as opposed to walking down it themselves.
That said, a couple of examples of audible clipping are, as mentioned, in the movie 'The Immortals' when one of the gods of Olympus dives into the ocean and causes a tsunami. Another couple of examples are in the movie Tron: Legacy when the lead actor first enters The Grid. The jets from those big flying things are clipped in the recording, but this is likely an artistic choice to produce a desired sound effect (the sounds of jets in many movies are intentionally clipped as these same sounds in real life can be distorted in our hearing). However, in Tron:Legacy, there are other examples of recorded clipping that are probably not intentional as a sound effect, and this is evident in the soundtrack's music during the air battle sequences near the end of the movie. Another example is when the big ship crashes into the ocean in the 2nd half of Star Trek:Into Darkness.
As far as timestamps go, I haven't watched these movies recently (eg. only watched 'Immortals' once, when I first acquired it on BD when it was released), so you'll have to locate these scenes yourself which is not difficult and just takes a little time. Now if someone were to respond, "Yes, but what are the exact timestamps for these scenes you've mentioned?", that would
be viewed as an example of the lazy/entitled types who feel that their time is more important than anyone else's and can't be bothered to find these scenes themselves and instead, expect others to spend their
time to find these scenes and the specific timestamps for them.
In a revealing system, this clipping is heard as distortion. The square waves produced by exceeding the clip limits of the recording/mastering chain tend to introduce odd-order harmonics in the audio. The perception of this is not an easy thing to explain in words. Some call it a "harsh" sound, or "crunchy" sound", or a "scratchy" sound. Some hear a combination of "muffled" primary tones coupled with the distortion.
The reason some folks hear it and others don't is a combination of equipment chain AND individual sensitivity to distortion. I for one, have had a lot of experience with Professional Sound Reinforcement (eg, concerts, pro-touring equipment, raves etc.), and could/can hear when the equipment chain is being pushed near its limits and is beginning to distort (or has been pushed past its limits and is well into the distortion range).
As other folks have mentioned, there is a difference between clipping due to the audio chain for reproduction, vs clipping inherent in the recording. An extremely capable audio reproduction system reduces the chances of hearing clipping resulting from exceeding the limits of the reproduction system (i.e. having clip lights appear on the amps in the system, or hitting the mechanical limits of the drivers). With a system capable of clean reproduction to the maximum SPLs that will ever be reached in playback, you will never hear clipping/distortion caused by the playback/reproduction chain. Clipping that is in the recording on the other hand, is inherent in the recording and can be heard in revealing systems even at lower volumes because it is IN the recording (although it may be less obvious, and less noticeable at lower volumes).
In this sense, the difference can be thought of as akin to the differences between watching a 60fps video vs a 24fps movie on old school LCD vs old school CRT. The 60fps video has inherently less motion blur due to the higher frame rate and shorter exposure times. It creates that smooth, sharp picture folks associate with the 'video' or SOE look. Viewed on a CRT, this produced a picture that was sharp and smooth. Older LCD displays though, would create blur due to the slow LCD lag/response times. This was due to the playback chain's inadequacies. OTOH, 24fps has motion blur baked-in the recorded material (an inherent artifact due to the slower exposure times used to blend frames at the slower 24fps rate). Even on a CRT, 24fps exhibits much more motion blur than 60fps, but a slow response LCD can introduce even more artifacts.
As a sidenote, most folks are less sensitive to distortion that occurs mostly in the lowest bass octaves. We have a natural tendency to be more sensitive to distortion in the mids and higher frequencies where our hearing is most sensitive (especially in the vocal range of a woman/child's scream).
If you do a Google search on 'clipping' and 'distortion', there are numerous websites that actually have audio clips of the exact same soundbytes/audio tracks clipped vs unclipped (and there are specific links to some of these examples on the databass forum somewhere.). Again, it's been a long time since I've searched for/viewed those and I don't have the links readily available, but they were easy to find the last time I looked, thus if someone were to respond, "Yes, but what are the SPECIFIC links?", it would be viewed as an example of, "I can't be bothered to spend MY time looking for this information, so I want YOU or someone else to spend YOUR time to find it for me". But from what I've read, you appear to be someone genuinely interested in learning more about this topic and simply a little cautious about restricting your digital footprint on the internet. The majority of the links I recall seeing online with audio tracks exhibiting the differences between clipped and unclipped material did NOT require you to register to view/hear them though.
Now all that said, as someone else has mentioned, ignorance can be bliss. A lot of folks I know don't care about, and are completely oblivious to the many artifacts that AVS'ers obsess about. Most of the regular folks I know have no idea about Dirty Screen Effect, Vertical Banding, crushed blacks, clipped whites, poor contrast, green/red/blue push, audible distortion and clipping, uncalibrated/poor frequency response, bass ringing, comb filtering, bass nulls etc. and they're blissful in their ignorance, whereas once you research and teach yourself to identify these artifacts, it's difficult to avoid noticing them from that point onwards.