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post #18001 of 25603 Old 09-19-2014, 10:29 PM
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I don't care what the graphs say Godzillas audio track was amazing! the bottom end shook my apt as well as my neighbors! Nice wide huge 7.1 goodness.
+ 1 Good Lord I was scared that my windows would shatter !!! If there is to be another Jurassic Park they have got there work cut out for them . Absolute BASS BEAST of a track ! .
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In my 5 star bass fest V2.0 (addition of a second sub ) I've made a grave mistake ! I started with WOTW now its all down hill from here it can never be said enough just why it's the herald champ! This was a great experience to say the least and I'm none the less I'm still looking forward to the next one despite my error in watching the best of the best first Perhaps Wrath of the Titans will be next
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This is a movies with bass thread! while hard to remember at times 20-30hz is bass and is low bass frequencies and make no mistake about it ! Mid bass, upper bass, ELF/ULF is bass as well just another part of the beautiful bass rainbow and none of it should be discredited. if one has the gumption to go down deep in the rabbit hole , its good to know that there are tracks that dwell there , not all but there are plenty.

So 1-??? this is a movies with bass thread!

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Thank's I plan to enjoy that is why I'm happy to hear good report's for this film no matter the range of bass. I like all bass and may never be able to go down into the rabbit hole to reach single digit's, but am happy for those that can.. It was stated no matter what the graphs said it is still a bass movie. I'm still learning here and have yet to take the time to fully interpret graphs. As mentioned in your take if you liked Pacific Rim then you'll like this.

I guess all I'm trying to garner from the post's for me is if my old friend Godzilla is taking a scenic stroll through downtown Tokyo I'm happy to know I'll get to experience it also.
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Wowzers... Edge of Tomorrow DTSHD-MA 7.1:

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How accurate is that? Looks pretty good.
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i just finished my second viewing of catws at full reference volume 0 instead of -5 for the first viewing .
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was just incredilbe and at this point we may beable to pronuce it king 5 star bass movie of the year! End of story! :d
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Captain American The Winter Soldier

I can't stand the abbreviations myself but it is also a pain to type such a long title.
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Wowzers... Edge of Tomorrow DTSHD-MA 7.1:
Not sure how they mixed it, but at -30 db my pb13 nearly died using 10hz tuning.
Normally I never even use the subsonic filter even with audyssey dyn eq (and yes i watched all 5 bass rated movies..), but on this movie even with the subsonic filter on 10hz and dyneq OFF, the last note is way too loud and low.

!!Caution!! when playing this movie, its frigging low volume till the bass hits which is 30db louder than most other movies.

Especially for the people without subsonic filter, kinda amazed my bk xls200-DF didn't die since we watched the movie on that first at -15db, the peerless woofer hit the ground though.
If the cinema version is mixed similar, I sure hope they have subsonic filters or they can order new subwoofers all over.

Here is the spectrum from it (bear with me, first time i done this..not sure if volume is right..):

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That's why Godzilla got a and Edge of Tomorrow got a .

But, just note, as MrKazador did last week in reply, that those big spikes in Edge of Tomorrow are all at the very beginning. Impressive, but not enough to make the BR a bass monster by itself. More to come...
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How are you guys able to listen at 0 on the AVR? I get to -15 and it's getting too loud, you guys watch a full movie at 0 and your hearing is still ok?

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How are you guys able to listen at 0 on the AVR? I get to -15 and it's getting too loud, you guys watch a full movie at 0 and your hearing is still ok?
It really depends on the movie, but usually i watch between -13 and -16.
-10 with quiet movies.

Btw i think i found why edge of tomorrow was that loud, they seem to have mixed the LFE content in 2 channels.
The center (?) channel is even louder than the LFE one, clearly clipping, even though its not reaching 1.0 for some reason. (probably to do with the dts offset value's, or something similar)

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How are you guys able to listen at 0 on the AVR? I get to -15 and it's getting too loud, you guys watch a full movie at 0 and your hearing is still ok?
I think if you have a fully treated room you can listen louder as there isn't as many reflections and ringing sounds
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How are you guys able to listen at 0 on the AVR? I get to -15 and it's getting too loud, you guys watch a full movie at 0 and your hearing is still ok?
I'm mostly a -10 to -17.5 type listener and save the louder levels (Reference or -5) for times when the action gets going (adrenaline rush). This can be on a content bases as well , some mixes have enough dynamic range ( your system as well) to sound pleasing at all levels with reference level being the calibrated spec for volume. If your system has the head room sometimes with the right source I'll even do +3db over reference level. now before anyone says I'm def I listen 95% of the time to classical & Jazz at -35 to -28 I've carefully insured I have adequate power on tap for clean playback . So if you haven't as mentioned above treat the room and strive for a system ( if you haven't already ) with matched amps and speakers regarding there power handling which can be achieved also by using a crossover to them say 80hz or so to increase headroom

If you know this stuff already disregard
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How are you guys able to listen at 0 on the AVR? I get to -15 and it's getting too loud, you guys watch a full movie at 0 and your hearing is still ok?
IMO, your question is almost impossible to answer because there are so many variables to what your -15 is to what my -15 is.

At your place -15 could represent 120DB output vs. someone else's -15 could represent 100DB output. That is an incredible difference between the 2.

with that said...I listen to -10 at my place and with heavy action type movies...I'm well over 120DB's output at that volume level...AND I LOVE IT!!!!

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Wowzers... Edge of Tomorrow DTSHD-MA 7.1:

OMG...I can't wait !!!!
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IMO, your question is almost impossible to answer because there are so many variables to what your -15 is to what my -15 is.

At your place -15 could represent 120DB output vs. someone else's -15 could represent 100DB output. That is an incredible difference between the 2.

with that said...I listen to -10 at my place and with heavy action type movies...I'm well over 120DB's output at that volume level...AND I LOVE IT!!!!
Hmm, I am thinking you are wrong, or I don't understand reference volume. I thought the purpose of running audyssey or any other receiver setup software is to normalize the volume so that -10, -5 or 0 is the same from one room/system to the next. Now if you run your subs hot then the bass could be different.
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Hmm, I am thinking you are wrong, or I don't understand reference volume. I thought the purpose of running audyssey or any other receiver setup software is to normalize the volume so that -10, -5 or 0 is the same from one room/system to the next. Now if you run your subs hot then the bass could be different.
I agree IF the systems are calibrated properly. My unit does not have audyssey.
I know that with my amp at 0 on the MVL there's no way I can reduce my output levels to have reference level.

You make me wonder how can I setup my receiver to be @ reference when having my volume set to 0.
I think I might have to start searching...
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For us poor folk who don't have the money to invest in AI that's wrong some of the time, we set each speaker to register 75db from each speaker. Then, we break out the old abacus to figure out what MVL will coincide with 0db. Hell, 0 on my system is mute. 100 is wide open.
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I agree IF the systems are calibrated properly. My unit does not have audyssey.
I know that with my amp at 0 on the MVL there's no way I can reduce my output levels to have reference level.

You make me wonder how can I setup my receiver to be @ reference when having my volume set to 0.
I think I might have to start searching...
thanks for your response
I have seen some people use these for rca connections http://www.parts-express.com/harrison-labs-12-db-rca-line-level-audio-attenuator-pair--266-244

Here is one for XLR connections http://www.parts-express.com/in-line-xlr-attenuator-pad-20db--240-416

This will bring your gain down on the amps, but you may never get exact.
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I have seen some people use these for rca connections http://www.parts-express.com/harriso...-pair--266-244

Here is one for XLR connections http://www.parts-express.com/in-line...-20db--240-416

This will bring your gain down on the amps, but you may never get exact.
thanks again for your response.
To be honest, I'm not going to worry about bringing it down so that 0 = reference.
I would much prefer to know at what volume equates to reference in my case and I believe I found that my amps -25 = reference.

That's fine by me as I now know that if I listen to -10MVL that I'm actually listening to +15DB OVER reference

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The new Transformers is a tour de force. Even the lossy version kiss serious a$$, so much that it puts Godzilla to shame.
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I agree IF the systems are calibrated properly. My unit does not have audyssey.
I know that with my amp at 0 on the MVL there's no way I can reduce my output levels to have reference level.

You make me wonder how can I setup my receiver to be @ reference when having my volume set to 0.
I think I might have to start searching...
thanks for your response
Your AVR didn't come with any mic for setup? They all do unless your using a very old avr, this is to calibrate it, my 15 should be the same or very close to yours if you setup your AVR. Audssey is different than volume calbation, AVRs like Cambride 551R doesn't have room correct but still comes with a mic for volume setup and speaker distances.

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thanks again for your response.
To be honest, I'm not going to worry about bringing it down so that 0 = reference.
I would much prefer to know at what volume equates to reference in my case and I believe I found that my amps -25 = reference.

That's fine by me as I now know that if I listen to -10MVL that I'm actually listening to +15DB OVER reference
Actually I remember why I saw people using these. It was because Audyssey couldnt set the levels of the speakers because of the gain in the amps and this couldn't eq the speakers.
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The problem comes from people with high sensitive speakers. The AVR can not go below -12 dBs automatically so it uses that as the lowest setting and can throw the levels way off as far as keeping 0 MV at reference. I have a pioneer elite reciever and t set my speakers 15 dBs too loud for 0 MV. So I I watch at 0 MV I am way over reference.
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Well I got to watch Oculus last night. As stated above it does have some nice bass. It does not have it all the time, but when it does it can be heard and felt. I know this since I got this new subwoofer and a good scare comes the wife grabs my arm much tighter.

The story well, that's another story! I'm a little bias as these are not my type of movies, but will say this is a movie you have to follow at all times to keep up with what is going on as they do a lot of flashbacks. If you take a bathroom break without putting it on pause you may get lost. Those who watch it can make their own decision if it was good or not. If a bass fan and need a filler movie while waiting for a new release then this would be ok for a rent IMO.
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Rented it from Red Box and gave it spin today. You are spot on once again with your assessment on Oculus !! I really did enjoy the bass with this one. It hi, med and low !! Thanks for the suggestion and I'm glad I rented it. Although I would not suggest buying it, it's definitely worth a rental for the bass alone.
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Rented it from Red Box and gave it spin today. You are spot on once again with your assessment on Oculus !! I really did enjoy the bass with this one. It hi, med and low !! Thanks for the suggestion and I'm glad I rented it. Although I would not suggest buying it, it's definitely worth a rental for the bass alone.

YW! I'm happy to hear you were able to get some enjoyment from this film!!
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Just watched the amazing Spider-Man 2 3d. Good flick! Sounded great on my setup. As others have mentioned, it could've used a little more midrange punch, but thought it was very good overall. The 3d was pretty good too. Can't wait until my sub is done so I can hit the 12hz stuff!


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Watched Godzilla 2014 last night streamed from iTunes. I liked the movie. To me is was vastly superior to Pacific Rim not only as a movie but the sound track was much better overall.

The bass was quite good other than the lack of depth on the foot steps and some of the monster on monster fight scenes. But overall a good use of the surrounds and good bass in most of the appropriate spots.

To me Pacific Rim was just one long bass note that tended to just drone on and on never changing and not really adding much to the movie. I don't recall the surround being used as well as in Godzilla either.

I'm betting that I would like the Godzilla sound track even better in DTS Master.

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Watched Godzilla 2014 last night streamed from iTunes. I liked the movie. To me is was vastly superior to Pacific Rim not only as a movie but the sound track was much better overall.

The bass was quite good other than the lack of depth on the foot steps and some of the monster on monster fight scenes. But overall a good use of the surrounds and good bass in most of the appropriate spots.

To me Pacific Rim was just one long bass note that tended to just drone on and on never changing and not really adding much to the movie. I don't recall the surround being used as well as in Godzilla either.

I'm betting that I would like the Godzilla sound track even better in DTS Master.
I also watched Godzilla the other day and was very disappointed. Horrible movie except for the audio. The black levels were really bad IMO. 90% of the movie was in the dark and maybe 10mn top of actual Godzilla footage. I also thought the acting was not very good. I'm glad I rented it and would never buy it even if it was in the budget bucket at Walmart for 5.00 lol.

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+1 and 3D looks gorgeous
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