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post #18091 of 22636 Old 09-26-2014, 06:58 AM
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You mean Bane from the Batman movie?
Oops, that looks better, and yes.
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FYI , I meant my MVL is at +10 over reference...but I also play subs at +8 to +10 over reference

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Wow, that is really loud! Fatshaft, do you run your mains 10 dBs hot or just your subs? I bet I can run this movie hot but my limits in my room is around 130 dBs or the pressure is just too much(1480 cubes).
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Edge of Tomorrow

OK, the opening scene is by far the craziest most violent bass scene I have ever experienced...PERIOD!
My poor 21's were knocking pretty bad!
Thank god I pressed the mute button quickly.

It is pure insanity...

I have played it 10 times and came and post it here...be careful with this one guys...Dam!

I haven't watched it yet…so don't know about the rest.
Tom Cruise should be giving some type of Bass achievement award

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Edge of Tomorrow

OK, the opening scene is by far the craziest most violent bass scene I have ever experienced...PERIOD!
My poor 21's were knocking pretty bad!
Thank god I pressed the mute button quickly.

It is pure insanity...

I have played it 10 times and came and post it here...be careful with this one guys...Dam!

I haven't watched it yet...so don't know about the rest.
It sounds like a pure sine wave. Seriously. When I play test tones in REW to try to isolate rattling in my room, that's what it sounds like.
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Wow, that is really loud! Fatshaft, do you run your mains 10 dBs hot or just your subs? I bet I can run this movie hot but my limits in my room is around 130 dBs or the pressure is just too much(1480 cubes).
No, mains are set to 0DB, no boost!
Subs are also set to 0DB, no boost!
Surrounds are set to +5DB (to keep up with my mains)
I adjust my subs (5HZ to 100HZ) to be approx. 10DB hot (with the MiniDSP) over the rest of my FR
I have a similar sized room as yours (1600SQFT)
My Room is completely sealed (double seal on the doors)
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I know, I don't really like him but his movies always sound good and have BASS!

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It sounds like a pure sine wave. Seriously. When I play test tones in REW to try to isolate rattling in my room, that's what it sounds like.
I think you're right! it sure sounds like it!

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I'm not sure why you guys are raving so much about edge of tomorrow opening scene, it's literally just sine waves. If you like that just go into REW and play some sine waves...
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I'm not sure why you guys are raving so much about edge of tomorrow opening scene, it's literally just sine waves. If you like that just go into REW and play some sine waves...

Well, it could have been filtered. The server room scene in pulse is like a sine wave and is an awesome effect.
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I'm not sure why you guys are raving so much about edge of tomorrow opening scene, it's literally just sine waves. If you like that just go into REW and play some sine waves...
It's not "Raving"... it's a "Warning"

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The pulse scene is a lot more than a sine wave though. It "pulses" and has a lot more than a single frequency
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Edge of Tomorrow

OK, the opening scene is by far the craziest most violent bass scene I have ever experienced...PERIOD!
My poor 21's were knocking pretty bad!
Thank god I pressed the mute button quickly.

It is pure insanity...

I have played it 10 times and came and post it here...be careful with this one guys...Dam!

I haven't watched it yet...so don't know about the rest.

This is very true - Those with systems capable of it, be careful!

This has been the first scene to push my quad LMS-R 15's past their comfortable zone, and it comes right away in the film without warning. I know I have more amp behind them than they need, but have not until now ran into any issues. Luckily no damage, as they were just barely tapping, and I too hit mute very quick. I really need to set up that limiter/hpf for them. My pair of LMS-U 18's with the hpf plowed right through the 'scene' however.

Really enjoyed the film, great soundstage and quality effects throughout. After the relentless intro I backed the sw trim way off, not knowing if it was filled with similar moments - but it was certainly more tame after that. I'll re-watch with the proper protection in place and higher sw trim.
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I know, I don't really like him but his movies always sound good and have BASS!
I don't really care for him anymore myself, but back in the late 80's early 90's he was a pretty good actor and I liked allot of his films.

Do you guys have the Blu Ray or are you streaming?
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I don't really care for him anymore myself, but back in the late 80's early 90's he was a pretty good actor and I liked allot of his films.

Do you guys have the Blu Ray or are you streaming?
I saw the 3D Blu Ray version

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First time playing EOT, it caught me by surprise... I had the volume turned up higher than usual because I was watching a quiet show right before! Wow.

So playing the intro at "normal" volumes, I have to open all doors or else they clank. I haven't had that happen with any other demo scenes. Good stuff.

 


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I'm sure the opening of EOT is mixing error - no way that was intentional - or the sound guys had no idea what they recorded
nothing like that in rest of movie but overall soundtrack was stellar


Transformers: Age of Extinction is ridiculous in levels and bass content - 80% of movie and its a fracking long movie much be pushing 105++ Dbs
Michael Bay must have said f''k it - I got nothing - just blow everything up and make it loud
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I'm sure the opening of EOT is mixing error - no way that was intentional - or the sound guys had no idea what they recorded
nothing like that in rest of movie but overall soundtrack was stellar


Transformers: Age of Extinction is ridiculous in levels and bass content - 80% of movie and its a fracking long movie much be pushing 105++ Dbs
Michael Bay must have said f''k it - I got nothing - just blow everything up and make it loud
Actually that little mistake could equal millions of sales on blu ray.
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So I have a high pass filter on with my inuke6000dsp, should my 2 UXL 18's be alright with EOT?

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Actually that little mistake could equal millions of sales on blu ray.
i know it definitely sold me...no doubt. I have to say that i really have enjoyed the soundtracks from the last few Tom movies. aw, hell, i enjoyed everything about them. when i saw EOT, i kinda figured it would be pretty sweet. low and behold, i seem to have been right. can't wait to test this BR out. what i can't figure tho, is how so many on this forum have seen the BR version of it considering it hasn't come out yet???? and i too feel that Tom has something to do with the awesome bass tracks in the movies. he's either a secret basshead on these forums, or he just flat out knows that an awesome soundtrack will sell a movie no matter how crappy it is!
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i know it definitely sold me...no doubt. I have to say that i really have enjoyed the soundtracks from the last few Tom movies. aw, hell, i enjoyed everything about them. when i saw EOT, i kinda figured it would be pretty sweet. low and behold, i seem to have been right. can't wait to test this BR out. What I can't figure tho, is how so many on this forum have seen the BR version of it considering it hasn't come out yet???? and i too feel that Tom has something to do with the awesome bass tracks in the movies. he's either a secret basshead on these forums, or he just flat out knows that an awesome soundtrack will sell a movie no matter how crappy it is!
Most films are shown overseas before they are released here in the States. I had thought it was only foreign films but it is also films made here that are shown overseas in theaters before they get released in U.S. theaters. That means folks overseas will also get to enjoy the BD's before we do. Also movie reviewers will be shipped a copy of a movie before it is released to the general public.

I don't mind as it give's me a chance to read more reviews before I watch a film. I just won't be able to help others know about a film with bass unless it is one that may not have had much exposure. I do watch a lot of foreign films and films I find on movie data base's like IMDB, ect. so I may get to help sometime.

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Yeah, don't run your subs hot unless they're very capable on EoT. The opening scene has 10Hz content encoded at right around 125dB with bass management. Highest we've ever seen, by far. It's brief, but if you're running 10dB hot, you're asking subs to produce 135dB at 10Hz, which I'm pretty sure nobody here can legitimately do. The rest of the movie is normal action movie volumes.

Better advice: don't run your subs more than a couple dB hot!
My Antimode8033 has subsonic filter...steep roll off below 20Hz, which should give sufficient protection to my subs.

Is Godzilla a good movie to break in my front LCR? I heard it has great mid bass.
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i know it definitely sold me...no doubt. I have to say that i really have enjoyed the soundtracks from the last few Tom movies. aw, hell, i enjoyed everything about them. when i saw EOT, i kinda figured it would be pretty sweet. low and behold, i seem to have been right. can't wait to test this BR out. what i can't figure tho, is how so many on this forum have seen the BR version of it considering it hasn't come out yet???? and i too feel that Tom has something to do with the awesome bass tracks in the movies. he's either a secret basshead on these forums, or he just flat out knows that an awesome soundtrack will sell a movie no matter how crappy it is!
I heard before that most of us bass heads are like 1%'s of the market, but I think it is bigger than that and it is growing. I just said a few weeks ago that there are movies selling on blu ray and the people making these things have to scratch their heads as to why these bad movies continue to sell. Not all the 4 and 5 star movies are bad, but really who would go out and buy 9 or Cloverfield or even Flight of the Phoenix? I am willing to bet anybody with a sub in this forum has a copy of WOTW. Take the bass away and these movies sit in the $3 bin at walmart and lucky to sell 2 a year.
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I cannot stress this enough...BE CAREFUL with this one...it is PURE INSANITY!
Define careful, I'm now excited and nervous to watch Edge of Tomorrow for the first time as I have a PB-12NSD though I typically watch movies at -8 to -15 so I'm guessing I'll be fine.
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Hi all,

My understanding of "reference level" is that an SPL of 75dB should be measured at the MLP from a source recorded at -30dBSF (-40dBSF for LFE) at a MV setting of '0'. Also, never use the AVRs internal tones to check SPL levels, but an external source (SD-DVE in my case, allowing for a known 10dB offset in the LFE tone). These are consistent with results via Disney WOW (allowing for the fact that the tones are all -20dBSF). For some reason, Audyssey set my sats to 70dB at MV=0 (5dB below reference), and it set the LFE about 4.5dB cold (I had to goose the LFE about 4.5 dB just to get flat). I now run my LFE 5 dB hot, my general listening range is -15 to -10 on the AVR MV (Godzilla was at -12), and I do not use DynEQ. Even with this, it is enough to crack the drywall two floors up (literally). I cannot imagine what listening at true reference would do (MV = +5 on my AVR)...
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Define careful, I'm now excited and nervous to watch Edge of Tomorrow for the first time as I have a PB-12NSD though I typically watch movies at -8 to -15 so I'm guessing I'll be fine.
You'll be fine as your sub has a HPF built in...no worries for you.


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I cannot imagine what listening at true reference would do (MV = +5 on my AVR)...
Then there's people like me that say...
"I cannot imagine people listen to movies below reference level" ...
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Just finished watching the new Transformers.What an insane bass experience.It has everything, low stuff,chest crushing mid-bass punch and awesome surround mix.I have all four of the Transformers and I think this new one is just the best track of the bunch.
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My understanding of "reference level" is that an SPL of 75dB should be measured at the MLP from a source recorded at -30dBSF (-40dBSF for LFE) at a MV setting of '0'. Also, never use the AVRs internal tones to check SPL levels, but an external source (SD-DVE in my case, allowing for a known 10dB offset in the LFE tone). These are consistent with results via Disney WOW (allowing for the fact that the tones are all -20dBSF). For some reason, Audyssey set my sats to 70dB at MV=0 (5dB below reference), and it set the LFE about 4.5dB cold (I had to goose the LFE about 4.5 dB just to get flat). I now run my LFE 5 dB hot, my general listening range is -15 to -10 on the AVR MV (Godzilla was at -12), and I do not use DynEQ. Even with this, it is enough to crack the drywall two floors up (literally). I cannot imagine what listening at true reference would do (MV = +5 on my AVR)...


Your AVR test tones are accurate. Your test disks probably use a dialnorm value of -27, so everything just appears to play 4 dB low subject to the accuracy of your SPL meter.
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Your AVR test tones are accurate. Your test disks probably use a dialnorm value of -27, so everything just appears to play 4 dB low subject to the accuracy of your SPL meter.
That makes sense. Most of the time I don't care about absolute reference anyway, just the relative SPL levels bewteen channels. Thanks for the correction...

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Which scene is the low sine wave from in Edge of Tomorrow.

Spoiler!


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Read somewhere to it being within the first 30 sec of the movie.
Spoiler!

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Which scene is the low sine wave from in Edge of Tomorrow. Is it the first beach landing scene or before that (don't think it is before that)?

Edit: Read somewhere to it being within the first 30 sec of the movie. Is that when he wakes up in the helicopter or gets outs from the heli?
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