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Just don't want top play with the settings while the movie plays.
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that's absolutely not true at all digler. 99% of movies are still horrible bass movies even if you turn your subs up 50 dB. The content has to be there. There are only a handful of movies with full bandwidth, or at least down to 20 hz ish, low SPL content, that you can turn your subs up for to make it awesome.
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I liked dofp sure it doesn't match the last releases like TF4 or eot but it was decent, the movie was great. Only thing... It's such a cop out... They killed off Professor X and used this time machine thing to bring him back, I hate **** like this, when Jean killed him it was a big deal in the series, now they just bring him back? Maybe I'm missing something here as it's been awhile since I've watched the past xman.

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I liked dofp sure it doesn't match the last releases like TF4 or eot but it was decent, the movie was great. Only thing... It's such a cop out... They killed off Professor X and used this time machine thing to bring him back, I hate **** like this, when Jean killed him it was a big deal in the series, now they just bring him back? Maybe I'm missing something here as it's been awhile since I've watched the past xman.
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I liked dofp sure it doesn't match the last releases like TF4 or eot but it was decent, the movie was great. Only thing... It's such a cop out... They killed off Professor X and used this time machine thing to bring him back, I hate **** like this, when Jean killed him it was a big deal in the series, now they just bring him back? Maybe I'm missing something here as it's been awhile since I've watched the past xman.
They didn't use the time travel to bring Professor X back.

Obviously you never watched any of the movies through the end credits as you would have seen the numerous spoilers/sneak peeks showing that he didn't die.

FYI, most of the Marvel universe movies recently have had extra scenes in the middle of, or end of the credits, showing things like Kronos in Avengers, the Collector in Thor 2 etc.

The X-Men universe movies showed Prof X didn't die and Magneto didn't permanently lose his powers. I have no idea who they showed at the end of DOFP though.


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P.S. they DID of course, use the time travel retcon to bring back the dead, just not Xavier as he was never dead.
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Wait... so he didn't die when Jean blew him up? No I haven't watched past the credits... When they hit I turn off the movie. So how did he come back then?

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No problemo...you have a right to call it whatever you like...
BS. no doubt for me...Beautiful Sound...indeed!

1st: I NEVER said I played EOT at that volume! I almost blew up my subs when I first played it and commented about it in this very thread...you clearly have NOT read my warning!
BTW I can play it no problem at reference (MVL) and +10DB hot on the subs
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BTW, it was pure orgasmic for me at OVER 120db average
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I find bass levels change enough between movies for me to "tailor" the levels a bit. Example, any Transformers film I could turn down and run virtually flat and be satisfied. Then a movie like Dredd or Hellboy2 comes along and I love giving those tracks a bit more weight. Each to their own I guess. I never bump up the sub through my Preamp I adjust the level through my MIC 2200.

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Just watched Xmen DOFP. Nothing wrong with the bass in this at my place. Sure the levels were a bit lower but I adjusted to compensate for this the gain on my MIC 2200 subwoofer preamp and enjoyed the bass as it should sound with no lack of impact. There were quite a few nice moments where my subs were moving a lot of air too suggesting it went low at times. I wouldn't say it was a bass classic, but it had enough to keep me engaged and at times it went beyond that.

I don't buy into the set and forget with the LFE channel. The levels vary so much between films. The bass in DOFP was well done and clean IMO just not as loud as others. I can compensate for this as I described above. Give me Godzilla with a completely compressed/clipped LFE channel and I'm helpless to do anything about it (although I notice on Data-Bass if you've got the tools there may well be). I would take lower levels and clean anyday over clipped and compressed with louder levels.

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FYI, most of the Marvel universe movies recently have had extra scenes in the middle of, or end of the credits, showing things like Kronos in Avengers

I have no idea who they showed at the end of DOFP though.


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That actually wasn't Kronos at the end of avengers, it was Thanos. Avengers 3 will center around battling him and his infinity gauntlet that is composed of all the infinity stones that have appeared in all the marvel films. And the character they were showing at the end of DOFP was Apocolypse, the "first mutant", and a very powerful one at that. There is an xmen movie already set for them to battle him in 2018 or 19...i can't remember the date.


and just to clarify, i was being sarcastic when i mentioned bumping up the trim to make gone with the wind a 5 star. i just don't care for fiddling with the trims from movie to movie. i wish there was some sort of standard that would determine proper levels for these awesome movies.
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Wait... so he didn't die when Jean blew him up? No I haven't watched past the credits... When they hit I turn off the movie. So how did he come back then?
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I saw FURY at the RPX screen of my local Regal last night. Excellent sound design. Clear articulate dialog, very active surround field, and explosions you can feel. Even in the quiet dialog scenes the war is still present and you can hear gunfire and explosions at a distance from various locations.
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i'm pretty interested in seeing Fury. Good to hear that it has a nice sound mix to go along with it. i'm guessing it could be a nice one for the home theater when those tanks start firing!
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god bless ya...!

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With all this talk about people boosting their sub trim 5, 6, or even 10DB over reference, I don't trust any of these reviews or evaluations of bass in movies because you are artificially enhancing bass. Let the charts do the talking.
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With all this talk about people boosting their sub trim 5, 6, or even 10DB over reference, I don't trust any of these reviews or evaluations of bass in movies because you are artificially enhancing bass. Let the charts do the talking.
so, you are saying that you run audessey and just leave the trim where it is set? I think you are the only one in this entire thread that would say that.
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If you are comparing movies then yes, you need to run the same levels but why do we have HT's? We can adjust levels anyway we prefer. So when many say X-men sucks I say why not turn up the bass and it won't suck. Why sit through a movie when you can make it better? We are not in a cinema, we are allowed to change things. It is very easy to say hey guys, X-men was recorded lower than usual but all the bass is there, you need to turn it up like The Amazing Spiderman or something. I run all my movies lfe 5-10 dBs hot from the amp gains so if a movie becomes too loud I turn it down but I never have to turn it up.
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With all this talk about people boosting their sub trim 5, 6, or even 10DB over reference, I don't trust any of these reviews or evaluations of bass in movies because you are artificially enhancing bass. Let the charts do the talking.
Last time I checked, I did like how a "Chart" sounded. Pretty sure actually that I couldn't hear the chart at all reference is just that, a starting point for everyone to work off of. You tailor to "preference" after that. Case and point I listened to audyssey (and spent too many $$ upgrading through the ranks) for close to 3 years in my new HT before I just realized that flat in general was not for me. I go organic now, using purely room treatment to eq my space, and it is ever so delightful.

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Last time I checked, I did like how a "Chart" sounded. Pretty sure actually that I couldn't hear the chart at all reference is just that, a starting point for everyone to work off of. You tailor to "preference" after that. Case and point I listened to audyssey (and spent too many $$ upgrading through the ranks) for close to 3 years in my new HT before I just realized that flat in general was not for me. I go organic now, using purely room treatment to eq my space, and it is ever so delightful.

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That actually wasn't Kronos at the end of avengers, it was Thanos. Avengers 3 will center around battling him and his infinity gauntlet that is composed of all the infinity stones that have appeared in all the marvel films. And the character they were showing at the end of DOFP was Apocolypse, the "first mutant", and a very powerful one at that. There is an xmen movie already set for them to battle him in 2018 or 19...i can't remember the date.


and just to clarify, i was being sarcastic when i mentioned bumping up the trim to make gone with the wind a 5 star. i just don't care for fiddling with the trims from movie to movie. i wish there was some sort of standard that would determine proper levels for these awesome movies.
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so, you are saying that you run audessey and just leave the trim where it is set? I think you are the only one in this entire thread that would say that.
Yes, I do and I realize that's not for everyone. It would be interesting to survey everyone to see just how many people run their calibration and just leave it flat.

And just to clarify, I never said anyone shouldn't boost their trim because we all know that's a common practice. However, if someone has their sub trim boosted say 6db over reference, watches a new movie and then posts how incredible the bass was, that's not an accurate assessment of what's actually meant to be heard.
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Yes, I do and I realize that's not for everyone. It would be interesting to survey everyone to see just how many people run their calibration and just leave it flat.

And just to clarify, I never said anyone shouldn't boost their trim because we all know that's a common practice. However, if someone has their sub trim boosted say 6db over reference, watches a new movie and then posts how incredible the bass was, that's not an accurate assessment of what's actually meant to be heard.
i wasn't trying to ruffle your feathers, but it's surprising to hear that you wouldn't adjust the sub trim. that being said, to each their own....just not the norm in this particular thread since it's a bass thread. i do see your point though, but all things being constant each person would be used to what their particular system will do, and as long as everyone is using the same source material i would think the experience would be uniform from movie to movie. in other words, as long as you aren't fiddling with your trims for every movie, then you should be able to compare each movie based on how you are used to hearing your setup.
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Yes, I do and I realize that's not for everyone. It would be interesting to survey everyone to see just how many people run their calibration and just leave it flat.

And just to clarify, I never said anyone shouldn't boost their trim because we all know that's a common practice. However, if someone has their sub trim boosted say 6db over reference, watches a new movie and then posts how incredible the bass was, that's not an accurate assessment of what's actually meant to be heard.
What's inaccurate about increasing volume? Only we're talking the LFE channel here. All films have different levels as previously discussed. If I increase the levels to suit it's not altering the bass signal just amplifying the content.

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if someone has their sub trim boosted say 6db over reference, watches a new movie and then posts how incredible the bass was, that's not an accurate assessment of what's actually meant to be heard.
It's the complete opposite for me!
If someone here says (here being the keyword) this/that movie has awesome bass, then I know that movie has an enormous amount of bass (how many DB's over reference is irrelevant!)

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X-men DOFP was a not as hard hitting as first class but still had some great bass moments and was a distortion free soundtrack overall for me.I only turned the overall volume level up 1 notch basically like the first spiderman reboot to get the desired results.
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Winter Soldier was a fantastic audio track and definitely the best of the bunch of this seasons releases that I have watched so far. This track really puts the clipping/compression in Godzilla and T4 into proper context along with the lacking extension. I still enjoyed Godzilla and really enjoyed T4 bass/audio, but there is no question that WS is a clear step above those in general in dynamics, extension and is just the type of track you want to keep turning up because it sounds so good, clean and dynamic. I understand Maxmercy's comments better now about how fatiguing something like T4 or Into Darkness is in comparison to something like WS. WS reminded me of the audio on Three Musketeers to some degree which is also a track (to my ears at least) that is very dynamic, clean, mixed very well and with full range LFE support.

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