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You sir, are the man. Real tanks don't have a filter, so I am glad you went about this the "right" way, haha. Any 10hz or lower material make it into the mix?
Well, if they actually recorded real tanks and they did not add a filter it has to be there!
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Can someone tell me why some Blu-ray movies have the bass filtered? What is the point of filtering bass?
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depends, some feel "no one" has the capability anyways below a certain point, but for the most part, commercial theater subs are already high passed between 20 and 30hz so they do their mixes accordingly. When the "HT" is done separately, they are leaving it the same as the commercial mix in some cases.

I think Avengers actually put the filter in so they could just go insane with the >30hz material and not worry about system limitation below that point. I think I remember someone mentioning something about that. I am not @FilmMixer though, he likely could give you the exact answer you are looking for.

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I watched The Desolation of Smaug Extended from iTunes last night and my gut tells me that the bass was improved from the theatrical blu-ray. I haven't watched the theatrical version in a while, but the extended version pretty much gave me what I would have expected for the content of the movie.
The theatrical and extended have the same LFE content, no difference.
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Weren't blurays bragging about being the same as the master? Are masters mixed for the theaters? Then there needs to be HT mixes on bluray all the time. Basically, no filters.
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Has anyone seen the movie The Rover? And if so does it have good bass and an overall good soundtrack? I reserved it at Redbox since there was nothing else worth getting that I haven't seen.
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Weren't blurays bragging about being the same as the master? Are masters mixed for the theaters? Then there needs to be HT mixes on bluray all the time. Basically, no filters.
Sadly, that isn't the case. I had a lengthy conversation with a well known mixer, and he explained that most movies are remixed for disc. Disc mixing apparently involves lower levels and speakers positioned closer to the mixer.

My personal opinion on this: Positioning the speakers closer to the mixer, assuming they're level and FR compensated, should have basically no effect. Other than making the room a bit closer to anechoic, because the speakers are now quite close to the listener and far from the walls. Mixing at a different level, whether it's up or down, completely destroys the entire purpose of a reference level. We can do our own level compensation for various listening levels on the playback side, but only if we know where reference was. It seems that we'd be better off just getting the theatrical mix. But because I (we) never have the opportunity to hear both mixes on the same system, it's hard to accurately judge.

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Just watched X-Men First Class and DOFP back to back at Reference and my initial impressions were correct:

For folks who don't fiddle with re-EQ'ing the bass individually for every single different movie, the 2 movies aren't in the same league.

Of course, according to the folks at DB, if you're willing to spend money on a PEQ and plug in individualized EQ curves for individual movies, even Battleship can be 'decent'.


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Actually if you look at each one first class is a little louder. The recommendation for DOFP is to turn up the LFE, no EQ involved.
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Yep, well I don't know of anymore block busters that are from the summer that on the way to BD.
Now these may turn out to be good, but IDK. Maleficent could be or Hercules both on BD 11/04/14 ???
I see from the previous post above that ,How to Train Your Dragon 2 doesn't have the deep slamming bass that HTTYD has. HTTYD is indeed a bass monster !!
I guess we shall see and hear. (LOL)
don't forget about guardians of the galaxy! i really can't wait for that one myself....it was probably my favorite movie of the year, and it has some great promise of a dynamic track. the soundtrack is definitely good too....some oldies and goodies.
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I'm sure you will love Three Musketeers for audio!

Just watched this- can not believe I had not even heard of this film until you made reference recently
(and I watch a frackin lot of movie)
Soundtrack was incredible - thanks for heads up -
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Just watched this- can not believe I had not even heard of this film until you made reference recently
(and I watch a frackin lot of movie)
Soundtrack was incredible - thanks for heads up -

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Toe I missed your original post -- which Three Musketeers movie version is this?


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toe i missed your original post -- which three musketeers movie version is this?
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Weren't blurays bragging about being the same as the master? Are masters mixed for the theaters? Then there needs to be HT mixes on bluray all the time. Basically, no filters.
Sadly, this seems to progress only further in the wrong direction.
If the people applauding Atmos and loosing their sleep over which cables to choose knew how the "near-field" soundtracks delivered on many BDs were made they would have a heart-attack.

One of the problems is the reviewers cheering along as dynamic range drops, levels are pushed LOUDer, with clipping and distortion as inevitable consequence - and you damage your hearing trying to get at least some impact out of it.

The bass filtering is a minor issue, because that can actually be fixed.
Dynamic compression and distortion is impossible to fix.

But there is a solution to this.
They only need to provide the theatrical mix on the disc
, preferably in the HD tracks, then the neutered version could be provided as additional DTS/DD tracks.
Personally I would take a lossy DTS/DD any day over a near-field HD.
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don't forget about guardians of the galaxy! i really can't wait for that one myself....it was probably my favorite movie of the year, and it has some great promise of a dynamic track. the soundtrack is definitely good too....some oldies and goodies.
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Yep, well I don't know of anymore block busters that are from the summer that on the way to BD.
Now these may turn out to be good, but IDK. Maleficent could be or Hercules both on BD 11/04/14 ???
I see from the previous post above that ,How to Train Your Dragon 2 doesn't have the deep slamming bass that HTTYD has. HTTYD is indeed a bass monster !!
I guess we shall see and hear. (LOL)
Yes I hope those two movies have some good bass as they are on my watch list. So is HTTYD 2 and that is the bass does not match the first one. I have Snowpiercer coming today and I hear the bass is not to bad. It is a film with director Joon-ho Bong and the last film I saw he did was The Host. I have to revist that one as I hear it had some good bass. The only draw back is since it is a foreign film it has sub titles. The film has horror, comedy, ect and was not that bad.

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Toe I missed your original post -- which Three Musketeers movie version is this?
As Trigen mentioned, the 2011 version. Give it a spin!

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Just watched X-Men First Class and DOFP back to back at Reference and my initial impressions were correct:

For folks who don't fiddle with re-EQ'ing the bass individually for every single different movie, the 2 movies aren't in the same league.

Max
Completely agree. Watched it again 2 nights ago at my normal "non-enhanced' levels and even the widely touted scenes are less than overwhelming. Sure, they dig low, but the levels are so low..... If you aren't running your system really hot this is nothing to write home about. The scene caps Bosso did over on d-b.com are with his system run 8 dbs hot--and I don't think he ever runs hot.
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As Trigen mentioned, the 2011 version. Give it a spin!
Thanks guys, I will.


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Yes I hope those two movies have some good bass as they are on my watch list. So is HTTYD 2 and that is the bass does not match the first one. I have Snowpiercer coming today and I hear the bass is not to bad. It is a film with director Joon-ho Bong and the last film I saw he did was The Host. I have to revist that one as I hear it had some good bass. The only draw back is since it is a foreign film it has sub titles. The film has horror, comedy, ect and was not that bad.



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I think you'll like Snowpiercer. I watched it last night and thought the movie was good, and felt the bass was great too (running 4db hot at MV -15). This is the first movie I watched after wiring up my first DIY sub, DO SI 18[emoji16], so not totally dialed in but damn impressed[emoji106]


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me personally thought snowpeircer bass wasn't very good...and i didnt care for the movie all that much...but thats me

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Yes I hope those two movies have some good bass as they are on my watch list. So is HTTYD 2 and that is the bass does not match the first one. I have Snowpiercer coming today and I hear the bass is not to bad. It is a film with director Joon-ho Bong and the last film I saw he did was The Host. I have to revist that one as I hear it had some good bass. The only draw back is since it is a foreign film it has sub titles. The film has horror, comedy, ect and was not that bad.

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I have the HTTYD on BD and it's a bass monster !! Based on what other posters have posted in this thread a page or 2 ago, about the HTTYD2 they say the bass is not that good !! I will still give it a spin once released on BD. Yes, post your thoughts on Snowpiercer as I may watch it from Redbox. I have not heard much about that one.
I'm going to address the hum issue this weekend and hopefully it will be a thing of the past.
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Anyone graph Earth to Echo? Just watched it - appears to be unfiltered, especially at the end, there is a scene that goes on for over a minute.

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me personally thought snowpeircer bass wasn't very good...and i didnt care for the movie all that much...but thats me
I loved the movie and the overall sound mix, the bass was good as well as it had good room penetration. I did however notice a bit of clipping but not from the bass
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I think you'll like Snowpiercer. I watched it last night and thought the movie was good, and felt the bass was great too (running 4db hot at MV -15). This is the first movie I watched after wiring up my first DIY sub, DO SI 18[emoji16], so not totally dialed in but damn impressed[emoji106]


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Thanks for the head's up! You were right I did enjoy the movie! I thought the bass was good when it was there and did feel it pulsing
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I have the HTTYD on BD and it's a bass monster !! Based on what other posters have posted in this thread a page or 2 ago, about the HTTYD2 they say the bass is not that good !! I will still give it a spin once released on BD. Yes, post your thoughts on Snowpiercer as I may watch it from Redbox. I have not heard much about that one.
I'm going to address the hum issue this weekend and hopefully it will be a thing of the past.
Thanks for asking !!

If no other movie is on your watch list then I think you may like Snowpiercer for a one time rent. I put it at my starting movie spot of MV -13 and did leave it there even though it was loud like T4. I thought the wife was going to tell me to turn it down a notch, but she sat through it!
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I loved the movie and the overall sound mix, the bass was good as well as it had good room penetration. I did however notice a bit of clipping but not from the bass
Yes - Snowpiercer was great all around - another film the director did which I really liked was the Host - one from 2006 - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468492/

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Yes - Snowpiercer was great all around - another film the director did which I really liked was the Host - one from 2006 - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468492/
Thanks for the heads up! I'll put it in the NF que
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