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Sounds like it will get it's major test this weekend with the back to back Bass workout your going to be throwing at it!! Enjoy!
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Just watched NF rental of Godzilla. I know what the measurements say, but damn! My subs (Hsu vtf3 w/ported tune 16hz, sealed DO SI 18) were bumping the whole time. It certainly felt that it went lower than measured at times. Fun ride and will be buying it. Glad the rental had the HD track[emoji6]


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Just watched NF rental of Godzilla. I know what the measurements say, but damn! My subs (Hsu vtf3 w/ported tune 16hz, sealed DO SI 18) were bumping the whole time. It certainly felt that it went lower than measured at times. Fun ride and will be buying it. Glad the rental had the HD track[emoji6]


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About time somebody else posted about the bass !! Glad you had the same experience I had with this one. I could careless what the measurements say, as that track had a lot of bass that rumbled my seating area very well. Since all of the talk was it did not have much bass, it sure did on my RedBox BD rental.
I'm with you on the purchase as I will be adding to my collection as well.
It's not a bad flick overall and with plenty of action .
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Into the storm: BASS a$$
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Watching another Halloween flick this Friday. Did the Conjuring this past Saturday. Awsome bass. Will give Exorcism of Emily Rose a spin for Halloween.
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I watched the first ten minute preview on xbox live last night and thought the acting had that SyFy B-movie thing going on, but still want to check it out
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I have always thought that Twister would be the best movie to see at 4DX. I bet Into the Storm would be just as good. I wish they would build a 4DX theater close to me.
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Rotten Tomato gave into the storm a single star. Yes, one out of 5. This means it is a hands-down winner that I will likely enjoy
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Rotten Tomato gave into the storm a single star. Yes, one out of 5. This means it is a hands-down winner that I will likely enjoy
Haha, I seen that. It was like a 20% critic and 47% for the user, so it might be ok.

I do know one thing fella's, we are going in to pretty big dry slump for movies. There are few mixed in, but nothing looks appealing to me other than Dawn of the Planet of the Apes and maybe Guardians of the Galaxy. Maleficent might be the best shot of some bass or the Hobbit, but neither of those appeal to me. I seen Guardians of the Galaxy at the theater and it was ok, don't recall anything special bass wise. I did not care for HTTYD2 either, thought is lousy, so from the sound of it, I guess it will be a total flop. Going to be digging through the collection for quite a while here.
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Lucy could be cool. I will likely rent that one. I have some catching up to do for sure but I am thinking I will be fully caught up by the end of next week

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Just watched NF rental of Godzilla. I know what the measurements say, but damn! My subs (Hsu vtf3 w/ported tune 16hz, sealed DO SI 18) were bumping the whole time. It certainly felt that it went lower than measured at times. Fun ride and will be buying it. Glad the rental had the HD track[emoji6]


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Nice to see you were able to enjoy Godzilla! I put this film on my list to buy and look forward to a revisit. I don't think I had the volume up enough. I'm learning not all film's sound the same at my main listening level of -13. Some are louder and some are softer.

Also after leaving T4 at that volume through the movie with that one loud maybe I'm a little scared ( ) to turn it up more!
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Looking forward to this one. I enjoyed the 1996 movie Twister with Helen Hunt! This one looks like it may put that one out to pasture with much more then a few flying cows!!
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Lucy could be cool. I will likely rent that one. I have some catching up to do for sure but I am thinking I will be fully caught up by the end of next week
I remember Austin talking about Lucy now that you mention it. I think it was Lucy cause I never heard of it till he mentioned it. If I recall he said he would buy it. I don't know if that was bass or if it was good? Lets find out. @poppalock

I still have Transformers 4 and Godzilla to watch. I also need to watch X-men again as I snoozed a few times. I am not sure I can watch Transformers 4 or not. I have pretty much hated the last two, I cannot imagine this one being any different.

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I remember Austin talking about Lucy now that you mention it. I think it was Lucy cause I never heard of it till he mentioned it. If I recall he said he would buy it. I don't know if that was bass or if it was good? Lets find out. @poppalock

I still have Transformers 4 and Godzilla to watch. I also need to watch X-men again as I snoozed a few times. I am not sure I can watch Transformers 4 or not. I have pretty much hated the last two, I cannot imagine this one being any different.
Meh, It's a rent... Don't recall any standout spots for bass, at least in the theater I was in.

I was stoked for that movie based on the previews... Ended up being not much more than a bit of eye candy <---Morgan Freeman is my jam...
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I still have Transformers 4 and Godzilla to watch. I also need to watch X-men again as I snoozed a few times. I am not sure I can watch Transformers 4 or not. I have pretty much hated the last two, I cannot imagine this one being any different.
I'm with you on the Transformers. I didn't mind the first one but the next one made me bored. I really want to see T4 though because everyone is saying the bass is so good.
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im dumbfounded by this as well. i have yet to hear of ANYONE with tv speakers or a soundbar that even gives a crap. there is no way for them to hear any difference. on the other hand of that...do you know how many times i have bought or rented a movie solely based on the fact that someone said it was an awesome mix or had incredible bass moments? how many movies have one scene that rocks the house, then it becomes a 5 star bass film, and next thing people in this forum are running out to buy it or put it in there que to rent. i'm sorry, but it you have a more complex track those that have a good system will hear it, brag about it, and cause more sales. why cater to a crowd that doesn't even have the ability to hear such things. it's hard to ruin someone's system if it's not even capable of producing the track. i just think it's absurd to ruin a perfectly good disc by castrating the low end or dynamic range. its funny, disc makers put 15 different crap tracks on a bluray....for what? why not put a full reference track on a bluray, then put one stereo, dolby or dts track for people that don't want to "hurt" their speakers. sorry for the rant but i just can't stand this trend and i think the boat is being missed. the crowd being catered to should be the fanatics that care about sound....people with tv speakers are going to buy the movie because they want to see the movie, not hear it. if they did, they wouldn't be using tv speakers.

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I'm not sure how you guys have never heard people complain about blu-ray and DVD audio, I ALWAYS hear people complain about movies having really quiet voices and loud action.

It's an extremely common problem people have (who listen on crappy speakers/tv/laptops), and of course always the solution is "go buy a receiver and surround sound so you can hear voices in the center channel".
Yep.

Just take a look at the CATWS review thread. On the one hand, you get folks who enjoyed the audio and on the other, folks complaining that the dialogue was too soft and the explosions\LFE too loud.

One of the things with the theatrical mixes is that they're meant to be played at Reference. As such, the dialogue is recorded with that in mind and they can mix it for great dynamics i.e. the dialogue is perfectly audible at Reference, but explosions etc. have much greater volume that adds to the impact of the scene.

These dynamic swings are appreciated by the folks who've specifically invested in reproducing them in their HTs and like being able to play at (or near) Reference.

Unfortunately, the masses tend to listen with their TV speakers or HTIB setups that might not be capable of handling the levels of extreme dynamics.

Even odder is the fact that some folks might have the equipment to handle it, but odd as it may seem, while they shun the idea of using dynamic compression like Dolby Late Night or Audyssey Dynamic Volume, they expect the studios to do it for them with home release nearfield mixes and complain about mixes that AREN'T dynamically compressed.

In the studios eyes, money is king, so marketing to the masses tends to be the norm.

If it's a choice between having 5% (a generous estimate) of the purchasers extolling the dynamics/quality of the soundtrack vs 65% complaining that the dialogue was way too soft at the low levels on their non-calibrated setups coupled with the explosions being way too loud (potentially causing 'bad sounds' from their speakers) when the volume is turned up to hear the dialogue, guess which way the studios would rather go?

What's commendable is the numerous mixers who manage to walk the fine line between the camps to produce a home/nearfield version of the mix that sounds good to the vast majority from both sides. THAT takes considerable skill and talent.


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^^ Great explanation of why so many neutered bluerays and DVDs are released which explains why we are so often frustrated.

I agree with what Digler said in his excellent rant (which I agree with 100%), why don't they release bluerays with a reference level track or at least something that would allow people with decent systems enjoy the over all audio in the movies.

What good is all the great technology in this world if material isn't produced that can unitize it?
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These dynamic swings are appreciated by the folks who've specifically invested in reproducing them in their HTs and like being able to play at (or near) Reference.

Unfortunately, the masses tend to listen with their TV speakers or HTIB setups that might not be capable of handling the levels of extreme dynamics.
Agreed with everything you said.

But that doesn't mean I have to like it! The right way to handle different dynamic needs is on the playback side. The guy doing the mixing has no idea what my playback system looks like, so he has no idea the level of dynamic neutering that's needed for my system. If my system does require some level of such neutering, I should be the one doing it. I, like most of us, have the tools to do that if I choose. It's those with the crappiest systems that don't have the tools to do it. So if the industry was motivated to fix the problem, it's the HTIB and TV speaker makers that need to be adding DRC circuits to their products.

I have a feeling that's a pipe dream.
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^^ Great explanation of why so many neutered bluerays and DVDs are released which explains why we are so often frustrated.

I agree with what Digler said in his excellent rant (which I agree with 100%), why don't they release bluerays with a reference level track or at least something that would allow people with decent systems enjoy the over all audio in the movies.

What good is all the great technology in this world if material isn't produced that can unitize it?
thanks hop. i appreciate the support....now if only there was a way for us to all band together to make change!
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thanks hop. i appreciate the support....now if only there was a way for us to all band together to make change!
Exactly! If only…. Oh well, maybe some day they will make the change on their own and give us with good HT set ups our own track to play with.

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Everyone can contribute.

An obvious way to state your opinion is to buy the films with good sound, and avoid the neutered ones. Spreading the word helps much more, enthusiasts have a great influence on general public opinion and will often be the one asked for advice.

But remember that how you say it matters a lot.
The constant nagging on how bad everything sounds eventually puts people off, and actually tells the story that sound quality does not matter; it tells that even the producers making the movies do not care.

So, demo some good scenes, tell people about how amazing the sound was on that film you saw yesterday, and then put in a word on why you think it was such a special experience - theatrical mix, full dynamic range, full frequency range.

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