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DTS HD doesn't really have a dialnorm.So how are you suppose to know if a track is playing at a lower setting than usual.I don't want to simply "guess" that it's at a lower level and then just turn up the volume.Then we're all gonna be in a complete guessing game with all of the movies.Is there a tutorial about this.Maybe its connected to the studio and their "audio level" compared to others.I like keeping the volume at a reference setting.Just wondering...
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DTS HD doesn't really have a dialnorm.So how are you suppose to know if a track is playing at a lower setting than usual.I don't want to simply "guess" that it's at a lower level and then just turn up the volume.Then we're all gonna be in a complete guessing game with all of the movies.Is there a tutorial about this.Maybe its connected to the studio and their "audio level" compared to others.I like keeping the volume at a reference setting.Just wondering...
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Get a RS SPL Meter and see what the levels are. Adjust MV accordingly.
I'm talking about being movie specific.What and where from the movie are you going to do any measuring? Guardians of the Galaxy did sound lower than the norm but what official information from the movie will actually tell us this besides that it "sounds lower"
Dolby TrueHD tracks have "dialnorm" which tells us official info.
I'm just not sure how you're suppose to take the measurements from Guardians of the Galaxy movie.

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There are smarter people on this thread than I am. An SPL meter, REW, are a couple of ways I know to measure. Which is the correct method, someone will chime in.
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Since I'm running all analogs out to my antiquated, non-HDMI Parasound processor, the volume "guessing game" has always been a fun one to deal with. What I find to be generally true as a point of reference is the the very beginning studio opener volume. It is "generally" going to indicate how hot or soft the audio track is going to be.........generally speaking. It at least gets me in the ball park.
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Has someone determined if specific studios set their volume at the same level every time.Guardians of the Galaxy is from Disney.Is there a pattern for their releases to be a tad low with the volume.Or as Torqdog mentioned, the opening of the studio intro is a good reference level to go by.If its low, can we assume the movie itself would be at the same level.I felt a bit underwhelmed by the audio level from GOTG.Raising the volume by 4 decibels would've done the trick but I felt apprehensive in doing so.I wanted "no cheating" lol...in hearing the audio track at reference level.
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i would say "no" because guardians is much lower compared to winter soldier, thor dark world, avengers, ect. The other titles i pretty much can play at -15 and be fine....guardians i have to have at -13 to -10.
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ok, so just re-watched guardians again, this time at -11. love it! the only thing i would change would be when the ship crashes. really wanted more rumble on it....but the rest of the movie was really good at the proper level. it boomed when it had to, and hit you in the chest when required. very happy with the mix. you HAVE to bump the volume from your normal listening level tho...it just has to be done. i may watch this thing 10 times before i watch anything else. fun ride to say the least. my kids have seen part too...got too late and needed to hit the hay....but they LOVED what they saw. and surprisingly, they were loving the old school music...well, who wouldn't??
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Did anyone ever figure out if the "rumor" of Walmart selling neutered blu rays is true? I watched the first transformers this weekend and thought it was really weak bass wise. The content was there, it just wasn't loud and did not rumble my couch like pretty much every four star or higher movie.

Then I was thinking, I remembered another walmart movie i putchased from the bargain bin at walmart. Battle of los angeles which gets raved about, I was not inpressed with it at all. I initially believed maybe it was just the limitations of my subs, but I own probably 70 percent of the four star or higher movies and battle of LA ranked near the bottom. I just was not seeing it, but maybe its just the copies of the movies and the rumor is true.

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Did anyone ever figure out if the "rumor" of Walmart selling neutered blu rays is true? I watched the first transformers this weekend and thought it was really weak bass wise. The content was there, it just wasn't loud and did not rumble my couch like pretty much every four star or higher movie.

Then I was thinking, I remembered another walmart movie i putchased from the bargain bin at walmart. Battle of los angeles which gets raved about, I was not inpressed with it at all. I initially believed maybe it was just the limitations of my subs, but I own probably 70 percent of the four star or higher movies and battle of LA ranked near the bottom. I just was not seeing it, but maybe its just the copies of the movies and the rumor is true.

What sub or subs do you use?
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I bought the movie 9 from Walmart, in the bargain bin, and it is a bass monster!
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I've noticed the "bass movies" from the 90s and early 2000s have a unique sound to the LFE/bass. It's like you can tell it has the "old bass sound" if it makes any sense. I'm not sure but maybe they sound more bloated I guess? Some examples are Alien: Resurrection and Jurassic Park III. I rather like that sound.
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What sub or subs do you use?
I have two SVS PB12-NSD's. Not getting the extension some others are getting but still very capable subs.

Maybe it's just all in my head but i keep going back to battle of LA and how i was wondering how it scored so high and then I remember a while back someone talking about that walmart rumor. And
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Make sure your bluray or AVR is not set to night time or compressed viewing. In the past some discs would activate the DRC or night time function of the AVR. I don't remember the details though.

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I bought the movie 9 from Walmart, in the bargain bin, and it is a bass monster!

I love the bargain bin there but the problem is I hate going to Wally World.


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I have two SVS PB12-NSD's. Not getting the extension some others are getting but still very capable subs.

Maybe it's just all in my head but i keep going back to battle of LA and how i was wondering how it scored so high and then I remember a while back someone talking about that walmart rumor. And
Try bumping the sub level by 3-6db, you may also on Transformers be sure its the Dolby TrueHD track playing, this may or may not help

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Any notable scenes from T4, Guardians, and Thor 2?

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I have watched Battle for LA many times. Absolutely great movie and while it does not have scenes that hit the really extreme lows, if has a lot of base heavy content. I have things falling off shelves during that movie, thanks to the soundtrack and my Outlaw LFM-1. Now, I own Oblivion and Godzilla 2014 and they both hit lower, but Battle for LA has a really outstanding soundtrack (and I bought it as one of those "two for one" special packages with Blackhawk down).
I watched Guardians of the Universe this weekend and it is an excellent soundtrack as well...but doesn't test a subwoofer any more than Battle for LA!

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t4 is pretty much a bass fest from beginning to end. the very first scene with the dinosaurs is a ridiculous rumble and a half. gaurdians and thor both have some great overall tracks, with some nice boom in the right spots. all excellent movies for sure and worth watching from beginning to end regardless of the monster bass moments.
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I've noticed the "bass movies" from the 90s and early 2000s have a unique sound to the LFE/bass. It's like you can tell it has the "old bass sound" if it makes any sense. I'm not sure but maybe they sound more bloated I guess? Some examples are Alien: Resurrection and Jurassic Park III. I rather like that sound.
Theatrical mixes.

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I thought you were talking about DVD's.

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i would say "no" because guardians is much lower compared to winter soldier, thor dark world, avengers, ect. The other titles i pretty much can play at -15 and be fine....guardians i have to have at -13 to -10.
Doesn't this mean GOTG is mixed properly and tracks to reference perfectly? I remember everyone having the same complaints about Oblivion. I had to watch that movie at -9 but it sounded amazing.

I think we're used to movies being mixed hot.

By the way, my Pioneer receiver bumps every movie by 4db. Even if it doesn't have dialnorm. I spoke about this before. Someone mentioned it's probably because Pioneer wants to get the bottom 4db if dynamic range. I don't know. I like it though because I can listen at -18 and get good sound quality.

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Anyone get the chance to watch The equalizer?
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ya, equalizer has some really nice bass scenes. not really long scenes or a ton of bass all the time like some movies, but the few scenes it has are really good.
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Just watched "Stargate", the original with Kurt Russel, on BD, WOW from biggining to end was one huge LFE fest!!
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I watched it and it had some bass in the movie. The movie was also very entertaining.
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I have watched Battle for LA many times. Absolutely great movie and while it does not have scenes that hit the really extreme lows, if has a lot of base heavy content. I have things falling off shelves during that movie, thanks to the soundtrack and my Outlaw LFM-1. Now, I own Oblivion and Godzilla 2014 and they both hit lower, but Battle for LA has a really outstanding soundtrack (and I bought it as one of those "two for one" special packages with Blackhawk down).
I watched Guardians of the Universe this weekend and it is an excellent soundtrack as well...but doesn't test a subwoofer any more than Battle for LA!
What?

Godzilla is filtered and only extends to 21hz

B:LA extends to 1hz. Your facts are wrong here. Sorry. B:LA is a bass monster
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What?

Godzilla is filtered and only extends to 21hz

B:LA extends to 1hz. Your facts are wrong here. Sorry. B:LA is a bass monster
Glad you got to it before I did! Even Oblivion isn't on the same level as a Bass monster that B:LA is.
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Watching it tonight/Tuesday with my son...
We're both looking forward to this one

will get back with my thoughts
How old is your son? I liked the movie a lot, but it has graphic violence in it, so you may want to keep that in mind.
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