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i guess i wasn't directly comparing the two as far as extension. i was comparing them in the fact that they both have strong rumble in the room. the type where you feel it in your chair...except that into the storm lasted for like 10 minutes straight. not to mention, i don't get too caught up in single digit extension numbers myself. my system isn't capable of it, and i'm not go drop $5k+ to get usable variations of it. dual xv15's rattles my windows and walls plenty for now.

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I hear you. You're good with the system you have. I just think it needs to be pointed out that this flick isn't in the same league as WOTW. Not even close. Seems like 80% of those comparisons on this thread are by people who don't have the ability to truly experience what WOTW or TIH have to offer or haven't watched either in so long they've forgotten.
I'm going to re-watch WOTW to compare but I remember watching the first 30 minutes a few weeks back and the pod scene was intense but overall I found Into the Storm to have more bass or at the very least longer & more extended bass scenes as several of the tornado scenes were quite long and my walls were rumbling the whole time, not to mention I enjoyed Into the Storm versus WOTW which started off great but began to drag and had a horrible ending.
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"The Golden Compass" with Nicole Kidman & Daniel Craig ... an adventure/fantasy/family type movie. My wife and I watched to this evening ... it would be good for kids of all ages (nothing great, but good). My wife enjoyed it.

Visually interesting, and not just for Nicole Kidman :-) Good scenery and computer graphics.

And most importantly, it gave my SVS PC13ultra a great workout !!! Engines rumbling, bears growling, and a few decent explosions.

I wasn't expecting so much LFE, but within the first 15 min. or so, I could tell that the audio people meant business, LFE-wise :-)

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It's because the person saying it didn't hit hard has F12's, which roll off around 25-30 hz. A lot of the "weight" of expendables bass is 20 hz, which most large subs can do well, and is one of the most obvious bass frequencies as it shakes a lot and you can hear it.
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It's because the person saying it didn't hit hard has F12's, which roll off around 25-30 hz. A lot of the "weight" of expendables bass is 20 hz, which most large subs can do well, and is one of the most obvious bass frequencies as it shakes a lot and you can hear it.
War of the Worlds, which hits way below 20hz, shakes my whole damn house. Expendables 3...not so much. I measured them and my F12's roll off at about 22-23hz, btw.

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Too bad, because the data states otherwise.
I'll take what I'm hearing over your data, because ultimately that's what is most important.
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War of the Worlds, which hits way below 20hz, shakes my whole damn house. Expendables 3...not so much. I measured them and my F12's roll off at about 22-23hz, btw.



I'll take what I'm hearing over your data, because ultimately that's what is most important.
That's because along with the below 20 in WotW it is bloated with 30+ which sounds good to you.

Expendable digs deep and lots of it stronger content is below what your sub is capable of

That's like saying....my Prius is faster than a porche despite what the data says. Cause it sure feels like I'm going fast!
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War of the Worlds, which hits way below 20hz, shakes my whole damn house. Expendables 3...not so much. I measured them and my F12's roll off at about 22-23hz, btw.

I'll take what I'm hearing over your data, because ultimately that's what is most important.
Fair enough, but remember, my post from data-bass was to help you in regards to what you should be getting out of your system. I wouldn't rely on my laptop speakers to reproduce what's on that disc, but that's because I know what they're capable of. Not only does your subs have roll-off but everything in your equipment chain does so as well. Good luck

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Considering human hearing can't really distinguish frequencies below 20hz, subwoofers that can go below 20hz are mostly irrelevant. So my argument is - Expendables 3 has weak bass because it's too low for the human ear to distinguish, so it's poor mixing if you ask me. There's no point in including an element like that in an audio track if you can't hear it, regardless of whether your equipment can reproduce it. It's like using a pen with invisible ink to write a letter that you can only see under certain circumstances. I'm happy that your charts show that it's there, but it still sounds poor. Overall, I thought the track sounded weak too.
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Considering human hearing can't really distinguish frequencies below 20hz, subwoofers that can go below 20hz are mostly irrelevant. So my argument is - Expendables 3 has weak bass because it's too low for the human ear to distinguish, so it's poor mixing if you ask me. There's no point in including an element like that in an audio track if you can't hear it, regardless of whether your equipment can reproduce it. It's like using a pen with invisible ink to write a letter that you can only see under certain circumstances. I'm happy that your charts show that it's there, but it still sounds poor. Overall, I thought the track sounded weak too.
You have no clue about lfe if this is your thought process.

You'd be better off with a htib
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Considering human hearing can't really distinguish frequencies below 20hz, subwoofers that can go below 20hz are mostly irrelevant. So my argument is - Expendables 3 has weak bass because it's too low for the human ear to distinguish, so it's poor mixing if you ask me. There's no point in including an element like that in an audio track if you can't hear it, regardless of whether your equipment can reproduce it. It's like using a pen with invisible ink to write a letter that you can only see under certain circumstances. I'm happy that your charts show that it's there, but it still sounds poor. Overall, I thought the track sounded weak too.
Oh, you hear it... You hear your house rumbling and you definitely feel it! If you are not experiencing 20hz and lower, you're missing out big time! My favorite is 15-20hz, what an experience!
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You have no clue about lfe if this is your thought process.

You'd be better off with a htib
Thank you for the condescending tone. It'll help me to remember to ignore your infantile and inflammatory posts in the future.

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Oh, you hear it... You hear your house rumbling and you definitely feel it! If you are not experiencing 20hz and lower, you're missing out big time! My favorite is 15-20hz, what an experience!
I feel plenty with my dual F12's. Anything more is entirely unnecessary. If I wanted to feel things anymore than I already do, I would install those ridiculous Buttkicker things in my seats.
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Thank you for the condescending tone. It'll help me to remember to ignore your infantile and inflammatory posts in the future.



I feel plenty with my dual F12's. Anything more is entirely unnecessary. If I wanted to feel things anymore than I already do, I would install those ridiculous Buttkicker things in my seats.

No condescension meant. It's a fact. You claim under 20hz is bad mixing?! You don't understand what lfe is or how it works. It's That simple. You would most definitely be more pleased with a htib. It's exactly what you enjoy. I don't see how this is inflammatory.

You saying buttkicker a are rediculous is more inflammatory than what I was saying. That's for sure.
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In nature (not just movie mixes), events do occur below 20Hz. Earthquakes wouldn't be so bad if nothing shook. Bombs wouldn't be as bad if it didn't blow nothing up. Same with grenades. Same with jet engines.

You CAN make an argument for SciFi movies. Who the hell knows what noise a spaceship makes going into warp. Or what a phaser really sounds like.

Life without bass is not worth living.
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A door slamming or even closing is much lower than 20hz
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I'm a scientist (Neuroscience to be exact) and I understand where QuiGonJosh is coming from. He relies on subjectivity over objectivity when it comes to LFE. Completely understandable. This is just a hobby and people are entitled to their opinion. We've all been there at some point.
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I'm a scientist (Neuroscience to be exact) and I understand where QuiGonJosh is coming from. He relies on subjectivity over objectivity when it comes to LFE. Completely understandable. This is just a hobby and people are entitled to their opinion. We've all been there at some point.
I understand. But he is stating the need for under 20hz as useless and unneeded as fact and not his opinion
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I saw Hobbit 3 in HFR last night. We decided to try a newer theater AMC at Galleria Mall) and were pleasantly surprised. It was small, only 8 rows of 7 seats and JBL speakers. The seats were the best of any theater I've ever been in as they were power recliners. The sound was fantastic, even the bass as was the picture (once you get used to the initial weird soap opera effect of HFR). Here's hoping the BR sounds as good!

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Thank you for the condescending tone. It'll help me to remember to ignore your infantile and inflammatory posts in the future.



I feel plenty with my dual F12's. Anything more is entirely unnecessary. If I wanted to feel things anymore than I already do, I would install those ridiculous Buttkicker things in my seats.
I get it, ignorance is bliss which I have chosen with both audio and video in this hobby at times over the years (but I at least could admit that I was being ignorant), but make no mistake......you are ignorant. Just play the Washington Monument scene on a system that is capable in the 17-23hz area which is where this scene is focused IIRC and then play it back on your system which rolls off around 25hz or so as you mention and there is no way you would not be able to tell a major difference. That is just one of many examples of course.

Transducers and shakers are certainly not "ridiculous" if implemented correctly and only create the sensation of enhancing the subwoofer which is obviously a good thing. Not too mention they can turn a relatively tactile-less concrete slab HT room into something much more reminiscent of a suspended wood floor HT room. My BKs have literally transformed my HT, even with 4 nice subs, into a next level experience. Again though, ignorance is bliss and until you actually experience this you cant understand.

As far as Expendables 3, I just noticed Amazon has it for $16.99 right now so I am going to jump on it! Looking forward to checking it out as this looks like it will play to the strengths of my gear/setup looking at the graphs!

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