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Bass is good. Not as good as Conjuring, tho. IMO, of course.
So is the Conjuring the only horror movie with the best bass? Are there more horror movies in bluray with 5 star bass?


Any good bass in the Dawn of the Planet of the Apes in bluray?
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Overall audio, true. LFE, no. Same mix, you're not going to tell a difference.
No. The bass on bluray sounds more cleaner and controlled compared to the DVD version. The DVD is sometimes louder but lacks detail and sounds sloppy. I'm always comparing dvd to bluray. I've learned the characteristics of each when it comes to PQ and SQ.

Try it yourself.

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So is the Conjuring the only horror movie with the best bass? Are there more horror movies in bluray with 5 star bass?


Any good bass in the Dawn of the Planet of the Apes in bluray?
yes to apes..

the Haunting is a very good horror bass flick

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yes to apes..

the Haunting is a very good horror bass flick
Thanks, will buy the Apes.

About the Haunting, is this movie in bluray or DVD? If it is in DVD, is it the DTS version or the regular Dolby Digital version?
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dvd dts version is the one i have...dot know if its out in BR

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No. The bass on bluray sounds more cleaner and controlled compared to the DVD version. The DVD is sometimes louder but lacks detail and sounds sloppy. I'm always comparing dvd to bluray. I've learned the characteristics of each when it comes to PQ and SQ.

Try it yourself.
I have and I disagree completely. Only way to eliminate psychoacoustics is a blind test. The bandwidth for LFE covers at most 1-120 Hz. For the rest of the audio spectrum 1-20,000 KHz is used. Big difference. DVDs can easily handle the LFE spectrum.
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I have and I disagree completely. Only way to eliminate psychoacoustics is a blind test. The bandwidth for LFE covers at most 1-120 Hz. For the rest of the audio spectrum 1-20,000 KHz is used. Big difference. DVDs can easily handle the LFE spectrum.
Like i said try some comparisons yourself. The difference is there. The bluray is clearly superior. Lossy vs lossless on bluray i find the same on some movies. It can be identical but there a few blurays where it's night and day. V for Vendetta is one example. The overall SQ is much better with the lossless track than the 384kbps DD. Then there others like Pirates of the Caribbean 1 to 3 i find there's no difference at all. And that's a Dolby Digital track at 640kbps vs a PCM track at a constant 6.9mbps.

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Perhaps there is at least one movie that has better bass in DVD than BR. The Haunting and TitanAE DVDs have incredible bass.
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Interesting. The guys over at Data-bass say it IS filtered and similar to Riddick. Riddick did sound great but was obviously missing the ULF.

They also said perhaps it could have been filtered after it was mixed. If that was the case and I was FilmMixer I would be pissed.

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Didn't Riddick have solid LFE down to 15hz ? That's a pretty respectable use of LFE and it did sound great. I'm really hoping "Fury" delivers as I plan a blind buy
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Perhaps there is at least one movie that has better bass in DVD than BR. The Haunting and TitanAE DVDs have incredible bass.
And then there's this. But still, some DVD's may be louder and not filtered but they don't have that.......cleanliness and sense of direction and space that the bluray versions have. Twister is yet another good example i find.

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Like i said try some comparisons yourself. The difference is there. The bluray is clearly superior. Lossy vs lossless on bluray i find the same on some movies. It can be identical but there a few blurays where it's night and day. V for Vendetta is one example. The overall SQ is much better with the lossless track than the 384kbps DD. Then there others like Pirates of the Caribbean 1 to 3 i find there's no difference at all. And that's a Dolby Digital track at 640kbps vs a PCM track at a constant 6.9mbps.
640k DD can sound pretty damn good. The dvd rate 384 and 448 do not sound good and I can tell easily.

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It actually sounds better on BD but the bass was neutered <30hz compared to the dvd version.

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Didn't Riddick have solid LFE down to 15hz ? That's a pretty respectable use of LFE and it did sound great. I'm really hoping "Fury" delivers as I plan a blind buy
Riddick starts to roll off <30hz but it does have pretty decent LFE just not much ULF content. Expect similar from 'Fury'. It does have very hard hitting bass though.

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Didn't Riddick have solid LFE down to 15hz ? That's a pretty respectable use of LFE and it did sound great. I'm really hoping "Fury" delivers as I plan a blind buy
Steep filter on that one, -10db point at 27hz

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^^^^ Can't complain about hard hitting bass! I'm sure the extra ULF grunt would have put this over the top !

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And then there's this. But still, some DVD's may be louder and not filtered but they don't have that.......cleanliness and sense of direction and space that the bluray versions have. Twister is yet another good example i find.
By definition, BR tracks will have higher bitrate audio than DVDs. Assuming that, and then assuming your contention that BR LFE is tighter/less sloppy, whatever because of the technical limitations of DVD, then you would NEVER have a DVD that sounds better for the LFE spectrum. That's not the case. Also, what "direction and space" are you hearing from the LFE portion of the track??

Again, I'm sure you do hear differences. But unless you're subjected to a blind test, you can't possibly know how much of it can be attributed to the psychological effect of KNOWING you're listening to a lossless track.
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Not to mention when the vast majority of AVR's and Pre's when DRC is applied its a max of 48khz from bluray regardless of the sampling rate that pretty much levels the playing field of using a higher sampling rate. Still to date IMHO 192/24 bit lossless from Akira and a few more, are the only movies that can boast a discernable difference in fidelity! That's of course if you turn Audyssey and the like off !
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By definition, BR tracks will have higher bitrate audio than DVDs. Assuming that, and then assuming your contention that BR LFE is tighter/less sloppy, whatever because of the technical limitations of DVD, then you would NEVER have a DVD that sounds better for the LFE spectrum. That's not the case.
What dvd's sound better than the bluray versions? None.

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Haha. It just sounds more real to me. It has better presence. I'm mentioning alot of superlatives but that's the best way i can explain what i experience.
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Again, I'm sure you do hear differences. But unless you're subjected to a blind test, you can't possibly know how much of it can be attributed to the psychological effect of KNOWING you're listening to a lossless track.
I'd love to do one. I'm sure i'll still be able to tell the difference.

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What dvd's sound better than the bluray versions? None.
Umm, a couple were quoted on this very page. Again, we're not talking about the overall track, just the LFE.

Haha. It just sounds more real to me. It has better presence. I'm mentioning alot of superlatives but that's the best way i can explain what i experience.

That's part of your problem. You think that presence, direction, and "airiness" comes from your LFE channel--it doesn't. Those cues come from your speakers. If you're hearing direction from your subs, it's crossed too high.
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Umm, a couple were quoted on this very page. Again, we're not talking about the overall track, just the LFE.
Like I explained some dvd's are louder and unfiltered but the bluray still sounds better. Yes the LFE track.



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No man I'm not talking about the speakers at all. I know the difference. The bass on the bluray is more realistic and well put together. You're going to have to compare for yourself to understand.

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Like I explained some dvd's are louder and unfiltered but the bluray still sounds better. Yes the LFE track.





No man I'm not talking about the speakers at all. I know the difference. The bass on the bluray is more realistic and well put together. You're going to compare yourself to understand.
Lol. Ok, I guess you're just going to keep ignoring where I said that I had. Hey, if it sounds better to you, that's all that matters at the end of the day.
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Where did you say you've done these comparisons?

Anyway yeah this is what I hear. Everyone has a different opinion on PQ and AQ. But I mean the bass quality on dvds and blurays should be readily apparent.

The last movie I tested was Iron Man 3. Same results.

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I have and I disagree completely. Only way to eliminate psychoacoustics is a blind test. The bandwidth for LFE covers at most 1-120 Hz. For the rest of the audio spectrum 1-20,000 KHz is used. Big difference. DVDs can easily handle the LFE spectrum.
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... well I would agree that the track with the higher bit rate(most typically found on blurays) would have better quality.... however the track with the deeper lfe tracks(non filtered, usually found on dvd copies, and not blurays) have "better" lfe(low frequency effects/extension). I think that's the argument, not weather or not someone's subjective listening experience tends to make them think one track is better than the other. Data is all I care about.

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Like i said try some comparisons yourself. The difference is there. The bluray is clearly superior. Lossy vs lossless on bluray i find the same on some movies. It can be identical but there a few blurays where it's night and day. V for Vendetta is one example. The overall SQ is much better with the lossless track than the 384kbps DD. Then there others like Pirates of the Caribbean 1 to 3 i find there's no difference at all. And that's a Dolby Digital track at 640kbps vs a PCM track at a constant 6.9mbps.


If the mixes are different, which is often the case, between DVD and BD, there's a good chance they'll sound different (and contain different data).

I've compared Hellboy DVD to to its BD counterpart. On these tracks, the mixer remapped the vocals to a song, from L&R (DVD) to the CC (BD), and restored the vocals to the song that disappear from the DVD (at 25:20), then reappear (at 25:48).
If you have both discs (DVD 0 43396 01317 9 and BD 0 43396 19172 3), and want to hear the difference, turn off your CC, play the DVD from 25:14 to 26:39 and play the BD from 26:28 to 28:16. Then play both segments with the CC on.

To me, the difference was obvious when I first heard the BD (hence, my research). Sometimes, my CC can throw an image that is smaller and more forward than a dual-mono image, as it did in this case.

There may be others on these discs, but they didn't grab my attention.

My point is, once someone's put their mitts on the stems, there's a good chance they've made some changes. So, the differences you hear may have nothing to do with codecs or the colour of the laser's beam.

Oh, and in this instance, I might prefer the dual-mono on the DVD over that of the CC on the BD, that doesn't mean I'll say the DVD is superior to the BD. It's just my preference, and one that is likely to be system-dependent.
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... well I would agree that the track with the higher bit rate(most typically found on blurays) would have better quality.... however the track with the deeper lfe tracks(non filtered, usually found on dvd copies, and not blurays) have &quot;better&quot; lfe(low frequency effects/extension). I think that's the argument, not weather or not someone's subjective listening experience tends to make them think one track is better than the other. Data is all I care about.
I spoke about this above.

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Since listening is subjective and open to our own biases...has someone measured a movie on DVD vs BD and show that the lfe is different? That is the ONLY WAY to settle this question...with SCIENCE!
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If the mixes are different, which is often the case, between DVD and BD, there's a good chance they'll sound different (and contain different data).

I've compared Hellboy DVD to to its BD counterpart. On these tracks, the mixer remapped the vocals to a song, from L&R (DVD) to the CC (BD), and restored the vocals to the song that disappear from the DVD (at 25:20), then reappear (at 25:48).
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To me, the difference was obvious when I first heard the BD (hence, my research). Sometimes, my CC can throw an image that is smaller and more forward than a dual-mono image, as it did in this case.

There may be others on these discs, but they didn't grab my attention.

My point is, once someone's put their mitts on the stems, there's a good chance they've made some changes. So, the differences you hear may have nothing to do with codecs or the colour of the laser's beam.

Oh, and in this instance, I might prefer the dual-mono on the DVD over that of the CC on the BD, that doesn't mean I'll say the DVD is superior to the BD. It's just my preference, and one that is likely to be system-dependent.
Yes blurays can have a different mix. Maby more for the older releases than recent ones. But there are lossy and lossless tracks on the same bluray that still sound different. The Patriot is another where the overall sound and LFE are better with the PCM track than the DD. I guess it depends because that's not always the case as i explained in my other post.

I even find that lossy on bluray has better quality to it than the same lossy on dvd. How about that.

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