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This isn't bass related, but what's the reason that they do variable aspect ratios? I never really noticed it until the other day while I was watching a movie.. thinking hm, this would be nice without the bars, and then a few minutes later, I noticed it was full screen.. Is there any reason for it, other than they just happened to use different cameras?
usually they are IMAX releases...of the movie that utilizes the full imax screen for certain scenes...some directors like to keep that imax presentation for Bluray as well

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Was planning a blind buy on Interstellar until I found out it was variable aspect Any scope screen users here and if so how is the framing to a constant 2.35/40?
While I have my copy I haven't viewed it yet, but I didn't noticed any offending cropping during those scenes. I'm just assuming they didn't reframe the commercial widescreen version like with Avatar. Having said that it's too good a movie, even if that's an issue, not to purchase.

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There is no such thing. LFE tracks are not filtered, there is just not much going on below 30Hz because it is intendet by the effects designer. You people always think that there is a lot of volume below 30Hz which is then being filtered. That's not the case. What's also not true is that a good soundtrack is identified by lots of rumble below 30 or even 30Hz.
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There is no such thing. LFE tracks are not filtered, there is just not much going on below 30Hz because it is intendet by the effects designer. You people always think that there is a lot of volume below 30Hz which is then being filtered. That's not the case. What's also not true is that a good soundtrack is identified by lots of rumble below 30 or even 30Hz.
That's quite the bold (and wrong) statement to make. Are there tracks that simply don't have the low end present from the outset? Of course. But there is CLEARLY filtering being done on some tracks, as well. Sometimes done to retain headroom for the loudness wars, and sometimes because the sound mixers think like you, that below 30Hz doesn't count. You posted this in a thread that is specifically about the content you said there's not a lot of.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is always someone who pops up on this thread and makes the same erroneous claims. Just because YOU might not care or be able to reproduce this content doesn't mean it isn't there.
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That's quite the bold (and wrong) statement to make. Are there tracks that simply don't have the low end present from the outset? Of course. But there is CLEARLY filtering being done on some tracks, as well. Sometimes done to retain headroom for the loudness wars, and sometimes because the sound mixers think like you, that below 30Hz doesn't count. You posted this in a thread that is specifically about the content you said there's not a lot of.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is always someone who pops up on this thread and makes the same erroneous claims. Just because YOU might not care or be able to reproduce this content doesn't mean it isn't there.

I'm a big fan of bass heavy movies and I'm just as perplexed by the strange mixes we've heard over the last several yeas as everyone else here is. However, the term "filtering" gets thrown around a lot in this thread but let's be clear about a few things...

Do we really have proof from industry insiders that there are in fact filters on these tracks?...No, at least not that I've seen here.

Does a graph of the audio showing a roll off at a certain LF mean it's filtered?...Maybe but not necessarily.

There have been several film mixers that have posted in this thread in the past and not one of them has ever confirmed a filter was applied to their mixes.

We are still seeing some tracks with plenty of LF content below 30 hz and others with little or no content below that. Why is that?...we may never really know until we hear from the mixers themselves.
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I'm a big fan of bass heavy movies and I'm just as perplexed by the strange mixes we've heard over the last several yeas as everyone else here is. However, the term "filtering" gets thrown around a lot in this thread but let's be clear about a few things...

Do we really have proof from industry insiders that there are in fact filters on these tracks?...No, at least not that I've seen here.

Does a graph of the audio showing a roll off at a certain LF mean it's filtered?...Maybe but not necessarily.

There have been several film mixers that have posted in this thread in the past and not one of them has ever confirmed a filter was applied to their mixes.

We are still seeing some tracks with plenty of LF content below 30 hz and others with little or no content below that. Why is that?...we may never really know until we hear from the mixers themselves.
I agree that "filtered" is a catch-all term that we use liberally and I'm just as guilty of that. But we do have plenty of evidence that filters are used. In Man Of Steel, they used actual concrete walls to crash to the ground. In the real world, this will clearly have ULF content. But it was not evident in the track.

There are several tracks (can't recall which at the moment) where there is a pretty steep rolloff overall, but some effects are so hot that the ULF content peeks through--overcoming the filters.

Then there's the instances like the infamous Master and Commander. ULF content present on the DVD but missing on the Blu. Same with Cloverfield, but to a lesser extent.

I conceded the point that there are certainly mixes that just never included the deep stuff. And Film Mixer has said that he personally does not add a filter. But that doesn't mean that no one does. The evidence is pretty clear--at least to me.
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There is no such thing. LFE tracks are not filtered, there is just not much going on below 30Hz because it is intendet by the effects designer. You people always think that there is a lot of volume below 30Hz which is then being filtered. That's not the case. What's also not true is that a good soundtrack is identified by lots of rumble below 30 or even 30Hz.
Ummmm……. Isn't this thread about BASS in movies? Of course we discuss soundtracks that have deep rumbles below 30Hz.

And there are plenty of posts here that mention that a movie has a good soundtrack even though it sadly lacks good bass. But after it gets mentioned we move on to movies with good bass.

I think most of us appreciate a good soundtrack but to make a soundtrack truly great we believe it needs the inclusion of good deep bass rumbling. That's just the way we are. We're funny that way.
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That's quite the bold (and wrong) statement to make. Are there tracks that simply don't have the low end present from the outset? Of course. But there is CLEARLY filtering being done on some tracks, as well. Sometimes done to retain headroom for the loudness wars, and sometimes because the sound mixers think like you, that below 30Hz doesn't count. You posted this in a thread that is specifically about the content you said there's not a lot of.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is always someone who pops up on this thread and makes the same erroneous claims. Just because YOU might not care or be able to reproduce this content doesn't mean it isn't there.
Sorry to burst YOUR bubble but the one who is making an erroneos claim is you.
There is NO proof of some filtering going on in movie soundtracks. It is just some random term being used and thrown at all sorts of occasions because it sounds well. Just because everyone is repating it without having NO proof it is not getting true.
Show me the theatrical LFE track in comparison with the one of the blu ray of interstellar or some other movie an I'll believe you. Hoever without knowing the counterfactual there is no proof of filtering going on because you do not know what was intendet.
Same applies to Hobbit 3. It soundet lame already in my cinema an thus in my homecine and thus there is not much going on bass-wise. But is it "filtered". Nope. Just stop throwing random and misused technical terms. There are nor lizards or illuminati filtering your LFE tracks.
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Sorry to burst YOUR bubble but the one who is making an erroneos claim is you.
There is NO proof of some filtering going on in movie soundtracks. It is just some random term being used and thrown at all sorts of occasions because it sounds well. Just because everyone is repating it without having NO proof it is not getting true.
Show me the theatrical LFE track in comparison with the one of the blu ray of interstellar or some other movie an I'll believe you. Hoever without knowing the counterfactual there is no proof of filtering going on because you do not know what was intendet.
Same applies to Hobbit 3. It soundet lame already in my cinema an thus in my homecine and thus there is not much going on bass-wise. But is it "filtered". Nope. Just stop throwing random and misused technical terms. There are nor lizards or illuminati filtering your LFE tracks.
Keep arguing with a man made of straw if you want. Nobody in the thread claimed that this filtering took place between the theater and the blu-ray.
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Interesting debate on the definition, or lack of definition of "filtering".
How about a time out, a group hug and may I simply suggest a new acronym that is less provoking

"ALFE"

Absence of Low Frequency Extension
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There is no such thing. LFE tracks are not filtered, there is just not much going on below 30Hz because it is intendet by the effects designer. You people always think that there is a lot of volume below 30Hz which is then being filtered. That's not the case. What's also not true is that a good soundtrack is identified by lots of rumble below 30 or even 30Hz.
There is GOBS of information present in some movies below 30hz. These effects add weight to the track, and when done right, the effect is well worth it. A good soundtrack is identified by the absence of clipping, proper channel mixes, and overall dynamics. This includes the information below 30hz and even down to 10hz. It is important. and btw, what do you mean "YOU people?"
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There is no such thing. LFE tracks are not filtered, there is just not much going on below 30Hz because it is intendet by the effects designer. You people always think that there is a lot of volume below 30Hz which is then being filtered. That's not the case. What's also not true is that a good soundtrack is identified by lots of rumble below 30 or even 30Hz.
Yes there is such thing.

There are plenty of cases where the use of a filter in the deep bass is clearly present. Now, this is not always the case. Some see a rolloff of average effects as "OMG FILTERED!!!" but that is not the case either.

If that were true then 90% of movies are filtered and everything that is old that does not have extension past 'X' number frequency are all filtered which is just not true.

I do agree that a good soundtrack does not have to have a ton of content below a certain threshold of frequency but they can be much improved with that content.

For example, I'd much much rather have a clean, undistorted, non-clipped very dynamic surround mix that is limited to 30hz extension than one that is loaded with clipping, no dynamics and extends to 5hz. I'm sure most people would agree.

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If 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea ever makes it to bluray I hope they fill that thing with the bass it deserves. I remember thinking it was a bass monster, of course that's so long ago and in a time without much subwoofage....but anyway - make it happen BuenaVista/Disney!
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... I'd much much rather have a clean, undistorted, non-clipped very dynamic surround mix that is limited to 30hz extension than one that is loaded with clipping, no dynamics and extends to 5hz. I'm sure most people would agree.
Well said. But what I really want is both.


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Well said. But what I really want is both.
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I'm with you Fatshaft Exodus is a killer bass track. Not sure why it's not getting any traction either. It's definitely quality over quantity.

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I'm with you Fatshaft Exodus is a killer bass track. Not sure why it's not getting any traction either. It's definitely quality over quantity.
That is because 30hz rather easy compared to 3hz-20hz and most people around here can do 30hz and not the latter.

Also 30hz sounds more impressive than the <20hz to most people.

You can't really miss a solid minute of sustained 30hz bass from Interstellar. It's in your face bass! It's much easier to miss/ignore lots of transient 3hz-20hz content. More subtle....maybe.

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I like the intense bass sweeps, like the grenade scene in WWZ. It's a trip to hear the house rattling at the different freqs. That scene even made the window in my front door rattle. 30Hz can't do that.
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Was planning a blind buy on Interstellar until I found out it was variable aspect Any scope screen users here and if so how is the framing to a constant 2.35/40?
I have a 2.4 screen. My proj auto adjusts between 16:9 and 2.4 so I usually let it do that on variable movies like Tron. It's only distracting for like a second and it's the best of both worlds the rest of the movie.

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I have a 2.4 screen. My proj auto adjusts between 16:9 and 2.4 so I usually let it do that on variable movies like Tron. It's only distracting for like a second and it's the best of both worlds the rest of the movie.

I'm watching Friday night and will post if it seems overly terrible.
Cool and I am curious to hear your thoughts. I will watch Fri night as well masked to a straight 2.40. I find most these VA films frame well enough to a constant 2.40 (as GP mentions), but not all. Transf 4 3d VA for example when framed/masked to a constant 2.40 has many wonky framing moments that just don't look good.

Good to hear positive comments though about Interstellar when framed in a constant scope aspect and I am curious to judge it for myself Fri.
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I know the frequency charts have already been posted for Interstellar, but here's Data-Bass' post on it. Worth a look

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I know the frequency charts have already been posted for Interstellar, but here's Data-Bass' post on it. Worth a look

http://data-bass.ipbhost.com/index.p...scussion-poll/
the post about the oppo 105 in there was even more interesting than the charts to me
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