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Here is a good recent example with Expendables 3 DD 5.1 vs TrueHD 7.1 where they are damn near identical as far as low end.....

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If there's no perceptive difference in the bass between lossy and lossless audio; then I'll have super early tonight and I will start again buying DVDs instead of Blu-rays.
Thank you very much.

Obviously there are other reasons to buy the blu ray vs the DVD I don't know about you, but on my 9' wide screen, there is a vast difference in general PQ between DVD and blu ray among other things.

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Nothing psycho about me buddy.
Lol. I wasn't insulting you. Psychoacoustics is well-known phenomenon where people perceive difference when there is none. That's what makes blind tests so important.

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The blu ray had a fair number of loud bass moments, but nothing real deep subjectively from my viewing. If it did go deep, it was not at a high level.
Agreed. Decent bass, nothing special.

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If there's no perceptive difference in the bass between lossy and lossless audio; then I'll have super early tonight and I will start again buying DVDs instead of Blu-rays.
Thank you very much.

But wait a second here; how would I get hi-def picture in 3D now? ...And why are they calling the audio on Blu-ray hi-res?
Did my ears lie to me during all those years (from 2006)? ...That's almost ten years. ...5,000+ DVDs and 4,000+ Blu-rays later. ...Plus 400+ HD DVDs.
I'll have to reassess my situation; perhaps $7.99 a month (Netflix) is good enough? ...I really think NOT.

'Apocalypse Now' ... a great flick, on Blu-ray. ...The Redux version.
...With reasonable bass, but nothing to shake down my four walls and crash my ceiling on my head plus crack the floor under my feet.
I don't think anyone on this thread has said that DVD is preferable to blu Ray. There are clearly benefits to the lossless medium, namely the overall resolution of the audio and picture quality. The only thing we're talking about is the bass, which comprises .585% of the bandwidth. Certainly not a night and day difference.
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I don't think anyone on this thread has said that DVD is preferable to blu Ray. There are clearly benefits to the lossless medium, namely the overall resolution of the audio and picture quality. The only thing we're talking about is the bass, which comprises .585% of the bandwidth. Certainly not a night and day difference.
For some folks here that's all the difference between life and death. ...Include me in that bunch of great folks.

And don't feed them no less than lossless bass. ...Including me of course.
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I'm not so sure about Babadook being hailed for good bass. There really wasn't that much. Is bass worse on Netflix? That's how I watched it.
There isn't much bass, just a couple scenes iirc.
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And don't feed them no less than lossless bass. ...Including me of course.

Sure, but lossless bass doesn't mean $hit in a case like Master and Commander where the low end has been neutered compared to the lossy track on the dvd. All things being equal, we all want the lossless audio, but if you think you are getting any actual significant real world difference in the bass department with lossless vs lossy (again, all things being equal like same mix and volume) bass, you are fooling yourself.

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You seem to be stuck with 'Master and Commander' ...yes, I know all about it, but I do have another 4,000+ Blus in my arsenal @ home. ...Real discs.

And 'Master ...' sounds great on Blu-ray. ...Abso!ute!y phenomenal with height information and them canons!
{I also have the Sp. Ed. on DVD as well; but when time to revisit it is still the Blu-ray for me...all the way, lossless bass included.}
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For some folks here that's all the difference between life and death. ...Include me in that bunch of great folks.

And don't feed them no less than lossless bass. ...Including me of course.
Methinks you misunderstood me. Not saying that's the percentage difference between one or the other. Saying that the LFE comprises that much of the total bandwidth. You don't need more digital information to properly represent that. But, believe what you will.
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Methinks you misunderstood me. Not saying that's the percentage difference between one or the other. Saying that the LFE comprises that much of the total bandwidth. You don't need more digital information to properly represent that. But, believe what you will.
Ok. That was the amount of info dedicated to the LFE channel.

I don't believe in this case here; I use my ears and body vibrations and overall physical and sensory satisfaction.
And I get more from the bass on Blu-ray with hi-res audio than compressed audio. ...Very physical assessment, nothing to do with believing.
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You seem to be stuck with 'Master and Commander' ...yes, I know all about it, but I do have another 4,000+ Blus in my arsenal @ home. ...Real discs.

And 'Master ...' sounds great on Blu-ray. ...Abso!ute!y phenomenal with height information and them canons!
{I also have the Sp. Ed. on DVD as well; but when time to revisit it is still the Blu-ray for me...all the way, lossless bass included.}
I gave other examples, but you don't seem to be reading or comprehending my posts very well as you are missing the point!

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Ok. That was the amount of info dedicated to the LFE channel.

I don't believe in this case here; I use my ears and body vibrations and overall physical and sensory satisfaction.
And I get more from the bass on Blu-ray with hi-res audio than compressed audio. ...Very physical assessment, nothing to do with believing.

If this is your only "proof", there is nothing left to discuss. There have been tons of objective measurements that suggest otherwise over the years between these AVS bass threads, data-bass, etc...... and we have already talked about why you might be hearing a difference as all the variables are not the same if you truly are hearing a difference.

We have also given MANY examples at this point where the lossy DVD DD/DTS track will actually give you stronger "body vibrations and overall physical and sensory assessment" as you put it vs the lossless blu ray track, but this is simply due to being a different mix and or level difference. From your faulty logic however we should conclude from these examples that lossy DD/DTS on DVD is superior for bass vs lossless blu ray which of course is also ridiculous.

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Alright, from now on I will switch to the lossy audio track from all my Blu-rays.

* Did you check the bass from 'Exodus: Gods and Kings' recently, on Blu? ...Not bad, not bad @ all.

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