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Here is a good recent example with Expendables 3 DD 5.1 vs TrueHD 7.1 where they are damn near identical as far as low end.....

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If there's no perceptive difference in the bass between lossy and lossless audio; then I'll have super early tonight and I will start again buying DVDs instead of Blu-rays.
Thank you very much.

Obviously there are other reasons to buy the blu ray vs the DVD I don't know about you, but on my 9' wide screen, there is a vast difference in general PQ between DVD and blu ray among other things.

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Nothing psycho about me buddy.
Lol. I wasn't insulting you. Psychoacoustics is well-known phenomenon where people perceive difference when there is none. That's what makes blind tests so important.

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The blu ray had a fair number of loud bass moments, but nothing real deep subjectively from my viewing. If it did go deep, it was not at a high level.
Agreed. Decent bass, nothing special.

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If there's no perceptive difference in the bass between lossy and lossless audio; then I'll have super early tonight and I will start again buying DVDs instead of Blu-rays.
Thank you very much.

But wait a second here; how would I get hi-def picture in 3D now? ...And why are they calling the audio on Blu-ray hi-res?
Did my ears lie to me during all those years (from 2006)? ...That's almost ten years. ...5,000+ DVDs and 4,000+ Blu-rays later. ...Plus 400+ HD DVDs.
I'll have to reassess my situation; perhaps $7.99 a month (Netflix) is good enough? ...I really think NOT.

'Apocalypse Now' ... a great flick, on Blu-ray. ...The Redux version.
...With reasonable bass, but nothing to shake down my four walls and crash my ceiling on my head plus crack the floor under my feet.
I don't think anyone on this thread has said that DVD is preferable to blu Ray. There are clearly benefits to the lossless medium, namely the overall resolution of the audio and picture quality. The only thing we're talking about is the bass, which comprises .585% of the bandwidth. Certainly not a night and day difference.
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I don't think anyone on this thread has said that DVD is preferable to blu Ray. There are clearly benefits to the lossless medium, namely the overall resolution of the audio and picture quality. The only thing we're talking about is the bass, which comprises .585% of the bandwidth. Certainly not a night and day difference.
For some folks here that's all the difference between life and death. ...Include me in that bunch of great folks.

And don't feed them no less than lossless bass. ...Including me of course.
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I'm not so sure about Babadook being hailed for good bass. There really wasn't that much. Is bass worse on Netflix? That's how I watched it.
There isn't much bass, just a couple scenes iirc.
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And don't feed them no less than lossless bass. ...Including me of course.

Sure, but lossless bass doesn't mean $hit in a case like Master and Commander where the low end has been neutered compared to the lossy track on the dvd. All things being equal, we all want the lossless audio, but if you think you are getting any actual significant real world difference in the bass department with lossless vs lossy (again, all things being equal like same mix and volume) bass, you are fooling yourself.

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You seem to be stuck with 'Master and Commander' ...yes, I know all about it, but I do have another 4,000+ Blus in my arsenal @ home. ...Real discs.

And 'Master ...' sounds great on Blu-ray. ...Abso!ute!y phenomenal with height information and them canons!
{I also have the Sp. Ed. on DVD as well; but when time to revisit it is still the Blu-ray for me...all the way, lossless bass included.}
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For some folks here that's all the difference between life and death. ...Include me in that bunch of great folks.

And don't feed them no less than lossless bass. ...Including me of course.
Methinks you misunderstood me. Not saying that's the percentage difference between one or the other. Saying that the LFE comprises that much of the total bandwidth. You don't need more digital information to properly represent that. But, believe what you will.
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Methinks you misunderstood me. Not saying that's the percentage difference between one or the other. Saying that the LFE comprises that much of the total bandwidth. You don't need more digital information to properly represent that. But, believe what you will.
Ok. That was the amount of info dedicated to the LFE channel.

I don't believe in this case here; I use my ears and body vibrations and overall physical and sensory satisfaction.
And I get more from the bass on Blu-ray with hi-res audio than compressed audio. ...Very physical assessment, nothing to do with believing.
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You seem to be stuck with 'Master and Commander' ...yes, I know all about it, but I do have another 4,000+ Blus in my arsenal @ home. ...Real discs.

And 'Master ...' sounds great on Blu-ray. ...Abso!ute!y phenomenal with height information and them canons!
{I also have the Sp. Ed. on DVD as well; but when time to revisit it is still the Blu-ray for me...all the way, lossless bass included.}
I gave other examples, but you don't seem to be reading or comprehending my posts very well as you are missing the point!
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Ok. That was the amount of info dedicated to the LFE channel.

I don't believe in this case here; I use my ears and body vibrations and overall physical and sensory satisfaction.
And I get more from the bass on Blu-ray with hi-res audio than compressed audio. ...Very physical assessment, nothing to do with believing.

If this is your only "proof", there is nothing left to discuss. There have been tons of objective measurements that suggest otherwise over the years between these AVS bass threads, data-bass, etc...... and we have already talked about why you might be hearing a difference as all the variables are not the same if you truly are hearing a difference.

We have also given MANY examples at this point where the lossy DVD DD/DTS track will actually give you stronger "body vibrations and overall physical and sensory assessment" as you put it vs the lossless blu ray track, but this is simply due to being a different mix and or level difference. From your faulty logic however we should conclude from these examples that lossy DD/DTS on DVD is superior for bass vs lossless blu ray which of course is also ridiculous.
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Alright, from now on I will switch to the lossy audio track from all my Blu-rays.

* Did you check the bass from 'Exodus: Gods and Kings' recently, on Blu? ...Not bad, not bad @ all.

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Got to watch Babadook this weekend. As mentioned before everyone my have a different take on the film. I for one did not care for it that much and well there were a couple of good bass moments that made the wife jump she also thought the movie wasn't all that. There were times in the film where more bass would have made the experience more satisfying and eerie.

I got TMNT in the mail yesterday and hope to spin it tonight for some bass redemption!!

I've also moved up Oblivion to the top of my queue for a viewing so I can give this film the respect it deserves.
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Got to watch Babadook this weekend. As mentioned before everyone my have a different take on the film. I for one did not care for it that much and well there were a couple of good bass moments that made the wife jump she also thought the movie wasn't all that. There were times in the film where more bass would have made the experience more satisfying and eerie.

I got TMNT in the mail yesterday and hope to spin it tonight for some bass redemption!!

I've also moved up Oblivion to the top of my queue for a viewing so I can give this film the respect it deserves.
Thanks for your take on Babadook. I think I'm going to hold off on renting this one for now. I think you will like the TMNT as far as the bass is concerned, as I have the BD which has the Atmos track. Post up after giving it a spin !! Glad to see you are going to give Oblivion a spin as that movie is just Awesome in my book. It's one of the best out there with all around performances.
I did revisit Interstellar this past weekend and found the film to be much more enjoyable than the first time !! I watched it solo this time and cranked it a lot louder on the main volume on the AVR. No dialog issues and the bass was excellent when there was bass scenes.
I was able to watch Exodus: Gods and Kings andas stated I think the guys/gals may have a better benefit with a power house sealed sub to abstract the deep bass. I did not get much from it with my ported subs. Movie overall was great as I liked it.
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So, the bass chart is the best indicator, the one we should abide by, or when we comment personally about the bass of a flick we watched recently, or in the past, should we mention if it is from Netflix (streaming), a download, from Vudu, from normal cable TV, from VHS, from DVD, from Blu-ray, from any other?

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The bass recorded on DVD and the bass recorded on Blu-ray (encoding), and in general (average, not the exceptions); which is the one with better "definition"?

Is it more important the "loudness" in decibels (constant, and on peaks too), the lowest audio frequencies in Hertz, the fine resolution, all together; yes that would be.
Is there more to it?

* AJ, I'm here to learn, and I'm interested.

One more thing; our room's acoustics (the low frequencies)...how much of an impact does it have on objective measurements and subjective auditory transfer?
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Thanks for your take on Babadook. I think I'm going to hold off on renting this one for now. I think you will like the TMNT as far as the bass is concerned, as I have the BD which has the Atmos track. Post up after giving it a spin !! Glad to see you are going to give Oblivion a spin as that movie is just Awesome in my book. It's one of the best out there with all around performances.
I did revisit Interstellar this past weekend and found the film to be much more enjoyable than the first time !! I watched it solo this time and cranked it a lot louder on the main volume on the AVR. No dialog issues and the bass was excellent when there was bass scenes.
I was able to watch Exodus: Gods and Kings andas stated I think the guys/gals may have a better benefit with a power house sealed sub to abstract the deep bass. I did not get much from it with my ported subs. Movie overall was great as I liked it.

Looking forward to the Atmos track on TMNT and will post up! Heard there is a few good bass scenes.

Glad to hear you were able to enjoy Intersteller the second time around. I'm still on the short wait list from Netflix and hope to see it soon. Just like you I may have to kick up the volume a tad more. We watched Exodus this past weekend and thought it was good overall given the liberties they took. Sort of the same they did with Noah.

With your review of Oblivion how could I keep passing it up!! I would have watched it sooner if we hadn't seen it a couple times before I got my sub. Since it's been a year now I figure it's about time to load this into the player and prepare for the feast my eye's an ears are about to enjoy.
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Alright, from now on I will switch to the lossy audio track from all my Blu-rays.

* Did you check the bass from 'Exodus: Gods and Kings' recently, on Blu? ...Not bad, not bad @ all.
I know very well about that, lost my old Velodyne at the parting of the Red Sea. Oh well it was time for a replacement...very happy with new SVS.
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I know very well about that, lost my old Velodyne at the parting of the Red Sea. Oh well it was time for a replacement...very happy with new SVS.
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I did revisit Interstellar this past weekend and found the film to be much more enjoyable than the first time !! I watched it solo this time and cranked it a lot louder on the main volume on the AVR. No dialog issues and the bass was excellent when there was bass scenes.
This is getting to be a common theme with a lot guys who weren't fans of the movie (or were on the fence) with the first viewing. The 2nd viewing seems to be converting a lot of people to the merits of the movie.

I liked the movie the first time I saw it but I admit it pushed the envelope in areas and I can see how it may be an acquired taste for some.
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Looking forward to the Atmos track on TMNT and will post up! Heard there is a few good bass scenes.

Glad to hear you were able to enjoy Intersteller the second time around. I'm still on the short wait list from Netflix and hope to see it soon. Just like you I may have to kick up the volume a tad more. We watched Exodus this past weekend and thought it was good overall given the liberties they took. Sort of the same they did with Noah.

With your review of Oblivion how could I keep passing it up!! I would have watched it sooner if we hadn't seen it a couple times before I got my sub. Since it's been a year now I figure it's about time to load this into the player and prepare for the feast my eye's an ears are about to enjoy.
I'm curious to know what you thought about the bass in Exodus ? I know you upgraded your sub, but is it a sealed or ported ? My experience with Exodus was, it had a few good bass moments, but did not hit hard. I did like the Noah film as well and thought the acting and bass was done very, very well !!
Yes Sir !! Oblivion will be a great work out for your sub and that one scene
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^^ I prefer the grenade scene in WWZ than that Oblivion scene.
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This is getting to be a common theme with a lot guys who weren't fans of the movie (or were on the fence) with the first viewing. The 2nd viewing seems to be converting a lot of people to the merits of the movie.

I liked the movie the first time I saw it but I admit it pushed the envelope in areas and I can see how it may be an acquired taste for some.
Yep Hopinater,
You are correct and it did not take the 3rd time as the charm !! I'm just being honest as I really did not like it the 1st time. Cranking the volume, no interruptions, no dosing off , all made a huge difference. So now I can say, I'm glad I did a blind buy on that one !!

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^^ I prefer the grenade scene in WWZ than that Oblivion scene.
I agree with that as I think it did hit much harder and lower. However the overall movie of Oblivion IMO blows WWZ out of the water !!
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I'm curious to know what you thought about the bass in Exodus ? I know you upgraded your sub, but is it a sealed or ported ? My experience with Exodus was, it had a few good bass moments, but did not hit hard. I did like the Noah film as well and thought the acting and bass was done very, very well !!
Yes Sir !! Oblivion will be a great work out for your sub and that one scene
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I enjoyed the bass but I have a ported sub so do not go much below 17Hz. If the film did go lower I would not have been able to feel it. I did notice also that it was not as loud and maybe in a future viewing I'll run the bass a little hotter. I felt it though as
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I just got done with TMNT and enjoyed the bass! The movie was ok for what it was and allowed me to just kick back and remember when they first came out in the late 80"s early 90"s. I really liked the bass when

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I enjoyed the bass but I have a ported sub so do not go much below 17Hz. If the film did go lower I would not have been able to feel it. I did notice also that it was not as loud and maybe in a future viewing I'll run the bass a little hotter. I felt it though as
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I just got done with TMNT and enjoyed the bass! The movie was ok for what it was and allowed me to just kick back and remember when they first came out in the late 80"s early 90"s. I really liked the bass when

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OK Great !!
I agree with your statements and glad you enjoyed the bass in TMNT. I'm still waiting on the new DTS-X sound track to hit the BD market. I would like to know how it will stack up against those Atmos tracks.
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After reading these posts I keep going back and fourth on what movies to play the first nite I get the room going which is really soon. I have 4 si 18's in a very big slot ported boxes powered by a inuke 6000. What would you guys recommend. Say top 5 movies today to buy or rent for the first couple of nights having the room going. Are some movies bass clips better in a sealed box verse ported. Mike

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After reading these posts I keep going back and fourth on what movies to play the first nite I get the room going which is really soon. I have 4 si 18's in a very big slot ported boxes powered by a inuke 6000. What would you guys recommend. Say top 5 movies today to buy or rent for the first couple of nights having the room going. Are some movies bass clips better in a sealed box verse ported. Mike
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Thanks I'll try these out!!! Looking forward to the room shaking lol

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Just saw the Jurassic World trailer. Looks scary.
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