Originally Posted by Toe
The funny thing is even Maxmercy at data-bass who measured the track labeled Salvation as "demo material" referring to the gas station scene up through the capture which I agree with.
I think it's also important to note that while data-bass is the best bass measuring resource we have, it's certainly not perfect and can't ever tell the full story on any given bass track since you still need to actually watch the film in question to see how the bass that is there interacts with the on screen action. Not to mention data-bass can't account for personal preference since that will be different for everyone as some (like me and Fatshaft) prefer bass fest type tracks while others pefer more finesse or whatever. Data-bass is an excellent resource, but it's certainly not the bible and still needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
The other thing is just because a track rates objectively high does not mean all of us will have the same opinion on it after watching relative to other tracks for reasons mentioned above (personal preference). And while system and room variables can certainly account for a lot of the difference of opinion, that is not always the reason for it as we could squash all the variables and all be sitting in the same room and still all have a different opinion about what bass tracks are good, great and the best. A track like OHF as mentioned before scores high objectively, but the lacking mid bass and poor execution in spots (some of the weapons sound/feel like cap guns
) makes the bass feel incomplete for some of us. Because of all this, there are numerous bass tracks that rate higher overall in my book even if they are objectively graded lower vs OHF. Just one example to illustrate my point.
All of that is marvelously well said. For myself, to say that graphs and measurements are only of the merest passing ex post facto concern to me, probably appears to attribute too much value to them in my outlook. Fact is, I come at this from the standpoint of a fan of film and fan of bass -- all kinds, varieties, flavors, and colors in that bass range, and truth be told, I only ever care about what it sounds like, not what the graph looks like -- mystifies me why it is of any concern whatsoever when it comes to stating an opinion -- best I can speculate, such things help insulate folks from insecurity, bolster their confidence that their opinion will be "right."
Whatever...when this type of quote appears next to "objective" scoring: "Tremendous midbass film, the gas station scene up to the HK capture is demo material," I see the subjective term "tremendous," and the fact that the author refers to a segment as "demo material," which itself incorporates all kinds of variables that reduce to opinion.
And not that I have specific interest, but unless I'm mistaken, something like the scoring system is itself highly subjective -- unless every concievable presentation is codified as representing a certain predetermined point value -- in other words, the set rules might lay out something like: "more than two seconds inclusion of a below 15hz pulse at 110dBs qualifies as a certain scored value," which is averaged against a minute by minute readout of the presentation -- unless you have an infinite number of possibilities accounted for, someone is formulating a subjective score (based on measurements), which itself is relative to standards or norms sitting outside the film being so evaluated.
Level - 5 Stars (113.8dB)
Extension - 3 Stars (17Hz)
Dynamics - 4 Stars (26.4dB)
Execution - 4 Stars
What is indicated by "Execution"? -- please, not that I really care, but how does that get objectively scored? -- again, the question purely rhetorical -- just that it seems like an opinion...whatever.
So anyway, just know that when I share my opinion, it will undoubtedly bear no relationship whatsoever to how the film has measured out, but that is just me -- others will come along with the graphs and charts -- in fact, I got a kick out of FATSHAFT sharing his graphing of MONSTERS DC -- seemed like he was having a blast -- good on ya brother!