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post #22531 of 22560 Old 08-25-2015, 09:17 AM
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I've only watched the first half hour or so of JA and it is a pretty compressed track; dialogue is rather low relative to everything else. Not impressed.

Also MM-FR is not very dynamic either, loud yes but dynamic not really.
Perhaps the BR is better than the HDX file but I doubt it will be drastically different; should have some actual numbers when the disc is released.

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actually the dynamics on JA are pretty top of the line. I think your wrong on your assessment. No compression
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I was far more impressed by Big Hero 6 in regards to dynamics than MM or JA, hopefully the BR is more impressive but from what I watched of the HDX version it seems rather similar to when I saw it twice in an Atmos theater in respects to how loud it is.

Perhaps down the line I'll give JA another shot but I was not engaged by the story and it sounded to have a fair amount of peak normalization to me.

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JA did have some nice surround panning.
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re-watched Jupiter Ascending last night...while yes it has deep monstrous bass...i feel there is way too much going on audio and visual wise for the track to be enjoyable...its almost muddy (not the bass) with the sound effects plus the score...definitely not as good as insurgent..

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If my memory serves correctly I agree with you. It's a great bass flick but at times everything can get overwhelming…detracting from the experience instead of enhancing it. But that was only at certain times, certainly not the entire film.
I will have to agree on this one ! but did note a different experience once I noticed that somehow the loundness compensation and one other mode was on in my 8802 turning it off brought the front stage on par with the rest of the mix and was breath taking at -5 or reference volume. It's a lot going on perhaps to much prior to finding the engaged settings, I did drop the level on the TF/TR and it did help with separation and balanced the sound, so drop the levels on the surrounds for non Atmos users and see it it helps as they may be a tad hot! or you have a mode unknowingly engaged
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I will have to agree on this one ! but did note a different experience once I noticed that somehow the loundness compensation and one other mode was on in my 8802 turning it off brought the front stage on par with the rest of the mix and was breath taking at -5 or reference volume. It's a lot going on perhaps to much prior to finding the engaged settings, I did drop the level on the TF/TR and it did help with separation and balanced the sound, so drop the levels on the surrounds for non Atmos users and see it it helps as they may be a tad hot! or you have a mode unknowingly engaged
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Just finished watching Avengers Age of ultron. It had DD audio but the bass was seriously lacking. Will the HD audio help or is this track neutered?
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re-watched Jupiter Ascending last night...while yes it has deep monstrous bass...i feel there is way too much going on audio and visual wise for the track to be enjoyable...its almost muddy (not the bass) with the sound effects plus the score...definitely not as good as insurgent..

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JA ticks all the boxes but seems to suffer from what? Tough crowd.....
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JA ticks all the boxes but seems to suffer from what? Tough crowd.....
Haha

I just feel too much going on distracts from the good bass to allow it to be one of the greats (for me) . There's more to it than just unfiltered. Variety dynamics (btw unfiltered and full bandwidth are the same thing) so for me the presentation or execution is only 4 star (and everyone sans one at data-bass agree) it's not a 5 star bass flick. Very very good but not up to par with the greats. That's all
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To much going on "visual wise" for the track to be enjoyable? Not sure what that even means. I'm going to watch JA again probably Fri night as I want to check out the audio again (with my new sub/speakers) and the 3d (watched in 2d my first watch). Curious to see if my opinion changes on the audio which I don't anticipate.

Also not sure what Brian means that everyone sans 1 at DB rated this 4 star? The track has been voted 5 stars for execution over there.

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To much going on "visual wise" for the track to be enjoyable? Not sure what that even means. I'm going to watch JA again probably Fri night as I want to check out the audio again (with my new sub/speakers) and the 3d (watched in 2d my first watch). Curious to see if my opinion changes on the audio which I don't anticipate.

Also not sure what Brian means that everyone sans 1 at DB rated this 4 star? The track has been voted 5 stars for execution over there.
Hmmm maybe I had too much to drink lol. Not sure what I was looking at as far as rating I stand corrected lol

And I was saying about too much going on BOTH audio and visual. Obviously the audio is the important part there

I just felt after a third viewing too much crap going on in the sound department. The bass was monsterous (as I said numerous times) I just feel it could have been done better Again just my opinion The odd part is I loved it the first two times I watched. Maybe it was my mood last night or whatever. Who knows
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i need to rewatch JA now that i have my v3600. it's possible it may be a different experience.
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Hmmm maybe I had too much to drink lol. Not sure what I was looking at as far as rating I stand corrected lol

And I was saying about too much going on BOTH audio and visual. Obviously the audio is the important part there

I just felt after a third viewing too much crap going on in the sound department. The bass was monsterous (as I said numerous times) I just feel it could have been done better Again just my opinion The odd part is I loved it the first two times I watched. Maybe it was my mood last night or whatever. Who knows
Gotcha and I totally understand that as I have experienced the same thing over the years as I have revisited various tracks. I have always found it interesting that with all variables the same except my mood (or if I am in an altered state of mind as you mention ) how a track might be better or not as good to some degree vs what I remember.

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Well now just finished insurgent. Gotta say. Really wish there was more bass then just the last act but wow is my favorite thus far this year!

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JA ticks all the boxes but seems to suffer from what? Tough crowd.....
No tough crowd here...I've always liked the movie (a lot) but there were a few times that it got pretty intense with a lot going on all at once. In those rare moments I felt there was a detracting element. It wasn't enough to ruin the movie by any means, I'm just acknowledging the scenes exist. The vast majority of the movie was a lot of fun with great bass. And I really liked the colors used in the movie, very dynamic and powerful visuals.
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No tough crowd here...I've always liked the movie (a lot) but there were a few times that it got pretty intense with a lot going on all at once. In those rare moments I felt there was a detracting element. It wasn't enough to ruin the movie by any means, I'm just acknowledging the scenes exist. The vast majority of the movie was a lot of fun with great bass. And I really liked the colors used in the movie, very dynamic and powerful visuals.
Got to say the gunshots were an awesome bass experience. Unlike any other movie.
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i need to rewatch JA now that i have my v3600. it's possible it may be a different experience.
JA was the first movie I watched with my V3600. Dig (and Toe) with your new V3600 I don't think you will have any trouble finding the bass in the movie.
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Got to say the gunshots were an awesome bass experience. Unlike any other movie.
Very true. I felt them and heard them. That's always fun!
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I just feel too much going on distracts from the good bass to allow it to be one of the greats (for me) . There's more to it than just unfiltered. Variety dynamics (btw unfiltered and full bandwidth are the same thing) so for me the presentation or execution is only 4 star (and everyone sans one at data-bass agree) it's not a 5 star bass flick. Very very good but not up to par with the greats. That's all
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Well now just finished insurgent. Gotta say. Really wish there was more bass then just the last act but wow is my favorite thus far this year!

Bring on mad max
Big statement Brian, some hard hitters out there... Will be watching it this weekend.

Edit: Come to think of it I can only think of a couple of good ones this year and they are JA (obviously) and Everly (not my favourite but good). I watched the Admiral the other night and it had a lot of bass too. Not much variance but I guess that was a heavy hitter. Apart from those (John Wick?) is it just me or has this been a lean year for movies with bass so far? I know a way to go yet.

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Big statement Brian, some hard hitters out there... Will be watching it this weekend.

Edit: Come to think of it I can only think of a couple of good ones this year and they are JA (obviously) and Everly (not my favourite but good). I watched the Admiral the other night and it had a lot of bass too. Not much variance but I guess that was a heavy hitter. Apart from those (John Wick?) is it just me or has this been a lean year for movies with bass so far? I know a way to go yet.
I think you are right but I remember (back in April?) someone predicting that this year didn't look good for bass heavy movies. Looks like they may have been correct.
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I think you are right but I remember (back in April?) someone predicting that this year didn't look good for bass heavy movies. Looks like they may have been correct.
True till the end of year blockbuster's hit home (hint hint Atmos movies)! but the one's we did get are mostly rewatchable and some where indeed top notch
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One child home sick watching movies..... Insurgent today then.
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Insurgent was worth watching and yes the bass was very good even if it only really came alive in the last 30 minutes or so. When it did it was worth the wait, quite powerful. Insurgent doesn't best Jupiter Ascending though and it will be very hard to beat IMO, for a while......
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Big day at the office for me today. Just done Watching "Dead in Tombstone". Like "Pale Rider" on steroids. Big bass film this one and I enjoyed it. Fatshaft, man this must be one of your favourites! Hits hard virtually all the way through and seemed pretty clean to me. Was a while ago but one of the better B graders out there and bass doesn't disappoint if lacking a little subtlety, finesse. It's a full on bludgeoning.
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Count me in as a JA bass monster machine believer, even with my new, only one HSU VTFmk2, I noticed how much bass is through out the movie!
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Same here, I thought JA had amazing bass all the way through the movie!! I also really liked EOT for bass (except for the intro ...its just seems out of place and to much watching at -10 with subs about 6 db hot. I shut it down about half way through ...feels like something is going to break (something in the house, the subs or both!!)) Although I likes both JA and EOT, bass seems a bit different between the two. More ULF I think in JA and a bit more mid bass in EOT, at least on my system. I got my mid bass dialed in a little better and loving it! Although I love ULF (I can only go down to about 12 HZ, not counting Crowsons), I think I like good mid bass even more. Having both is definitely nice though!
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Also enjoyed the hell out of a couple of the older ones recently. Hellboy 2, Oblivion, and Star Trek: Into Darkness. The bass on all these was down right amazing and thought the overall sound mixes were over the top good as well! Not sure which I liked most Hellboy 2 bass is just nutz!
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I know lately we have been talking about the monster bass movies but if you haven't tried Run All Night give it a go. I don't think it goes real deep (if my memory serves) but there is an almost constant heavy thick bass rumble running through much of the movie. Pretty intense.
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