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Utron wasn't recorded in a phone boot?

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Can't believe how low the volume is on Ultron
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Can't believe how low the volume is on Ultron
It has better extension though than he first avengers
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Sorry Scott but they are completely different.
MM is way louder.
There's maybe a 10DB difference between both tracks (This is what I'm pointing at)
Avengers looks like it was made for earphones!

You know I'm sure it will probably hit hard at my place but I have a feeling I will have to listen @ +25DB on my Master volume

Just sayin'.
+ 25DB LOL! Only you FS I figure they wanted to out do the first one by seeing just how steep of a cliff they could drop off the bass from they could've of just asked this guy and gave us the goods!
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Wow. 10dB differential. Crank it up doods
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Here you go Scotty

@beastaudio your avatar scares the crap out of me!
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It looks like 5 dB less at 30hz, the same at 20hz, but 8 dB more at 10. The average level is very low so I bet this running hot sounds better than the first, more weight to it. I am still not thrilled though.

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Here you go Scotty
Yeah, definitely louder than Ultron. Thanks.

Not meaning to put you to work but is it possible to "level match" the graphs so we can look at the difference in PvA ignoring the difference in level?
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I fixed it back to something normal I was just having fun for a bit
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Going off memory, Ultron does have more extension than the first, but there's not much of it. I usually listen at -10/-8 db, but cranked this up to -2 and went up 2 db on the sub level, too. Still seemed lifeless to me overall, not just the LFE.
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the audio is DTS-HD MA, but sounds like watching VCD
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Can adding DSP Cinema reverb, and enlarging the room's dimension help...with Utron soundtrack?

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Can adding DSP Cinema reverb, and enlarging the room's dimension help...with Utron soundtrack?
I'll let you know but it (CinemaDSP) does not do anything other than enhance the way the acoustically space is perceived. So a crummy soundtrack will still sound crummy ....just.... enhanced.
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MMFR and Avengers 2 are not even in the same galaxy. MM has about 15db advantage in the 20-50hz range on the average graph!!!
From 10-20hz, Aveng 2 has nothing significant and MMFR is between 15-25db louder on the average.
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Avengers/marvel franchise is tired and has no oomph and terrible home video sound mixes. Not even going to bother streaming this one.
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I'll let you know but it (CinemaDSP) does not do anything other than enhance the way the acoustically space is perceived. So a crummy soundtrack will still sound crummy ....just.... enhanced.
Ok Scott, good enough.

You know...when I read someone mentioning that Disney is for kids and they don't want to scare them with too much low bass...because they want to make sure they feel no "pain" when purchasing all those Avengers U!tron products; figurines, t-shirts, baseball caps, coffee mugs, comic books, drawing books, crayolas, Halloween costumes, Avengers runners and shoes, caps, hammers, green plastic suits, latex spandex tights suits, ...all that U!tron stuff including stickers and tattoos; it all made sense @ the end.

And for older teenagers, like us, too bad we won't have all the bass we wish for, and we'll have to order some of them Disney 3D Blu-rays from overseas if we really want them...'Ratatouille' from PIXAR...just as one example.

But you guys, bass aficionados of the higher echelon, why don't you get D-Box like the true bass shaker champions you all pretend to be?
D-Box man...that's the way to truly put some serious trembling motion under your butts. Yeah, get them FOX Blu-ray titles encoded with D-Box motion and equip your home theater chairs with the appropriate gear...or just buy them chairs already equipped with D-Box motion...if you are too lazy to diy.

Hey, what da ya think of dat now! ...And I seriously mean that because once you experienced D-Box there is no coming back.
And I believe that it ain't just FOX Blu-rays that are encoded by such...but also from other Hollywood movie studios.

I have a big pile of Blus encoded with D-Box...I just need to get that chair...someday. Google it...you'll see what kind of "impact" I'm talkin' 'bout.
Just a simple and logical suggestion to all bass lovers. ...Because after all, there is no good bass like bad ass.
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Avengers/marvel franchise is tired and has no oomph and terrible home video sound mixes. Not even going to bother streaming this one.
That is exactly why earlier I asked if U!tron was recorded inside a phone boot, with some echoes added to it to simulate a larger phone boot.
Kid's stuff man, kinder garden sand box for the easily sensitive type. ...With easy tears in their eyes when that hammer strikes.

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Have you ever tried out D-Box NorthSky? I have tried it several times at various Cedia shows and have never been impressed. It really does turn HT into some type of ride which might sound cool (and some think it is), but I thought it was very gimmicky and felt very separate from what the subs were doing which took me out of the presentation. I find a well set up Buttkicker (or Crowson I am sure) attached to a floor joist or riser of some sort MUCH more natural and convincing vs D-Box. That's just me though and obviously there are many who love it.
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Have you ever tried out D-Box NorthSky? I have tried it several times at various Cedia shows and have never been impressed. It really does turn HT into some type of ride which might sound cool (and some think it is), but I thought it was very gimmicky and felt very separate from what the subs were doing which took me out of the presentation. I find a well set up Buttkicker (or Crowson I am sure) attached to a floor joist or riser of some sort MUCH more natural and convincing vs D-Box. That's just me though and obviously there are many who love it.
No Toe, I've just read extensively about it...right from the beginning when it was invented/developed by these two Frenchmen in Longueil, Quebec...my native province and language.

There are various designs...and from all prices....$5,000-30,000+ depending on how many seats and levels of motion...apparatuses and their centrifuge force...motor's strength. ...You can have all four corners of a two-seater, love seat, or couch, covered for the u!timate experience/shake.

There must be some good theaters in Hollywood equipped with D-Box motion chairs...or are they the more private type?
Peter (CINERAMAX) probably has some knowledge...much more than I about D-Box and which theaters.

I don't know what type they had @ CEDIA in the past; can you give me a link?

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Have you ever tried out D-Box NorthSky? I have tried it several times at various Cedia shows and have never been impressed. It really does turn HT into some type of ride which might sound cool (and some think it is), but I thought it was very gimmicky and felt very separate from what the subs were doing which took me out of the presentation. I find a well set up Buttkicker (or Crowson I am sure) attached to a floor joist or riser of some sort MUCH more natural and convincing vs D-Box. That's just me though and obviously there are many who love it.
I've watched a couple movies with D box and the one word that best described the experience is irratation.
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No Toe, I've just read extensively about it...right from the beginning when it was invented/developed by these two Frenchmen in Longueil, Quebec...my native province and language.

There are various designs...and from all prices....$5,000-30,000+ depending on how many seats and levels of motion...apparatuses and their centrifuge force...motor's strength. ...You can have all four corners of a two-seater, love seat, or couch, covered for the u!timate experience/shake.

There must be some good theaters in Hollywood equipped with D-Box motion chairs...or are they the more private type?
Peter (CINERAMAX) probably has some knowledge...much more than I about D-Box and which theaters.

I don't know what type they had @ CEDIA in the past; can you give me a link?
No, I don't have a link. Cedia has been held in Denver 5 times since 2006 or 2007 and I have gone each time. I couldn't tell you what exactly they were using in the demo each time. I would sure as hell hope a demo at Cedia would be optimally setup, but who knows. Just know that it wasn't all it was cracked up to be and when you factor in the price, it was even less impressive.

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That was my experience as well!
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Make sure you buy the latest D-Box equipment just out. Having followed D-Box for a long time and experienced it with 3D & top projector viewing, it is great. I haven't looked how the Dolby Atmos,DTS-X fits in to the system. D-Box has incredible amount of ready to experience D-box movies (thousands). Everytime I buy a new bluray i always look for the D-Box logo on back. D-box is expensive like Panamorpic lens, Kaleidescape streaming, (D-Box offered),we all want one.
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Make sure you buy the latest D-Box equipment just out. Having followed D-Box for a long time and experienced it with 3D & top projector viewing, it is great. I haven't looked how the Dolby Atmos,DTS-X fits in to the system. D-Box has incredible amount of ready to experience D-box movies (thousands). Everytime I buy a new bluray i always look for the D-Box logo on back. D-box is expensive like Panamorpic lens, Kaleidescape streaming, (D-Box offered),we all want one.
Unless it has been dramatically improved from 2 years ago which is when I experienced it last, I sure don't want one in all due respect. There are a number of very expensive HT items that are WAY out of my price range that I would love to have (like a Sony 4k projector which I fell in love with), but D-box is absolutely not one of them from what I have experienced. I don't mean any disrespect though and respect that many enjoy it, I am just not one of them as I found it gimmicky and unnatural each and every time I have demoed it.
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+1 Toe

I'd read about it for several years and finally got to try it a few years ago. They played the opening scene from I am Legend where Will Smith is driving in the mustang. That seat was tossing me around everywhere. It makes relaxing and watching a movie next to impossible and you'd spill your beer!


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We're just talking; I added another perspective to the movie "impact" experience...with motion...which is certainly a good aspect of intense low bass.

We all have various taste in movies, in music, in quality recordings, on amount of bass, on satisfying impact, on thrill rides, on roller coaster rides.
The more folks joining the fun and with their experience, or not, that's what this thread is all about...master movies with great bass dominance and awesome encoding and decoding @ home. ...Like 'Interstellar'.

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But you guys, bass aficionados of the higher echelon, why don't you get D-Box like the true bass shaker champions you all pretend to be?
D-Box man...that's the way to truly put some serious trembling motion under your butts.
Ugh.

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No Toe, I've just read extensively about it...
Yeah.. I can tell. You do not know of what you speak here, Bob.

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I've watched a couple movies with D box and the one word that best described the experience is irratation.
It's annoying as f**k and expensive too.

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I'd read about it for several years and finally got to try it a few years ago. They played the opening scene from I am Legend where Will Smith is driving in the mustang. That seat was tossing me around everywhere. It makes relaxing and watching a movie next to impossible and you'd spill your beer!
You can adjust the level of motion...there are several levels.

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You are abso!utely right Scott; I don't have a single clue on what I'm talking about...no real first hand experience whatsoever.

But you do...and you didn't like it, and so Toe and others. I apologize...and let's get back to what you like...lots of bass, loud and low.
I was a little off topic, and four people hate D-Box.

No problemo, only what we do love.
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Thanks for the comparison. It's pure utter crap is what Ultron is. Couldn't believe what my ears weren't hearing.
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