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Old 09-25-2015, 03:43 AM
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Wow, after some bass drought, suddenly San Andreas, Jurassic World & Terminator Genisys all three released about the same time, hopefully bass/audio in these three will not be filtered & disappointed like Ultron

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Old 09-25-2015, 04:49 AM
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thats usually how it goes...the summer is drought time...and the big summer releases come out all at once....so hers to hoping they are not neutered
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thats usually how it goes...the summer is drought time...and the big summer releases come out all at once....so hers to hoping they are not neutered
Two of which are incoded with Atmos and I'm willing to bet on great bass as that seems to be the trend thus far
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San Andreas is loud (not sure if i could go reference with it) but the LFE is great in the Hoover scene (only scene i checked out)! Definitely a house shaker. Jurassic World seems MEH to me, seems centered around 40-60hz but not a expert on judging frequency, dynamics didn't seem that great either. Terminator Genisys is a good one to check out also with some good bass that seems well used.
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Arrow Bass that rip apart your ceiling and split your floor to smithereens. ...Sure should.

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Wow, after some bass drought, suddenly San Andreas, Jurassic World & Terminator Genisys all three released about the same time, hopefully bass/audio in these three will not be filtered & disappointed like Ultron
Those are three big titles...that should resonate strongly with "shaking powerful high decibels, dynamics and low bass extension"...on Blu-ray, and in 3D sound and picture immersion. Looking forward big big time for them in 3D on Blu.

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It wouldn't hurt to mix in the Dolby and DTS trailers at the start. Thats one area LD always did right and BR needs to step up. It really gets the juices flowing.
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Toe, did you see The Age of Adaline ? ...There are few good bass moments in that flick...plus the storyline is good...and the actor's performances...plus Blake Lively.

No kid eating tree though...just few snow flakes.
I saw this movie and I agree it is enjoyable and easy on the eyes. But I don't really remember any bass moments - now I'm thinking my sub may be lacking? Do you mind telling us when the bass hits, I will watch again and check?
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I saw this movie and I agree it is enjoyable and easy on the eyes. But I don't really remember any bass moments - now I'm thinking my sub may be lacking? Do you mind telling us when the bass hits, I will watch again and check?
Definitely has bass hits. Which for the genre was surprising. Both come at car crash scenes
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Jurassic World, Terminator Genisys and San Andreas were all disappointing. San Andreas in particular is a terrible movie, I didn't think they could make a worse disaster movie than 2012 but never underestimate Hollywood ! AoU may well end up the best blockbuster of the summer with the worst audio mix
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Arrow 'The Age of Adaline' ... on Blu.

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I saw this movie and I agree it is enjoyable and easy on the eyes. But I don't really remember any bass moments - now I'm thinking my sub may be lacking? Do you mind telling us when the bass hits, I will watch again and check?
Quick out of my head; the very first car crash...plunging into the river. ...And then near the end...another car crash. ...They are both bass impacting...no doubt about that.

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i just wanted to say: this thread is awesome!

i'm going to use some of this info in a few of my classes. thanks, folks!
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Jurassic World, Terminator Genisys and San Andreas were all disappointing. San Andreas in particular is a terrible movie, I didn't think they could make a worse disaster movie than 2012 but never underestimate Hollywood ! AoU may well end up the best blockbuster of the summer with the worst audio mix
Over time I learned few things from this thread; it don't really matter if the film is good or not...it has mainly to do with the BASS.

Some of the worst films have excellent bass (not all of them though), and vice versa.

And "bass" is not the same for everyone...some folks have multiple quality subwoofers...others use their soundbars.
And not everyone tune the bass in their room equally.
It's a moving target for many...and an extreme delight for the fortunate few.

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i just can not fathom how san andreas could fall short in the bass department. if you can't get some idiot audio engineer to agree that there should be TONS of sub sonic stuff all over in this film....well then houston we have a problem and there should be some massive protests in hollywood. quality of the movie aside, this is one that i have had my eye on since i saw the first preview and can't wait to FEEL it in my home.
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Is there audible difference between HD audio and normal DD/DTS when it comes to bass? A friend has an old receiver without HDMI, he uses optical out.
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Given the same mix (true 90% of the time) you won't hear a difference in the bass.
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i just can not fathom how san andreas could fall short in the bass department. if you can't get some idiot audio engineer to agree that there should be TONS of sub sonic stuff all over in this film....well then houston we have a problem and there should be some massive protests in hollywood. quality of the movie aside, this is one that i have had my eye on since i saw the first preview and can't wait to FEEL it in my home.
Have you seen it at home yet? I watched in on Vudu and it definitely didn't disappoint me as far as bass. Not only was the bass loud, but room pressurizing as well, by pressurizing I mean when I can feel my pants flap. Now my subs don't play that deep, 3 pb1000s, to say if it will be deep enough for some here, but it was no Ultron and should please the majority.
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Is there audible difference between HD audio and normal DD/DTS when it comes to bass? A friend has an old receiver without HDMI, he uses optical out.
Optical/digital coax can't pass the newer audio codecs.
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Is there audible difference between HD audio and normal DD/DTS when it comes to bass? A friend has an old receiver without HDMI, he uses optical out.
I did fairly rigorous testing a while back albeit subjective and found that over HDMI the recordings were possibly louder but not necessarily better. I'm sure there are exceptions to this but as wth718 has mentioned they would be few and far between. I say this with the disclaimer that my testing was done pre Atmos. Another thing to consider is over optical you can only feed 5.1 whereas HD you can feed 7.1 and Atmos 11.1. I can only comment on the merits of 7.1 vs 5.1 and the difference isn't huge IMO. Your friends biggest difference would come when he/she upgrades the old receiver to something more recent which would likely bring a significant step up in sound quality. This is an old argument which resurfaces every now and then and can set off pages of debate. I hope that this answer will prevent the thread from derailing.

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Jurassic World, Terminator Genisys and San Andreas were all disappointing. San Andreas in particular is a terrible movie, I didn't think they could make a worse disaster movie than 2012 but never underestimate Hollywood ! AoU may well end up the best blockbuster of the summer with the worst audio mix
Is it just me or did parts of San Andreas go from live action to animated?
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It wouldn't hurt to mix in the Dolby and DTS trailers at the start. Thats one area LD always did right and BR needs to step up. It really gets the juices flowing.
It's been a while, but I am struggling to recall there being many, if any, trailers on laserdisc.
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I did fairly rigorous testing a while back albeit subjective and found that over HDMI the recordings were possibly louder but not necessarily better. I'm sure there are exceptions to this but as wth718 has mentioned they would be few and far between. I say this with the disclaimer that my testing was done pre Atmos. Another thing to consider is over optical you can only feed 5.1 whereas HD you can feed 7.1 and Atmos 11.1. I can only comment on the merits of 7.1 vs 5.1 and the difference isn't huge IMO. Your friends biggest difference would come when he/she upgrades the old receiver to something more recent which would likely bring a significant step up in sound quality. This is an old argument which resurfaces every now and then and can set off pages of debate. I hope that this answer will prevent the thread from derailing.
Thanks, he doesn't have a decent sub at the moment and between the receiver and sub I advised him to upgrade the sub first as IMO it will make a much bigger impact than HD audio. 7.1 is not an option for him and they also watch a lot of dvd's.
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It's been a while, but I am struggling to recall there being many, if any, trailers on laserdisc.
I had quite a few that had the Dolby Digital Train or DTS The Digital Experience trailers. The THX Intro was also on several. The Jurassic Park DTS 5.1 CAV LD sounded fantastic.
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I had quite a few that had the Dolby Digital Train or DTS The Digital Experience trailers. The THX Intro was also on several. The Jurassic Park DTS 5.1 CAV LD sounded fantastic.
Ohhh... THOSE kinds of trailers. Gotcha. Yeah, back in that day distributors and theaters seemed to be a lot more proud of whatever sound format they were using. I still need to figure out how to put those before my Atmos MKV files
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Is it just me or did parts of San Andreas go from live action to animated?
Like the opening scene with the SUV? For such a big budget film, I thought that looked rather cheesy.
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Ohhh... THOSE kinds of trailers. Gotcha. Yeah, back in that day distributors and theaters seemed to be a lot more proud of whatever sound format they were using. I still need to figure out how to put those before my Atmos MKV files
VHS Widescreen movies from FOX have those THX demo trailers too. ...Not dts though.

And the bass was pretty good too...surrounding/enveloping us all around. ... THX

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Like the opening scene with the SUV? For such a big budget film, I thought that looked rather cheesy.
Did you see San Andreas in 3D @ your local IMAX theater? ...And was it in Dolby Atmos?

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Did you see San Andreas in 3D @ your local IMAX theater? ...And was it in Dolby Atmos?
No, I just watched it om vudu
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No, I just watched it om vudu
Ok, I see...in Canada we don't have Vudu and Hulu.

* What kind of audio codec did you get with 'San Andreas' on Vudu? ...Lossless, Lossy? ...And do you know the exact bit rate (compression)?

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Ok, I see...in Canada we don't have Vudu and Hulu.

* What kind of audio codec did you get with 'San Andreas' on Vudu? ...Lossless, Lossy? ...And do you know the exact bit rate (compression)?
Lossy, it was dolby digital plus, but as far any other info, I don't know. If San Andreas is in dolby atmos then vudu does have dolby atmos, but I don't have the equipment to know.

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Did you see San Andreas in 3D @ your local IMAX theater? ...And was it in Dolby Atmos?
Imax and Atmos don't go together.

Also has Vudu increased from the 256kbps DD+ 5.1 it was providing a few years ago?

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