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I agree with most of what you say but I thought JW was good. However, I have to admit I felt like I needed to boost the volume in order to get everything I wanted to out of it.

If we are bringing Oblivion into the discussion I assume we aren't limiting our discussion to 2015? Because if we are opening it up to "all time" great audio than Oblivion is absolutely at the top IMO and MMFR certainly is up there as well.

In fact I would argue that MMFR may be one of the most immersive tracks I've ever heard. It pulls you into the move, beats you to death and spits you out at the end feeling like you just lived two hours in that psychotic post apocalyptic world. Whats not to like?
Very well said on MMFR Hop! I couldn't agree more! FR is one of the most fun audio rides I have ever had in my HT. I can't think of another audio track that had me (and the gf) laughing out loud 20-30 minutes into the film at how insanely awesome the whole thing was! Nothing this year comes close to this one for me.
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That chart looks pitiful

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I was looking forward to watch this one. Do you have the 1st Maze Runner that you can overlay to compare? My guess is ST is not even close.
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Thanks for graphs Fat -
I watched both Maze Runner TST and Ant man last night -
nothing memorable in the audio department

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What is your system that you were watching this movie on? I disagree with everything you said. Godzilla was a very below average movie with the same few bass frequencies being replayed throughout with basically zero ULF. Just because it had more bass, doesn't mean it was more dynamic.
Pioneer SC-37/CM5's/CMC2/SB2000. I get output down to 15hz at 95db with usable a little below that.

The bass was ok. I felt it yes, but i was expecting more. Did not live up to what everyone was saying. Foot steps weren't even as good as the other 3 movies.

Disagree about Godzilla. To me the bass was well done.

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Dialog was not pristine. You could barely understand what was said half the time. I've watched movies with much better dialog intelligibility.

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Yeah, no. A poor center channel would only be valid if this happened consistently. But as i said there are movies with much better dialog. So it's the source. You want to hear a movie with pitch perfect dialog that's clear and realistic? Watch the movie Her. Shouldn't matter that it's mainly a dialog film if that's what you're thinking. There are action movies as well; Oblivion has clear dialog, Edge of Tomorrow, and plenty others i don't feel like listing.

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The bass was ok. I felt it yes, but i was expecting more. Did not live up to what everyone was saying. Foot steps weren't even as good as the other 3 movies.

Disagree about Godzilla. To me the bass was well done.

Dialog was not pristine. You could barely understand what was said half the time. I've watched movies with much better dialog intelligibility.

Yeah, no. A poor center channel would only be valid if this happened consistently. But as i said there are movies with much better dialog. So it's the source. You want to hear a movie with pitch perfect dialog that's clear and realistic? Watch the movie Her. Shouldn't matter that it's mainly a dialog film if that's what you're thinking. There are action movies as well; Oblivion has clear dialog, Edge of Tomorrow, and plenty others i don't feel like listing.
I find your experiences interesting, they seem to be in stark contrast to what everyone else has said regarding the movies you mentioned.

You're the first person I've seen that has stated that Godzilla has bass that is well done. Everyone else talks about it's clipping issues.

As far as JW goes you're the only one I seen comment on bad dialogue and I have to say my experiences were very different. I have no idea why you couldn't understand what was being said half the time. Not once did I have any trouble understanding the dialogue (let alone half the time).

Anyway…I'm not questioning your experiences, I just find them interesting.

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Pioneer SC-37/CM5's/CMC2/SB2000. I get output down to 15hz at 95db with usable a little below that.

The bass was ok. I felt it yes, but i was expecting more. Did not live up to what everyone was saying. Foot steps weren't even as good as the other 3 movies.

Disagree about Godzilla. To me the bass was well done.

Dialog was not pristine. You could barely understand what was said half the time. I've watched movies with much better dialog intelligibility.

Yeah, no. A poor center channel would only be valid if this happened consistently. But as i said there are movies with much better dialog. So it's the source. You want to hear a movie with pitch perfect dialog that's clear and realistic? Watch the movie Her. Shouldn't matter that it's mainly a dialog film if that's what you're thinking. There are action movies as well; Oblivion has clear dialog, Edge of Tomorrow, and plenty others i don't feel like listing.
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I find your experiences interesting, they seem to be in stark contrast to what everyone else has said regarding the movies you mentioned.

You're the first person I've seen that has stated that Godzilla has bass that is well done. Everyone else talks about it's clipping issues.

As far as JW goes you're the only one I seen comment on bad dialogue and I have to say my experiences were very different. I have no idea why you couldn't understand what was being said half the time. Not once did I have any trouble understanding the dialogue (let alone half the time).

Anyway…I'm not questioning your experiences, I just find them interesting.
+1 Maybe his master volume must be extremely low and or his subwoofer gain/signal levels are low. That would be my guess.

What EQ software are you using that says your sub is hitting 95dB at 15hz? Also, what master volume are those levels taken note of? Gain level? Signal level?

The reason we are disagreeing with you is because you're making a statement that is contrary to what this entire community is saying. The only logical explanation for your poor experiences is an environmental issue.

Graphs prove that Godzilla's bass has clipping issues. So for you to say it's well done, is in fact wrong and it's also been proven that. I don't mean any offense.

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A great movie that excelled in almost every aspect - easily a top 3 for me.
I even use the m83 composed soundtrack for audio demos. Awesome awesome stuff.

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i feel like most of the dinosaur steps and growls were lacking.
How is ANYONE to know what a dino growl is "Supposed" to sound like? You remember bro? That's a dang good memory! I mean, what if they never even growled and just walked around popping and clicking and whimpering? What if Hollywood is feeding us lies and propaganda about Dinos in the first place man? Golly, so many question just flooded my brain just now!
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I even use the m83 composed soundtrack for audio demos. Awesome awesome stuff.
Would this be it?
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i agree with most of what saprano said. i went into it expecting a fantastic audio experience and came away with just, meh. to me, the surrounds could have been waaaay more active, and i feel like most of the dinosaur steps and growls were lacking. it just seemed pulled back so to speak. i found the levels to be quite low as well, because i found myself turning it up several decibles from my normal viewing volume. even then it didn't seem as dynamic as i expected. on a side note, i did rent from redbox, and even though it showed master HD, could it be possible it's a different mix level-wise? there have been issues with redbox before......


as far as the movie though, it was fairly enjoyable. somewhat of a rehash of the first one and a little predictable, but the kids really enjoyed it and i didn't mind the story too much.
Hi-fi is reproducing the audio/track/media as it was originally recorded. Even with music, I'm turning up my bass levels quite a bit. That's how I prefer it.

This was their take on dinosaur steps and growls. Because it's not how you wanted it to be, doesn't mean it wasn't dynamic or pulled back. I prefer content with more bass. That's why I ran JW with a little more sub amp gain and 5dB hot. I also purchased the blu-ray.

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Yep, but you could pretty much just scoop the last track on that disc, with Susanne Sundfor and call it a day. It's the best on of the bunch. Matter of fact, itll be the first track I play when I get home and out of this darned office.
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Watched Terminator Genesis the other night. Kind of liked the movie. Actually wouldn't mind watching it again.

Thought the soundtrack was pretty good, although I'm not that picky.

Anyone know what frequency the bus flip scene was? Seemed to have a nice effect in my room, kind of like the WWZ grenade, sort of.

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Yep, but you could pretty much just scoop the last track on that disc, with Susanne Sundfor and call it a day. It's the best on of the bunch. Matter of fact, itll be the first track I play when I get home and out of this darned office.
Even though I love my CDs (non SACD), I love the AAC iTunes file a little more

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Some U571. I've never seen it. Is the bass really awesome?

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Some U571. I've never seen it. Is the bass really awesome?
Only the depth charges; the movie is so so with plastic acting. ...Personal opinion.

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Only the depth charges; the movie is so so with plastic acting. ...Personal opinion.
I can't believe I missed it. It's a 2000 film. Also no dts bomb with this one, correct?

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I can't believe I missed it. It's a 2000 film. Also no dts bomb with this one, correct?
I don't know asere; it's been a long time. Best would be to get the CD-R disc to fix that issue in your Onkyo TX-SR805 receiver.
Then you wouldn't have to worry anymore, about any BR disc you buy.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=107233

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3. If Onkyo still cannot accomodate you, ask if someone can send you a copy by mail, a member here @ AVSForum.

* It takes less than a minute to update your receiver by following a very simple routine. ...An official Onkyo (older) thread would be the best place to ask.
I used to have that CD-R myself a long time ago which I used to fix that "DTS Bomb" issue, but I have no clue where it is, or if I still even have it.

'U-571' is a 4.5 stars rating @ Databass. On Blu-ray it has a DTS-HD MA 5.1 soundtrack. And I bet that today you can get it for about five bucks.
Today is Black Friday, so maybe only two bucks.

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I don't know asere; it's been a long time. Best would be to get the CD-R disc to fix that issue in your Onkyo TX-SR805 receiver.
Then you wouldn't have to worry anymore, about any BR disc you buy.

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* It takes less than a minute to update your receiver by following a very simple routine. ...An official Onkyo (older) thread would be the best place to ask.
I used to have that CD-R myself a long time ago which I used to fix that "DTS Bomb" issue, but I have no clue where it is, or if I still even have it.

'U-571' is a 4.5 stars rating @ Databass. On Blu-ray it has a DTS-HD MA 5.1 soundtrack. And I bet that today you can get it for about five bucks.
Today is Black Friday, so maybe only two bucks.
Thanks. Yes I bought it today for 3.96 black Friday.

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How was the LFE in Divergent? It's on sale for $6

Also, Pixels is on sale for $13

Lots of nice Blu-Ray deals here:http://www.blu-ray.com/deals/?sortby...ategory=bluray

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I find your experiences interesting, they seem to be in stark contrast to what everyone else has said regarding the movies you mentioned.

You're the first person I've seen that has stated that Godzilla has bass that is well done. Everyone else talks about it's clipping issues.
Didn't notice any clipping issues. The bass to me was full and detailed. I especially liked the beginning when that, whatever it's called, is coming out the shell. The pulsating sounds sounded strong, separated and not one note to me.

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As far as JW goes you're the only one I seen comment on bad dialogue and I have to say my experiences were very different. I have no idea why you couldn't understand what was being said half the time. Not once did I have any trouble understanding the dialogue (let alone half the time).

Anyway…I'm not questioning your experiences, I just find them interesting.
A few times it was just muffled. It's not the best of recorded dialog. I'll have to watch it again and see if this experience is repeated. All my settings are correct.

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+1 Maybe his master volume must be extremely low and or his subwoofer gain/signal levels are low. That would be my guess.

What EQ software are you using that says your sub is hitting 95dB at 15hz? Also, what master volume are those levels taken note of? Gain level? Signal level?

The reason we are disagreeing with you is because you're making a statement that is contrary to what this entire community is saying. The only logical explanation for your poor experiences is an environmental issue.

Graphs prove that Godzilla's bass has clipping issues. So for you to say it's well done, is in fact wrong and it's also been proven that. I don't mean any offense.
Actually i'm not using any measurement software. I'm using an SPL meter at the LP. I get output down to 15hz then it drops off from there.

Movies like Elysium have most of its content below 20hz and i found that to be more impactful the JW.

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Ok so with the dept attack scene with U571 what are you supposed to hear/feel? I had my master volume at -20 with my Kreisel 12012 and I've heard better. I didn't hear a thing or feel a thing from my sub. It was just a loud scene.

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Hey Fatshaft, if possible a comparison of MI:rogue nation vs Ghost protocol and JP 3 vs JW.
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Receiver TX SR805, SVS Prime towers and center with surrounds. And KK sub as I mentioned.

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How is ANYONE to know what a dino growl is "Supposed" to sound like? You remember bro? That's a dang good memory! I mean, what if they never even growled and just walked around popping and clicking and whimpering? What if Hollywood is feeding us lies and propaganda about Dinos in the first place man? Golly, so many question just flooded my brain just now!
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Hi-fi is reproducing the audio/track/media as it was originally recorded. Even with music, I'm turning up my bass levels quite a bit. That's how I prefer it.

This was their take on dinosaur steps and growls. Because it's not how you wanted it to be, doesn't mean it wasn't dynamic or pulled back. I prefer content with more bass. That's why I ran JW with a little more sub amp gain and 5dB hot. I also purchased the blu-ray.
I'm having a little trouble wrapping my mind around this statement. With all this being said, why do we have this thread in the first place if we just accept that was what their "take" was? Every comment in this thread deals with the levels and extension and whether it matched what was on-screen or not. And by your statement that means nobody should take exception to the Hobbit movies because that was their take on a good movie soundtrack. simply put, i expected more from the soundtrack, especially since we have been pretty spoiled this year with some powerful tracks. and when you consider the fact that the movie deals with giant beasts romping around, then i guess most would expect a harder hitting track than what this has. many have made the same assessment about it. and i have no issue with running the subs hot considering i run my 8db hot to begin with. apples to apples, JW didn't compete with some of the other movies that dropped this year.
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