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post #211 of 22132 Old 06-14-2011, 09:50 AM
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That's all the reason you need, Wolf.

Indeed, great LFE can makeup for a lot of weaknesses in any movie, can't it.
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Hey, I wasted a dime on that POS Scott Pilgrim. Terrible flick, no LFE worth turning the system on for.

But, the good news,,, the drought is OVER!

Battle For L.A.

FIVE STARS


Here are some scenes... no spoilers. Get this BR and STRAP IN:

0:22

0:55

1:02

1:30

1:40

1:43

1:46

1:47


I loved the movie, story, special FX and sound. Plenty more Low End where the above came from.

Enjoy,

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Hey, I wasted a dime on that POS Scott Pilgrim. Terrible flick, no LFE worth turning the system on for.

Whaaaaaaaaaat?!?!?!!!

It has nothing below 15hz, but above, i thought it was pretty good. It really helps that my couch has a great resonance in the 17-22hz region....liked the music, too...bass battle was good fun, with the vegan police breaking up the party....

Will check out battle la this weekend. Good to hear you thought it was a decent movie.....On top of the LFE....

I need to be able to reproduce below 17hz, apparently....

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Thanks for that Bossobass just got through watching it myself and agree with you 100%! First rate audio and video presentation glad I went out and bought it. This DVD will be the hot topic from here out for bass for a long time.
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I watched Battle: LA this evening and loved the soundtrack, which had terrific LFE. The movie itself was pretty silly but nevertheless very exciting and well acted.
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Whaaaaaaaaaat?!?!?!!!

Yeah... I thought Scott Pilgrim was pretty decent for bass. Maybe not 5 stars but still pretty solid. Maybe it just wasn't the movie for Bosso. It's kind of a movie for people of my generation. For others... it may look pretty stupid.

Nice set of graphs on Battle:LA, Bosso. Thanks! Btw, when you post, they are straight digital or are they mic'd from your LP? I ordered my copy on Amazon so it should be here either tomorrow or maybe Thursday. Was expecting it here today but... I guess not. Looks like there is plenty of fodder for my LLT's.

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You can tell when bosso mics his graphs as they generally have 60hz noise in them =]

Ugh, Battle LA sucked as a movie, but I guess I'll have to watch it again in my theater.
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Yes you will. May the bass gods have mercy on those ears in that theatre....

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You can tell when bosso mics his graphs as they generally have 60hz noise in them =]

Ugh, Battle LA sucked as a movie, but I guess I'll have to watch it again in my theater.

Actually, the opposite. The 60 Hz noise appears in the direct feed graphs. No 60 Hz noise in the mic'd graphs.

The above were mic'd. Far less hassle to just set up the mic and watch the movie. Not perfectly accurate, but pretty darned close. I wish more people would post comparos of digital feed vs mic'd. It would give a lot of insight into who liked what soundtrack and why.

Having played SPATW followed immediately by BFLA with same calibration and MVL, I can say that there was no contest. Not just overall levels and peaks, but the composition of the LFE is what makes BFLA stand out as a 5 star LFE track.

Of course, as always, just my opinion.

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Actually, the opposite. The 60 Hz noise appears in the direct feed graphs. No 60 Hz noise in the mic'd graphs.

The above were mic'd. Far less hassle to just set up the mic and watch the movie. Not perfectly accurate, but pretty darned close. I wish more people would post comparos of digital feed vs mic'd. It would give a lot of insight into who liked what soundtrack and why.

Having played SPATW followed immediately by BFLA with same calibration and MVL, I can say that there was no contest. Not just overall levels and peaks, but the composition of the LFE is what makes BFLA stand out as a 5 star LFE track.

Of course, as always, just my opinion.

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Woops, got em confused, sorry.

I could post mic'd vs feed, but you wouldn't see much difference
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Woops, got em confused, sorry.

I could post mic'd vs feed, but you wouldn't see much difference

Yeah, you're perfectly content leaving my butt hanging out there alone to take all the heat from nay sayers.

Just a point of possible interest; check out the attic fan drone in the last graph with fundamental at 18.4 Hz and resonant harmonic at 55.2 Hz.

Shut off the fan, streaks disappear. Like I've said, SpecLab shows everything and can help with noise floor, rattle and buzz problems as well.

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Hah, I was wondering what that was. Fortunately I don't have many of these issues. The only annoying thing is that the driver all the way on the other side of the house resonates at some frequencies. Fortunately, you can't hear it in the theater seats. Unfortunately, I have enough powers to make the walls make noise at some levels #firstworldproblems.

As for naysayers, their loss lots of sealed displacement and lots of power is win. Anything else is a compromise.
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bossobass: Thank you for your effort. Graphs looks pretty much as expected. What the graphs doesnt tell you on the other hand is that the bass also sounds excellent. It has a very sweet "texture". Very much unlike Inception and others...
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Bosso,

I'll put together some peak v average graphs and post them for spatw and others this wknd. This seems like a good thread to put them up in.....may have to ask netflix to send me tron legacy again....

As for mic'ed vs digital feed, i know i get nothing (or at least 10db below) below 16 hz, by design. I am in the bang for buck club, with a measly 300w feeding two thts.....and i listen at 10db below reference when it is 'turned up'.......

I'll get the graphs up this wknd....

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New bass movie of week/month is Battle: Los Angeles

...and thanks bosso.
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New bass movie of week/month is Battle: Los Angeles

Indeed, I posted in the Battle: LA thread that after the movie was over I realized that I had received a back and fanny massage. The film has its weaknesses, God knows, but LFE is not one of them.
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Great to hear about Battle LA! Cant wait to check it out.

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Hey, I wasted a dime on that POS Scott Pilgrim. Terrible flick, no LFE worth turning the system on for.

Bosso

Scott Pilgrim was incredible in the LFE department for me..........easy 4.5 stars. I watched Air Bender right before it which was a 5 IMO and Pilgrim still impressed the hell out of me for LFE! As a matter of fact, I liked Pilgrim so much as far as sound/LFE that I ended up doing a trade so I could own a copy of it. Your comment surprises me!

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Can't wait to check it out on the weekend.
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Re-evaluated Unstoppable this evening. I'm this close to changing my mind to five star on it. Bumping up the LFE just a bit really woke this one up for me. 118dB sustained at listening position... the two tapped horns had my hair moving a couple times. A couple more times, and I'd say five star for sure.

The LFE in it is still not all that deep, but there's certainly a lot of it. I'm still going to say 4.5 stars.
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How hot do you guys set your subs?
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I'll run anywhere from +10 to +15 over reference depending on the movie. Don't try this at home
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I'll run anywhere from +10 to +15 over reference depending on the movie. Don't try this at home

DAMN......seriously, wear some etymotics if you will 'listen' and/or feel a movie next time......they preserve the freq response and only decrease dBs.....

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DAMN......seriously, wear some etymotics if you will 'listen' and/or feel a movie next time......they preserve the freq response and only decrease dBs.....

JSS

Surely that's a number representing how hot the bottom end is,...right? +15db over reference through the critical mid-band and HF would certainly be,.. well,..ummm exhilarating

Sustained, uber high levels are not a thing that is foreign to me, and I'm good out to 15khz, and 17.4khz at a lower level. I'm very much aversive to frequency dependent overload, and harshness in a live sound environment, and perhaps that's served me well.

Yes, high SPL's are not good for you in sustained doses,...but when done right, they elicit a feeling I can get nowhere else.


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Yes, that's just the bottom end. Someone asked how hot the subs were run. As for the rest of it, depends on the movie.. anywhere from -15 to 0.
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How hot do you guys set your subs?

Depends on how bad the movie is. If it's a good movie I usually want well balanced sound, so the LFE is usually at -15 to -10 where I usually listen. If it's a terrible movie with 5 star LFE, I'll often run it above reference, keeping the rest of the system below -10.

My mains can't handle much more than that... the subs are way ahead of them in headroom. Looking to remedy that before too long.
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Battle Los Angeles not a bad movie over all but I would not rate the LFE over 3.5 - 4 at the most but then again I mark hard.
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Battle Los Angeles is a 5 star for sure. Had a few of the guys over to watch it tonight and we had a good time. Ya the story is nothing new and about what I expected, but the constant gun fights and those deep digging alien weapons more than made up for it.
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Watched Scott Pilgram last night... Ugh.

$15 and I'll ship you the blu ray!
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True Grit has a half dozen or so good gunshots and that is it. The movie was not as good as I thought it would be either.
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