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No it's the -10 of either the peak or avg whichever is lower.
So I read it as a 13hz movie
It looks like the first time it is -10 from the peak on the avg graph is 17/18hz, but either way it is obvious this is a full bandwidth movie, just never liked the way they calculated the extension where one big spike could skew the rating.
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It looks like the first time it is -10 from the peak on the avg graph is 17/18hz, but either way it is obvious this is a full bandwidth movie, just never liked the way they calculated the extension where one big spike could skew the rating.
Yeah a lot of movies have nothing below 20 except a random spike at 1hz and they'll call it 1hz
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Just finished watching. Awesome movie. With perfect amount of bass. Wouldn't call it a bass fest but wasn't a dud either. The action scenes are PACKED with bass but the whole
Movie isn't all action.

One of the (if not the best) atmos tracks out too
+1 Brian Fineberg,
Great assessment of the movie. Great movie right to the end, with bass right where it needs to be!
I am glad I did not watch it with my 14 and 12 yr old daughters though. Will have to watch it again when they are out this weekend.
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HDR and UHD means almost nothing to most of us with 1080p Projectors,

Upgrading to a true 4K projector (starting at $10k) is not an option for many of us

who are playing the waiting game to upgrade to a 4K display.



...and No, I don't consider watching a 4K movie on a 55" TV an upgrade

For many of us with Real Home Theaters, a true home cinema movie experience

Starts at around 120" ...the size of FOUR 60" flat panels stacked together.


What an elitist view of things. Real home theater? Give me a friggen break.

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I think we kinda have to take what they(studios) give as far as physical media. I don't like everything they are selling but the alternative will be 100% digital. That is the end game of what studios want ultimately.


Digits will have lossy audio too which is no good. Even the Atmos on Vudu is in a DD+ container to save bandwidth.

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Just finished watching. Awesome movie. With perfect amount of bass. Wouldn't call it a bass fest but wasn't a dud either. The action scenes are PACKED with bass but the whole

Movie isn't all action.



One of the (if not the best) atmos tracks out too


I didn't notice very much activity in the Atmos speakers particularly. I did think the bed later was done very well though.

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I didn't notice very much activity in the Atmos speakers particularly. I did think the bed later was done very well though.
interesteing...I noticed a ton of ceiling activity..but i have been fooled before

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Digits will have lossy audio too which is no good. Even the Atmos on Vudu is in a DD+ container to save bandwidth.

Yep and I always wonder how barebones these films would be.
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interesteing...I noticed a ton of ceiling activity..but i have been fooled before


I wasn't looking for it though. Maybe it was there but more subtitle on my setup. They did a good job none the less.

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Captain American is the only marvel movie i can watch and take seriously, its just one of the best. the others are barely bearable and they don't take anything seriously, even the world coming to and end and people dying is a comedy fest with cringe worthy jokes that ruins taking this scene seriously for 2 hours straight killing any emotional attachment to anything going within that two hours. Civil war, the end of the first scene was deeply emotional for me when innocent people were killed by accident when that guy tried to blow up himself up with captain America, it was done so well. ps that young Stark scene creeped me out, he looked so weird lol.

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You mean my Sony 27" console and Bose Acoustimass cube speakers aren't real home theater? Time to sob.
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You mean my Sony 27" console and Bose Acoustimass cube speakers aren't real home theater? Time to sob.
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You mean the Sony 27" XBR(xtra bucks required) console.
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Haha no not too often. I'm starting to venture out though. I usually lurk around the PSA sub thread, but I don't post often.

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Do you a way to map the frequency of each channel (speaker)

All speakers using DSP mode of just the DTS Master HD 7.1

Vs

All speakers using the Dolby surround up mixer (Dolby Surround mode) using the DTS Master HD 7.1 audio mix


Thank you, if your willing to play along or not.
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It looks like the first time it is -10 from the peak on the avg graph is 17/18hz, but either way it is obvious this is a full bandwidth movie, just never liked the way they calculated the extension where one big spike could skew the rating.
look again...the peak of avg is at 38Hz @ -40.0 so the -50.0 is at 13Hz

hence it extends to 13Hz

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Have you tried the MBM with any "bass" movies?? I don't remember TBS having anything out of the ordinary, but it's been awhile. If you could give me a timestamp I would be willing to check it out.
Cool, that would be great if you could.

One example is during the first part of the movie when Christian Bale is negotiating with the banks to setup credit swap on mortgages. They cut in and out of a Ludicrous song.

It was way tactile with the mbm...to much for the screen action, imo. But if you turned off the image and just listened to the song, the tactile response would have been perfect. With the screen action, it just seemed out if place.

I listened without the mbm, and it was less tactile, and seemed to blend better with what was going on. Still on the hot side though I think.
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^^^

I'll try to check it out tonight and let you know.
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look again...the peak of avg is at 38Hz @ -40.0 so the -50.0 is at 13Hz

hence it extends to 13Hz
I see the average drops -10 for the first time from the peak at 17/18, it does come back up again a bit lower and then drops again at 13hz
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I see the average drops -10 for the first time from the peak at 17/18, it does come back up again a bit lower and then drops again at 13hz
Red line, not green line bro!
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I see the average drops -10 for the first time from the peak at 17/18, it does come back up again a bit lower and then drops again at 13hz
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Red line, not green line bro!
It's deceiving because it's actually a dip, but the first time the red line hits -50dB at a lower frequency than when it was at -40dB is around 17Hz.

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It's deceiving because it's actually a dip, but the first time the red line hits -50dB at a lower frequency than when it was at -40dB is around 17Hz.
it doesnt matter the first time it dips...its the highest frequency it hits -50

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it doesnt matter the first time it dips...its the highest frequency it hits -50
I was just saying that since it's a dip, it looks deceiving. I thought it was -10dB coming from the peak frequency; so wherever it peaked, you go to the left from there to get the first time it hits 10dB lower, which would be around the dip at 17Hz. Of course, it could be like you're saying (the lowest frequency that is first hit at 10dB lower than the peak frequency).

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2. Extension - The same bass-managed digital signal above is analyzed with Spectrum Lab, with Nuttall windowing, and either a 1 second or 2 second integration time (the longer the integration time, the higher the resolution, at the cost of dynamic peaks, but for the extension category, it is a moot point). Extension is determined as the -10dB point from the overall peak of EITHER the Peak (green) or Average (red) trace, whichever is higher. The ratings are as follows:

5 Stars - <10Hz extension
4 Stars - <15Hz extension
3 Stars - <20Hz extension
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2. Extension - The same bass-managed digital signal above is analyzed with Spectrum Lab, with Nuttall windowing, and either a 1 second or 2 second integration time (the longer the integration time, the higher the resolution, at the cost of dynamic peaks, but for the extension category, it is a moot point). Extension is determined as the -10dB point from the overall peak of EITHER the Peak (green) or Average (red) trace, whichever is higher. The ratings are as follows:

5 Stars - <10Hz extension
4 Stars - <15Hz extension
3 Stars - <20Hz extension
2 Stars - <25Hz extension
1 Star - >25Hz extension
so it does say "from the overall peak", which implies you go from the peak, down (to the left).

edit: You're right @Brian Fineberg , here it is:
Spoiler!

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look again...the peak of avg is at 38Hz @ -40.0 so the -50.0 is at 13Hz

hence it extends to 13Hz
are you not reading what I wrote? im not sure i can explain it any better

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so it does say "from the overall peak", which implies you go from the peak, down (to the left).

edit: You're right @Brian Fineberg , here it is:
Spoiler!
lol. I know I was right...i wasn't guessing..i was trying to educate
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lol. I know I was right...i wasn't guessing..i was trying to educate
I only read it once when it was first published, and it sounded like you go to the next closest "peak" @-10dB when they say "from the overall peak". At any rate, it is from whichever is higher, which you said you thought it was from whichever is lower; in this case it appears they're both at 38Hz anyway.

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I only read it once when it was first published, and it sounded like you go to the next closest "peak" @-10dB when they say "from the overall peak". At any rate, it is from whichever is higher, which you said you thought it was from whichever is lower; in this case it appears they're both at 38Hz anyway.
I always had problems with that going from the overall peak. You could have a huge peak at 45 hz that would then show the movie as a 22hz movie. Where another movie has 15hz extension that is just as loud as the movie with 22hz extension but it doesn't have that huge peak so gets a better rating.

could it be done by picking a -db point for all movies, say the -50 point and anything below that is considered not audible and thus have a more concrete way of judging the extension.
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I only read it once when it was first published, and it sounded like you go to the next closest "peak" @-10dB when they say "from the overall peak". At any rate, it is from whichever is higher, which you said you thought it was from whichever is lower; in this case it appears they're both at 38Hz anyway.
yes...but the avg has a Lower Hz -10db ...this is getting tedious..


when I said lower i wasnt referring to Db i was referring to Hz...I think you arent grasping what the x and y axis represent on the graphs

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I always had problems with that going from the overall peak. You could have a huge peak at 45 hz that would then show the movie as a 22hz movie. Where another movie has 15hz extension that is just as loud as the movie with 22hz extension but it doesn't have that huge peak so gets a better rating.

could it be done by picking a -db point for all movies, say the -50 point and anything below that is considered not audible and thus have a more concrete way of judging the extension.
same thing with the dynamics rating...TIH gets punished in this category cause it has too much bass??

they admit the system has flaws...buts its head and shoulder above here where its..."that movie had the baddest craziest bass evaaa!!" and getting a 5 star rating

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