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post #25681 of 25701 Old 08-25-2016, 07:00 PM
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...[AoF] is now probably considered one of the top 5 demonstration discs out there....

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It was just one example. In the movie exhibition industry it's just a given dude. You are giving the general public way too much credit for having tech knowledge or even a general understanding of what makes the magic happen. I'm on AVS everyday too and have many threads I follow. I really enjoy this thread and all who's on it. Bass on!
I can only conclude you must not have read what I wrote. I made no reference to "tech knowledge" -- in fact, I specifically outlined that, generally speaking, I think humans do not well understand how their perceptual apparatus exerts an effect upon them -- they have no terms, no facility to get at this most personal experiencing of the world. This includes myself, and would be roughly analogous to your notions on most moviegoers failing to appreciate "makes the magic happen."

My point was and is simple: people who attend the cinema (with the interest being seeing the movie), do so because it is a sight and sound experience. I'm not sure what the "proof" of such an assertion would be (just seems self-evident to me), as it is virtually impossible to propose the circumvention of the senses to implant pure "story" in ones head, but just imagine if you will, that the offering at your cinema features a story, played out on a blackened screen with no sound. All the action and development in this story is conveyed by text on the screen, similar to detailed explanations of on-screen action for the deaf, but no accompanying pictures or sound.

Is this something the public would attend? -- or have any interest in? How about mass readership of movie reviews? Now there some of the story is explained, but if that is where the big draw and money is, reviewers would be paid the multi-millions with very little traffic in the movie so reviewed -- but that of course is not the case, even absurd to think. People want to see the sights, hear the sounds, the closer to replicating their senses, to experience something as they might closer to real-life.

Of course the draw of story is strong -- the context of images, their "meaning" to us is so powerful that even lacking a story, people will make one up -- like attaching a message or narrative context to the sequencing of images in films which are more purely sight and sound, less "story" -- films such as BARAKA, and the like, but "story" is not why people are in the cinema specifically -- they are there for the sight and sound, the story shuffles in a distant distant secondary consideration....
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Only movie I can think of is Art of Flight which is a fantastic film IMO, is bass loaded ( killer audio in general) and even has reference PQ (JVC used this bluray at Cedia the year it hit to show off their new projector line which is a very nice testament to the PQ). If you happen to be a boarder or skier, its even better, but that's certainly not a requirement since the heart of the film is really about passion for doing something you love which can be applied to whatever that happens to be for the individual.

Sorry to ramble, but I absolutely love AoF which has zero violence and its a killer HT ride!
Meant to congratulate you on your cite of this film -- I myself was stumped on any movie without violence -- someone proposed PEE WEE'S BIG ADVENTURE, and though my recollect of this older film is quite sketchy, I do seem to recall a row of motorcycles being knocked over, which of course is a violent action which then threatened bodily violence. Any Disney film I can think of traffics in violence as a major theme. "9" (someone mentioned) was certainly quite violent.

AoF even had some violence of the rather benign sort -- I think they destroyed a ramp or two going over them, and took some violent tumbles in the process, but when I saw your mention, I was struck with "Toe has got it! -- that's a pretty good answer." I have yet to get the blu -- and I'm thinking after this long a time, the price is never going to drop -- then again, I suppose the instant I commit to it, that will be the day it gets slashed by half.....
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Meant to congratulate you on your cite of this film -- I myself was stumped on any movie without violence -- someone proposed PEE WEE'S BIG ADVENTURE, and though my recollect of this older film is quite sketchy, I do seem to recall a row of motorcycles being knocked over, which of course is a violent action which then threatened bodily violence. Any Disney film I can think of traffics in violence as a major theme. "9" (someone mentioned) was certainly quite violent.

AoF even had some violence of the rather benign sort -- I think they destroyed a ramp or two going over them, and took some violent tumbles in the process, but when I saw your mention, I was struck with "Toe has got it! -- that's a pretty good answer." I have yet to get the blu -- and I'm thinking after this long a time, the price is never going to drop -- then again, I suppose the instant I commit to it, that will be the day it gets slashed by half.....


I got one for $10 shipped on eBay last night here's another if you don't care about the case. https://www.ebay.com/itm/152209158574

I mentioned pee wee. I think it's about as low violence as you can get in a non animated story based movie haha.

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What would happen if we muted the music, booms/crashes, other sound effects, and bass; and leave simple dialogue, I guarantee people will take notice VERY quickly. But, its one of those "you don't miss it until it's not there" concepts. The folks in this thread are likely in the vast minority of people who walk out of a movie and even bring up the bass/sound quality as part of the post-movie conversation. I know every time I see a movie, I am constantly judging the bass and overall soundtrack as I watch, I can't help it at this point.
Yes, exactly. What you propose is very similar to my speculations, however if you want to get to "story," as a stand-alone, you really have to thwart or eradicate all other considerations, including any trace of sight and sound. Virtually impossible to do, since even when we read, we are using our senses. Actors speaking dialog foils the whole proposition, but yes, not only would people notice, word would get around, and I would suggest that here is a film not destined to do much business.

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As far as visual goes, there are many more people who do notice and applaud or snicker at the use of and quality of things like special effects. I think this, along with story and plot are likely the most talked about and largest reasons people enjoy movies at the theater.
Well most "talked about" does not equal "largest reason" (people enjoy movies). Again, they talk about story because that is easy to reach, easy to understand, it relates one's human experience to another's, whereas trying to get at how the pairing of a specific image with a certain sound triggered an emotional response -- we generally have no terms for that, and what happens in our brains is a much more intensely unique and personal observation than being able to identify and recite narrative properties

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That brings us to dialogue. Similar to audio, I believe dialogue plays a foundation role in movies. Bad dialogue gets noticed quickly in the same way the sound effects/music would if it were missing. Very good dialogue also gets noticed, (see: all Quentin Tarantino movies). Middle of the road dialogue, as long as it's not hurting the storyline or drawing attention to itself in a negative way, just kind of moves the story forward. A movie with a great soundtrack and a great set of dialogue is my favorite type. Movies like Django for example.
Do not misunderstand my point -- I like smart, interesting dialog, and am even hyper-critical of poor conceptualization -- even just the relatively minor aspect of using certain expressions which do not match the scenario presented. I went into a mini-rant recently on AVS over the expression "most assumed she had skipped town" in the movie 10 CLOVERFIELD LANE, because it was so totally out-of-place and miscalculated -- did not belong in that character's mouth. But being able to detect and dissect plot or dialog does not get at why we are there in the seats -- we are there to experience another world with our full perceptual panoply -- sight and sound in a darkened theater -- to get lost in another realm for those few hours....

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I got one for $10 shipped on eBay last night here's another if you don't care about the case. https://www.ebay.com/itm/152209158574

I mentioned pee wee. I think it's about as low violence as you can get in a non animated story based movie haha.
SWEEET! -- thanks for that -- I never consider eBay, but think I'll go for that!
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Travis Rice up there reminded me I need to go in search of a snowboard (someone stole mine). I came across someone unknowingly selling a super rare Never Summer board still in the plastic for dirt cheap.
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Meant to congratulate you on your cite of this film -- I myself was stumped on any movie without violence -- someone proposed PEE WEE'S BIG ADVENTURE, and though my recollect of this older film is quite sketchy, I do seem to recall a row of motorcycles being knocked over, which of course is a violent action which then threatened bodily violence. Any Disney film I can think of traffics in violence as a major theme. "9" (someone mentioned) was certainly quite violent.

AoF even had some violence of the rather benign sort -- I think they destroyed a ramp or two going over them, and took some violent tumbles in the process, but when I saw your mention, I was struck with "Toe has got it! -- that's a pretty good answer." I have yet to get the blu -- and I'm thinking after this long a time, the price is never going to drop -- then again, I suppose the instant I commit to it, that will be the day it gets slashed by half.....
Even AoF isn't devoid of violence. I figure anything with shooting guns and blowing up full propane tanks would be considered a no-go, but it's easy to just FF through that one little section and then you are in good shape.
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Travis Rice up there reminded me I need to go in search of a snowboard (someone stole mine). I came across someone unknowingly selling a super rare Never Summer board still in the plastic for dirt cheap.
Great boards for sure! The Never Summer factory is only about 10 min from my house.
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Great boards for sure! The Never Summer factory is only about 10 min from my house.
Get out! I'm at hwy 36 and 92nd in Westminster. What part of town are you in?
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I can only conclude you must not have read what I wrote. I made no reference to "tech knowledge" -- in fact, I specifically outlined that, generally speaking, I think humans do not well understand how their perceptual apparatus exerts an effect upon them -- they have no terms, no facility to get at this most personal experiencing of the world. This includes myself, and would be roughly analogous to your notions on most moviegoers failing to appreciate "makes the magic happen."

My point was and is simple: people who attend the cinema (with the interest being seeing the movie), do so because it is a sight and sound experience. I'm not sure what the "proof" of such an assertion would be (just seems self-evident to me), as it is virtually impossible to propose the circumvention of the senses to implant pure "story" in ones head, but just imagine if you will, that the offering at your cinema features a story, played out on a blackened screen with no sound. All the action and development in this story is conveyed by text on the screen, similar to detailed explanations of on-screen action for the deaf, but no accompanying pictures or sound.

Is this something the public would attend? -- or have any interest in? How about mass readership of movie reviews? Now there some of the story is explained, but if that is where the big draw and money is, reviewers would be paid the multi-millions with very little traffic in the movie so reviewed -- but that of course is not the case, even absurd to think. People want to see the sights, hear the sounds, the closer to replicating their senses, to experience something as they might closer to real-life.

Of course the draw of story is strong -- the context of images, their "meaning" to us is so powerful that even lacking a story, people will make one up -- like attaching a message or narrative context to the sequencing of images in films which are more purely sight and sound, less "story" -- films such as BARAKA, and the like, but "story" is not why people are in the cinema specifically -- they are there for the sight and sound, the story shuffles in a distant distant secondary consideration....
I'm moving on from this and yes I see your points. I've said mine, you've said yours. I'm respectfully moving on.

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Get out! I'm at hwy 36 and 92nd in Westminster. What part of town are you in?
No way! Nice!! I live right off Quebec and Evans down in Denver.
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^^^I finished Stranger Things last night and from when watching the first episode while having diner in the kitchen using my old computer setup (sub is in a cabinet below the PC and acts as band pass box and adds some serious re-enforcement) I knew i had to fire it up on the big rig!

No one believed me when I said Netflix streaming used no filter's of the LFE! It's a great way to sometimes watch or demo some great bass movies mentioned here. Halo 4 , Alien Abduction and Ragnarok are just a few I've watched over the years when they were noted for their LFE prowess
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Divergent series " Allegiant"

I've watched all three now and this one delivers and awesome sound design and bass experience as the rest. I swore off bass sweeps in 2015 but this baby has one with some good variation (time stamp not included) and I was like "ok maybe just one" All three can be noted as reference bass tracks and will energize the room and take the sub or subs through its or their paces.

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Awesome - I've been very impressed with the sound production of this show, and the show itself for that matter!
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Did a re-spin of the Matrix Trilogy. Haven't seen that in awhile. Last time I watched it was before any upgrades..lol. And to my surprise this time around was way more enjoyable to watch again. I like Revolution the most. When the APU's constantly letting off countless rounds. Those shots is surely felt. Oh, I also like when the DEUS EX MACHINA speaks. Literally pressurized and shake the whole room.
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Now You See Me 2 got pretty intense during the rain scene in the final act, unfortunately, you'll have to sit through the movie to experience it, unless you skip straight to the end.
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That's good news bh.. Can't wait to come out on disk. I really liked the first one in terms of bass and story..
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