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Has Independence Day resurgence been graphed yet?
Yeah, a few pages back. You can use the search funtion for this forum and find it allot faster though.

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Independence Day: Resurgence |2016| Graph

BD - DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1
4K UHD BD - Dolby Atmos






https://youtu.be/LbduDRH2m2M

Found it! Not too bad. No ULF stuff though.
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Sausage Party |2016| Graph

watch the trailer below and you will see how crazy this film is






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from the 4k UHS recview at whysoblu.com:

for STB:

Low Frequency Extension: The LFE channel is in absolute beast mode here. It rumbles with aggression and the weight of the huge onscreen ships can definitely be felt by the girth and growl the sub woofer channel puts out. Other moments include fight scenes, the USS Enterprise flying through warp speed in a big sonic boom kind of fashion, clamps letting go of the vessel in Yorktown, phasers, blasts, explosions, crashing through the nebula and so much more.

could your graph be wrong? could the ATMOS track be better?
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from the 4k UHS recview at whysoblu.com:

for STB:

Low Frequency Extension: The LFE channel is in absolute beast mode here. It rumbles with aggression and the weight of the huge onscreen ships can definitely be felt by the girth and growl the sub woofer channel puts out. Other moments include fight scenes, the USS Enterprise flying through warp speed in a big sonic boom kind of fashion, clamps letting go of the vessel in Yorktown, phasers, blasts, explosions, crashing through the nebula and so much more.

could your graph be wrong? could the ATMOS track be better?
The graph is right for sure I've graphed it twice. Also it sounds like sh*t so that confirmed it. maybe the ATMOS is different but who knows. I can't wait to hear someone who knows bass and have a capable system responce to that ATMOS track. The blu ray sounds freaking hollow, no bass what's so ever and I'll get a good laugh when people that purchase it freak out 😂 and a bigger laugh when people give it incredible reviews for sub bass that shakes the earth HA.

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The graph is right for sure I've graphed it twice. Also it sounds like sh*t so that confirmed it. maybe the ATMOS is different but who knows. I can't wait to hear someone who knows bass and have a capable system responce to that ATMOS track.

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well I think I qualify Ill let you know as soon as I screen it
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well I think I qualify Ill let you know as soon as I screen it
Ok cool. I'm sorry if it sucks in ATMOS also.

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Ok cool. I'm sorry if it sucks in ATMOS also.

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dont be sorry!

just confused by how any reviewer could state its great LFE by the way it graphed..there is NO weight to it whatsoever
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dont be sorry!

just confused by how any reviewer could state its great LFE by the way it graphed..there is NO weight to it whatsoever
That's why I'm grateful for the guys that made it possible for us to graph, so we can know when a reviews is full of bs or just isn't very knowledgeable of bass frequencies.

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....The blu ray sounds freaking hollow, no bass what's so ever and I'll get a good laugh when people that purchase it freak out and a bigger laugh when people give it incredible reviews for sub bass that shakes the earth HA.



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well I think I qualify Ill let you know as soon as I screen it


I cancelled my pre-order for the blu-ray. @Brian Fineberg - are you going to be screening the ATMOS version on an Atmos capable system? I have a 7.1 system that is not ATMOS enabled, and I'm wondering if I were to purchase the ATMOS version (should it turn out to have proper LFE and bass), if I would still get the bass benefit from that track. I believe the answer is yes.



I listened to an episode (318) of the Home Theater Geeks podcast where @Scott Wilkinson interviewed and chatted with Tim Hoogenakker, a recording mixer, specifically about mixing ATMOS. This topic came up about 47 minutes into the Podcast where Tim mentioned that ATMOS tracks are down-mixed to 7.1/5.1/2.1 and Dolby is very careful that the sound mix flows downstream properly.



Again, this all depends on whether or not the ATMOS track has an bass mix better than the standard blueray. If it does, I'll be buying the ATMOS track for sure because I really did love the movie in theater, and I remember leaving the theater thinking the bass was good. Others didn't agree with me, however.

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yes...I have 7.4.4 atmos in my HT...also 4-18's in a sealed 1300cu' room...I am ref capable to ~5hz
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yes...I have 7.4.4 atmos in my HT...also 4-18's in a sealed 1300cu' room...I am ref capable to ~5hz
Well then, I more than look forward to your review.
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yes...I have 7.4.4 atmos in my HT...also 4-18's in a sealed 1300cu' room...I am ref capable to ~5hz
Just looked at your theater build link, BTW - awesome! I have a similar, albiet smaller, unfinished space in my basement set aside to build my theater in. My father-in-law is also a handyman/electrician so he said he can help me finish it ourselves. The entire front would need to be an AT screen. Looking forward to when I can finally take on that project. Probably a few years off at this point.
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Just looked at your theater build link, BTW - awesome! I have a similar, albiet smaller, unfinished space in my basement set aside to build my theater in. My father-in-law is also a handyman/electrician so he said he can help me finish it ourselves. The entire front would need to be an AT screen. Looking forward to when I can finally take on that project. Probably a few years off at this point.
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Watched a few oldies, but goodies this past weekend. Heat, Miami Vice, and Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol....haven't watched these with my current set up and I was flabbergasted on how powerful and exciting these movies sounded. I run a Yamaha 3040 in Dolby Surround Upmixer mode...main volume set to -5, and subwoofer trim level settings at 0 in the AVR.


MI:GP sounded absolutely stunning. The bass was really powerful on a few scenes and the surround mix was perfect.....Man oh Man


Listening at these levels even HEAT and Miami Vice had some impressive bass moments (more MV than Heat). Really nice and surprising bass oomph on some scenes that I never experienced quite so powerfully before (even though I have watched each of these films over four times each, perhaps six times each). I love unearthing new surprises from very familiar tracks after upgrading some gear.


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The graph is right for sure I've graphed it twice. Also it sounds like sh*t so that confirmed it. maybe the ATMOS is different but who knows. I can't wait to hear someone who knows bass and have a capable system responce to that ATMOS track. The blu ray sounds freaking hollow, no bass what's so ever and I'll get a good laugh when people that purchase it freak out 😂 and a bigger laugh when people give it incredible reviews for sub bass that shakes the earth HA.

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Are you planning on graphing the Atmos track MrGrey? While I enjoy reading various posters opinions, I would rather see a graph.
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Are you planning on graphing the Atmos track MrGrey? While I enjoy reading various posters opinions, I would rather see a graph.
based off the track record ATMOS mixes have...it should graph WAY better than what MrGrey posted.....this would be an absolute first for ATMOS bass to suck that bad

and I agree graphs dont lie (not that people do either...but perception and reality are two different things)
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Are you planning on graphing the Atmos track MrGrey? While I enjoy reading various posters opinions, I would rather see a graph.
Well there is no true ATMOS file from what I've read it's metadata that is called upon and not added channels that's why it's core 7.1. I can't remember where I saw that but the program I use only detects the 7.1 channels.

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Well there is no true ATMOS file from what I've read it's metadata that is called upon and not added channels that's why it's core 7.1. I can't remember where I saw that but the program I use only detects the 7.1 channels.

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not if the UHD has ATMOS and the BR has 7.1...they are 2 separate mixes...otherwise they would have just included the ATmos on all discs
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not if the UHD has ATMOS and the BR has 7.1...they are 2 separate mixes...otherwise they would have just included the ATmos on all discs
The one i graphed was the ATMOS bd. this is what i was trying to explain via audioholics,

Dolby Atmos is not just a system with more channels than 7.1. It works with three primary elements:
1. Bed Audio
2. Object Audio
3. Metadata
Bed Audio: these are channel-based stems, again in 5.1 or 7.1, so basically the same as in former surround-formats. The individual channels are static inside the bed.
Object Audio: these are mono- or stereo channels with dedicated surround panning. These channels are not in a bed, but remain individual.
Metadata: Surround panner metadata for Object audio and additional metadata.


http://www.audioholics.com/audio-tec...or-home-cinema


So because of this the only files that can be extracted is the 7.1, unless they update the program so we are able to graph those objects also.

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The one i graphed was the ATMOS bd. this is what i was trying to explain via audioholics,

Dolby Atmos is not just a system with more channels than 7.1. It works with three primary elements:
1. Bed Audio
2. Object Audio
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Bed Audio: these are channel-based stems, again in 5.1 or 7.1, so basically the same as in former surround-formats. The individual channels are static inside the bed.
Object Audio: these are mono- or stereo channels with dedicated surround panning. These channels are not in a bed, but remain individual.
Metadata: Surround panner metadata for Object audio and additional metadata.


http://www.audioholics.com/audio-tec...or-home-cinema


So because of this the only files that can be extracted is the 7.1, unless they update the program so we are able to graph those objects also.

I GET that much...I was mistaken I thought the BR only had 7.1 not the ATMOS track...I thought it was exclusive to the UHD disc my bad
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I GET that much...I was mistaken I thought the BR only had 7.1 not the ATMOS track...I thought it was exclusive to the UHD disc my bad
That's cool, yeah I was surprised but then again it didn't deliver.

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Sausage Party is F'ddddd UP 😱😱 freaking hilarious film. I feel sorry for the parents who unknowingly let their kids see this in the theater lmao, those kids are changed. This is a must watch with friends and family it's wild.

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Sausage Party is F'ddddd UP 😱😱 freaking hilarious film. I feel sorry for the parents who makes their kids see this in the theater lmao, those kids are changed. This is a must watch with friends and family it's wild.

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I just watched the trailer...I already have it per-ordered (before watching the trailer) I like everyone who wrote and is in it...so
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I just watched the trailer...I already have it per-ordered (before watching the trailer) I like everyone who wrote and is in it...so
O yeah I've never been this happy to watch them all together since Pineapple Express, they delivered.

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Me and the GF can't wait for Sausage Party! Ever since we saw the trailer, this has been a can't wait to rent.

I don't think Atmos means squat when it comes to full bandwidth bass as there have definitely been some Atmos mixes with lacking bass like San Andreas (I wasn't impressed with this audio track in general as it was just LOUD and harsh to my ears with lame bass response).
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Me and the GF can't wait for Sausage Party! Ever since we saw the trailer, this has been a can't wait to rent.

I don't think Atmos means squat when it comes to full bandwidth bass as there have definitely been some Atmos mixes with lacking bass like San Andreas (I wasn't impressed with this audio track in general as it was just LOUD and harsh to my ears with lame bass response).
Yea that crap hurts my ears and sounds harsh, such a weird mix.

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Me and the GF can't wait for Sausage Party! Ever since we saw the trailer, this has been a can't wait to rent.

I don't think Atmos means squat when it comes to full bandwidth bass as there have definitely been some Atmos mixes with lacking bass like San Andreas (I wasn't impressed with this audio track in general as it was just LOUD and harsh to my ears with lame bass response).
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But SA even didn't roll off a cliff at 35hz
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I know these days theater Atmos mixes (or standard 7.1 mixes) are different from home mixes but I saw STB in the theater and I kept waiting for a decent kick of bass. None, nada nothing. For comparison I saw the Deep Water movie and it had moments that u felt some bass. STB sound felt 'shallow' and I hope I am proved wrong with the Atmos disc.


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