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You cant turn up what's not there. Nobody's bitching about the level in STB, it's the fact that it drops fast around 40hz. So yeah, has nothing to do with being "pansies".
Ditto,

If you want to crank levels up 10dB for stronger mid bass on STB, that's fine.
...but don't forget to dial things back down before playing Edge of Tomorrow.

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If you haven't watched Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol and Rogue Nation in a while....please crank the volume up and run your subs hot...then get ready to sit through some awesome bass moments, along with pitch perfect surround mixes. Out of the two, I feel like Rogue Nation is just a tad more delectable but they are both supreme audio mixes with powerful bass. I enjoyed these the first couple times around...but cranking the MV and sub trim on these was really fun.


P.S. - I have set my sub trims at 0 for over 5 months now on the advice of a fellow AVSer, and it has dramatically improved many familiar movie mixes. If you've got powerful/capable subs (once you've set them up properly of course), you may be inclined to try this. I ain't telling you to blow out your windows and destroy your subs, but do crank them up a bit more than usual. A lot of us have some powerful rigs that need to breathe every once in a while.
Once again brahman...and don't take this personally...but telling people you're running your sub trim at "0" is meaningless without telling us your starting point. You could be running 1dB hot or 15dB hot, we have no idea.
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I'm sure we're all tired of talking about STB, but MaxMercy put up some good filters to boost the low end. The content is there, it just needs to be boosted. I tried these filters, the bottom end is greatly improved.

http://data-bass.ipbhost.com/index.p...hread/?p=15189


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I'm sure we're all tired of talking about STB, but MaxMercy put up some good filters to boost the low end. The content is there, it just needs to be boosted. I tried these filters, the bottom end is greatly improved.

http://data-bass.ipbhost.com/index.p...hread/?p=15189


I would love to hear the track this way! BEQ is obviously a lot different than just bumping up your sub trim though. I don't have the ability to BEQ with the gear I have unfortunately.
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Alan my man....no worries buddy. I know what you're saying but as I said last time... I am just talking in a fun and general manner when I post for the most part.Thus, I am suggesting and not prescribing. I am not as analytical and exact as others, unless I am asked for such clarification. In the post I stated that I wasn't saying to do anything other than to pump your badboys up a bit more than usual. No doubt I respect what you are saying and the more exact nature of your thought process along these lines...but I am just funnin' in these types of posts brother. Kickin' it light and simple with some fellow gear/movie lovers. There are lots of folks here that are much more knowledgeable than me, and I include you in that bunch, but that doesn't mean I have to post my thoughts and experiences in the same manner that they would. Different strokes for different folks ;-)
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Beastaudio...I think I might understand what you're saying about bumping up STB in order to try and get more enjoyment out of the track. But I believe what others were saying is that although you can bump up the bass, you can't try to create what isn't recorded on the track. You may get a nice kick out of the increased levels of low frequencies and mid bass that are on the mix but you can't create ultra low frequencies, if they are no where to be found, by just turning things up. The disappointment for many here is not so much that the movie or overall mix sucks...but that there is no true infrasonic experience to be had within a movie that they think deserves such an inclusion. Opinions vary and they are all valid.
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Patzig...what you posted about STB is interesting stuff that looks like fun. Gotta get my hands on that boosted and improved version, darn it
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No takers on Don't Breath yet??

Careful. Might hurt some subs...
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Careful. Might hurt some subs...

It's on top of my Netflix que, but doesn't come out until 11/29.
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It's on top of my Netflix que, but doesn't come out until 11/29.
Same here May the best man win on who gets it first
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PREACH!

I was thinking just this last night while watching STB. Haters comin in talkin' bout no bass on the track. Yea yea, you guys were right, but in the face of adversity from poor audio mixing comes the "Subwoofer Trim Adjustment." Quit being a buncha pansies and bump that sucker another 5-8dB and enjoy.
Haters? I believe this is a thread to discuss movies with bass. So if a movie does not deliver the goods we are suppose to sugar coat it to keep from causing sensitive feelers? You can run the sub's as hot as you want and it will not help the 40hz roll off in STB...the problem is lack of depth not recorded level.
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Same here May the best man win on who gets it first

This is OT, but has Netflix been sending you (or anyone else here) extra discs the last several months? I have the 2 out at a time plan and for a while now they will commonly (not always) send me 3 and sometimes even the top 4 in my que at a time for some reason. Not complaining of course, but are you getting more sent to you than your plan calls for sometimes?
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This is OT, but has Netflix been sending you (or anyone else here) extra discs the last several months? I have the 2 out at a time plan and for a while now they will commonly (not always) send me 3 and sometimes even the top 4 in my que at a time for some reason. Not complaining of course, but are you getting more sent to you than your plan calls for sometimes?
Yes the same for here!! I'm getting an extra disc out at a time. I thought it was because most of the films in my queue have a wait on them so they were just trying to keep me happy by sending out an extra one. What ever the case my be I'm just fine with it.

Don't Breath is on the top of my queue also so you and Audiofan1 will have to wait!!
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Haters? I believe this is a thread to discuss movies with bass. So if a movie does not deliver the goods we are suppose to sugar coat it to keep from causing sensitive feelers? You can run the sub's as hot as you want and it will not help the 40hz roll off in STB...the problem is lack of depth not recorded level.
What movie is STB?

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I don't have measuring eq and I'm sure this movie has been discussed but in Xmen Apocalypse there are a few scenes, especially during the final battle, especially during the time when En Sabah Nur is trying to transfer to Xavier's body.
I could feel the extended low end through my couch and everything in the room was vibrating.
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You cant turn up what's not there. Nobody's bitching about the level in STB, it's the fact that it drops fast around 40hz. So yeah, has nothing to do with being "pansies".
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Beastaudio...I think I might understand what you're saying about bumping up STB in order to try and get more enjoyment out of the track. But I believe what others were saying is that although you can bump up the bass, you can't try to create what isn't recorded on the track. You may get a nice kick out of the increased levels of low frequencies and mid bass that are on the mix but you can't create ultra low frequencies, if they are no where to be found, by just turning things up. The disappointment for many here is not so much that the movie or overall mix sucks...but that there is no true infrasonic experience to be had within a movie that they think deserves such an inclusion. Opinions vary and they are all valid.
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Haters? I believe this is a thread to discuss movies with bass. So if a movie does not deliver the goods we are suppose to sugar coat it to keep from causing sensitive feelers? You can run the sub's as hot as you want and it will not help the 40hz roll off in STB...the problem is lack of depth not recorded level.
I thought you guys knew me better than this...I was totally tongue in cheek there, just kidding around as usual. I know you can't boost your way out of a crappy rolloff.

What you CAN do if you have EQ but not BEQ capability is to create a sort of L/T that will be WAY too much for a standard full bandwidth track, and cater towards these early rolloffs. You'd have to double check it and it would be some work, but you can actually get a little of it back similar to what max does, you are just handling it a little further downstream, and it won't be quite as accurate. I dialed in my most agressive LT for that movie and it didn't disappoint me for the most part. Alas, it would have been nice if they just started us out with a full bandwidth track to begin with.
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I thought you guys knew me better than this...I was totally tongue in cheek there, just kidding around as usual. I know you can't boost your way out of a crappy rolloff.

What you CAN do if you have EQ but not BEQ capability is to create a sort of L/T that will be WAY too much for a standard full bandwidth track, and cater towards these early rolloffs. You'd have to double check it and it would be some work, but you can actually get a little of it back similar to what max does, you are just handling it a little further downstream, and it won't be quite as accurate. I dialed in my most agressive LT for that movie and it didn't disappoint me for the most part. Alas, it would have been nice if they just started us out with a full bandwidth track to begin with.

LOL...you got us...we thought you were serious.
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Sometimes they do And I ain't complaining !
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I thought you guys knew me better than this...I was totally tongue in cheek there, just kidding around as usual.
Then why even bother posting here? You keep doing this BS. Post garbage, then play dumb when people call you on it, then say sorry, it was a joke.
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I don't have measuring eq and I'm sure this movie has been discussed but in Xmen Apocalypse there are a few scenes, especially during the final battle, especially during the time when En Sabah Nur is trying to transfer to Xavier's body.
I could feel the extended low end through my couch and everything in the room was vibrating.
Yes theres significant ULF measured in that one. ULF in XMA
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Then why even bother posting here? You keep doing this BS. Post garbage, then play dumb when people call you on it, then say sorry, it was a joke.
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I believe you will need a NANOAVR HD in order to apply those filters especially for just that movie as the filters also go into other audio channels and not just the LFE which if it was just the LFE channel you could use the MiniDSP provided that you had enough Eq blocks to put in those filters.
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But it's not to say that you couldn't apply good filters inside of the MiniDSP and get good results it's just that it should sound correct or better using the NanoAVR Hd with said filters.
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A mini DSP is not what you want for that. You need something that can apply filters to the audio track of the blu ray, not the sub's. As mentioned the Nano AVR will do it but its not cheap. More cost effective solution is to skip STB and buy movies with good LFE. I am not going to support this garbage. A 30hz filter with a gradual roll off I can live with, but this 40hz brick wall **** is for the birds...no wonder the MBM craze is in full swing.
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i personally think the MBM's are a fad...why all of a sudden is midbass so desirable, and now so much it makes a filtered movie great for bass??...it sounds like nightclub/lowrider car syndrome to me.
Not a fad and...to each his own, but I prefer the mid bass slam and hot too. I couldnt get it with my front stage. Ended up building 4 mag 12's and oh man, the slam hitting chest stuff is incredible. Very tactile. Anyone comes over for a movie viewing is jaw dropped. Gunshots are given a hole new meaning when you feel it in the chest...and it needs to be hot to get that feeling and in closer proximity...why i prefer a separate mbm system.

I have 2 full marty's too...they do extememly well in the low end, in room 14hz and can get loud...but I still prefer the mid bass...to each his own.
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