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Not sure how it works seeing that frequency range was already covered Is this mostly preference over a reference thing?
You can have ten different system with identical frequency response while each can have completely different tactile response. Its not so much preference as it is having reference tactile response to match ones reference frequency response.
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Legend of Tarzan

Great reference bass and a reference Atmos sound mix as well (possible contender for #1) good movie as well
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You can have ten different system with identical frequency response while each can have completely different tactile response. Its not so much preference as it is having reference tactile response to match ones reference frequency response.
I see,its more a focus on tactile response but how are you guys determining a reference point?
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in no way have I called any mbm user a ghetto blaster....re-read what I posted...I said i equate it (being increased mid bass NOT the user) to the cars that are ghetto blasters...low riders...that have 7000watts and 4 12" subs in the trunk which is all midbass slam....in no way is that demeaning to HT users
I re-read what you posted. "I get TONS of chest slam...dont need a cheap bad sound quality MBM to artificially enhance that" was not complementary.

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….so if i am still getting at peaks over 120db accross the range...why do i need an MBM? ….I get TONS of chest slam...dont need a cheap bad sound quality MBM to artificially enhance that...ala the ghetto blaster lowrider cars cruising down the street with the side panel rattling
MBMs are not about boosting mid-bass FR.

Every time MBMs are brought up I get the feeling that folks have not truly read the 1st post in the MBM thread. I'm starting to feel like MBM users are members of FarmersOnly.com, audiophiles just don't get it.
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Legend of Tarzan

Great reference bass and a reference Atmos sound mix as well (possible contender for #1) good movie as well
I watched this last night as well and agree with you on the bass which was very well done! The movie though I thought was laughably bad. These type of films make me SO happy for Netflix and Redbox as I would have been kicking myself if I purchased this turd.
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Crazy that this little 1200D is causing this much chaos LOL. Some who love it, some who hate it, some undecided, some intrigued and thinking they may want to try one. And then some who just can't not even fathom why some are putting such a "piece of garbage" into the mix of an already high end top notch (reference or near reference) system.

I know there are probably better MBMs out there (mag12, pa460, etc come to mind, especially if you don't mind DIY/AIY). What ever your opinion of the 1200D, there is no denying with it's port tune up higher, it can and does (for a lot of us) add at least a little to a substantial amount of chest slam/pressure/shortness of breath. Whether or not that brings down your overall SQ probably has a lot to do with the way its integrated and how much its actually contributing compared to the rest of your subs.

I know for me personally, its not contributing a ton because 3 of my DIY sealed 18's that are NF right behind me are already giving me an amazing amount of chest slam. With the addition of the 1200 sitting on top of them, it takes that kick to the chest up another notch, with no loss of SQ (if I don't get to overly carried away with the settings on it a least). I know some are not into that over the top feeling, but I love it for movies.

For $300 or less, what's the big deal to try one out. If its hated or doesn't add anything to the chest punch experience and brings your SQ down, then $10 sends it back (Crutchfeild). I'm sure that's part of the problem though around here is that, how can something so cheap add so much, according to some of us anyway. I'm a believer because I've experienced it first hand. That said, knowing what this little "POS" can add @Brain Fineberg (it probably is mainly being used for the air being pushed out of its ports), I'd love to try a mag12 in place of the 1200d for comparison and probably will some day.

Actually I'm not really surprised this 1200d MBM is causing such controversy. iirc, the MBM from HSU was kind of the same way, but not to this level.

I'm not fortunate enough to have a dedicated room like some of you here and the only way I can get the kind of bass that I crave in my big open living room is by having multiple 18's behind me with the addition of the 1200d helping as well.

I'm grateful for this place and for the folks that are open minded enough and willing to experiment and share there experiences. If not for this, I may have never tried out nearfield with true subs or MBM's. I'm open and willing to try just about anything to get that amazing and ridiculous bass/HT experience that I'm after. If it doesn't work, then try again with a little different strategy
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I wonder why did HSU discontinue the MBM? They literally discontinued it less then a year after releasing the MK2 version.
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I wonder why did HSU discontinue the MBM? They literally discontinued it less then a year after releasing the MK2 version.
Probably lack of sales. The Mk2 was probably just to try to spark interest. I doubt they really substantially put lots of time and money into it as opposed to their other subs.

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Probably lack of sales. The Mk2 was probably just to try to spark interest. I doubt they really substantially put lots of time and money into it as opposed to their other subs.
I agree, probably lack of sales for sure. I do think they were on to something though, at least for a quick and easy way to feel guns shot, etc more in the the chest with the NF placement of it. I think it just never really took off and only a handful of people were able to integrate it successfully. That along with some of the usual bashing of it that usually happens with this sort of thing just killed sales. They should have got @dominguez1 involved!
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I see,its more a focus on tactile response but how are you guys determining a reference point?
That's a tough one because we're starting from scratch with this type of testing, first finding a reliable, useable metering device, then adapting to it and developing the test methodology, then setting a reference standard. We've been fine tuning all of this over the last 18 months. The initiate reference mark was way too aggressive and since then we've tweaked the numbers to a level that I think matches up well with the standards we have for SPL. For TR it 1E-04 using the VS meter. Even this is pretty difficult/impossible to achieve without NF subs, TT's/MA's or both. So if you can sustain a 115db+1e-04PSD to 20hz orbelow, you have a serious system that truly capable of experiencing the soundtrack to its fullest.
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I'm excited for the family movie Kubo and the Two Strings that comes out on bluray November 22. We didn't watch it in theaters, but I'm sure my 5 year old would love it (got great reviews). The animation looks awesome! Any comments on the audio/video from those that have seen it?
Just finished this movie with my kids. They like the movie. Video looks excellent. There are 5-6 moments my seat got shaken pretty good.
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Hands of Stone is a great flick....decent bass too.
Yes - watched that today with southpaw - enjoyed them both with decent audio.
got my fill of boxing today -
Ana de Armas pretty sweet
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Kubo and the Two Strings |2016| Graph

No ATMOS for this release even thought it had ATMOS in the theaters, how stupid of them.








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No ATMOS for this release even thought it had ATMOS in the theaters, how stupid of them.





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I really looking forward to this even more now!
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I just watched this last night, and it had some awesome tactile scenes.. lots of really thumpy gun shots, choppers, and things of that sort

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Don't think I ever saw a graph for this one, but I watched it over the weekend and enjoyed it a lot. Very creepy and had a lot of nice, droning bass to add to the suspense. Only a few big bass hits though.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3286052/?ref_=nv_sr_1

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I really looking forward to this even more now!

I saw this in a commercial theater with my 7 year old. The story themes may be a bit strong for some little ones (loss of loved ones, loss of innocence, having to grow up faster than normal, fighting for survival) but it is told in a tender and exciting manner. The action/fight sequences are pretty cool and have a classical Japanimation style. My son and I liked it quite a bit. Now seeing the graph that Mr. Grey posted, I am very intrigued to watch this again at home, since the theater I initially watched it in was not that awesome audio/video wise.
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Seems like we are on an ULF roll (not counting STB)
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Seems like we are on an ULF roll (not counting STB)
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I really looking forward to this even more now!

I saw this in a commercial theater with my 7 year old. The story themes may be a bit strong for some little ones (loss of loved ones, loss of innocence, having to grow up faster than normal, fighting for survival) but it is told in a tender and exciting manner. The action/fight sequences are pretty cool and have a classical Japanimation style. My son and I liked it quite a bit. Now seeing the graph that Mr. Grey posted, I am very intrigued to watch this again at home, since the theater I initially watched it in was not that awesome audio/video wise.
We streamed a compressed but watchable 720p version of Kubo and the Two Strings, and my 5 year old enjoyed it quite a lot, will be buying it for him when it hits on November 22. It does start a little slow and somber for kids, but it has fantastic animation/art style. The boy was heavily engaged throughout the film. The stream had poor audio, but I knew there was some bass in there. I really enjoyed the movie.

Now, Finding Dory is out on bluray tomorrow! :smiley:
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2017 Might be one of the most monstrous year for bass potential!!

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Nice little compilation there! Definitely a lot of promise and hopefully some damn good films too
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Actually, probably not. PVL is highly correlated with port area. Generally speaking, the larger the area, the less velocity you have.

Since horns are typically larger openings, its likely to have less pvl than the 1200d at the same spl. Granted, the growler can go MUCH louder, but being near field you probably won't ever get to those levels.
I agree. I have a THAM-12 and a VBSS tuned to low 20's. The ported hits harder (and from farther away) with the same output.
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NOTE - Ive never done this but why the hell not.
if the final release is better than this it will be a damn miracle.



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We streamed a compressed but watchable 720p version of Kubo and the Two Strings, and my 5 year old enjoyed it quite a lot, will be buying it for him when it hits on November 22. It does start a little slow and somber for kids, but it has fantastic animation/art style. The boy was heavily engaged throughout the film. The stream had poor audio, but I knew there was some bass in there. I really enjoyed the movie.

Now, Finding Dory is out on bluray tomorrow! :smiley:

Yes...my two little guys can't stop asking me to buy Finding Dory and Alice: Through the Looking Glass.
I just haven't had to the time to pick up Alice yet and I have Dory in my Amazon.com shopping cart right now, lol. I will surprise them this weekend and we'll have a great Saturday together. We'll also probably have to watch the most recent Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie again for the umpteenth time, since my 7 year old just got his blue-belt promotion, hahaha
Kids are the darndest things that can happen you...they have actually given me a built in excuse to tweak and use my home theater rig as often as possible. Awesome being a dad!!!!!
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Finding Dory bass is well done but much too tame for a proper bass fix; however, the soundtrack fits the film. About 00:42:45 is the best bass scene I could find. After watching this scene, I bumped the volume up from -5 to reference, and it had a bit more impact; however, I already run my subs so hot it should have been very powerful already.

The video quality is of course spectacular. As far as the movie goes, it's a solid sequel, but we didn't care for it nearly as much as Finding Nemo, missing that fun factor. Watching the bluray at home reaffirms this opinion (rented from Redbox). I might be skipping a purchase on this disc...not sure yet. Maybe the 4k release will be in Atmos.

@ 01:03:42 is a sort of glass tap 2.0 scene.
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