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Be aware that the deep water horizon blu ray at Redbox doesn't have HD audio. It is lionsgate even though it doesn't say it on the disk. I did a chat session to get a free rental as this is going right back. Not even going to watch it.
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Into The Grizzly Maze (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1694021/?ref_=nv_sr_1) was on tv the other day, I was working in another room and the bass was disturbing me Looks like a decent movie too.
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Be aware that the deep water horizon blu ray at Redbox doesn't have HD audio. It is lionsgate even though it doesn't say it on the disk. I did a chat session to get a free rental as this is going right back. Not even going to watch it.
I have noticed some of the redbox movies I get don't have atmos or HD audio. Any idea why that is?
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I have noticed some of the redbox movies I get don't have atmos or HD audio. Any idea why that is?
The industry wants to save and have you buy. Lionsgate is notorious for that.

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The industry wants to save and have you buy. Lionsgate is notorious for that.

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Funny cuz it costs MORE money to fabricate a rental version of their movies.


Likely done to tame/control/prevent pirating.
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Funny cuz it costs MORE money to fabricate a rental version of their movies.


Likely done to tame/control/prevent pirating.
Most likely but if it cost more to fabricate a rental there you have it. Eliminating Atmos etc saves them.

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It doesn't save them at all when they have made the mix already for the retail version.

Leaving it off the rental version does not save them anything.
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It doesn't save them at all when they have made the mix already for the retail version.

Leaving it off the rental version does not save them anything.
Doesn't save me any more money tho....that's all I care about, haha. Came home with $100 worth of 4 UHD movies today to test out..... Morgan, Accountant, DW Horizon, and Criminal (Regular Blu) which my folks suggested.
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Enjoy Deepwater Horizon. Enjoy it loud!
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These both followed me home today



a quick test drive of DWH once I got home was met with a emphatic TTFSD!

...and that was just the opening 5 minutes at -30 master volume
in the basement (the missus waaaay up on the second floor) W-T-F?!?!

Can't wait for Saturday afternoon (when I get the house to myself),
Drop the big 120" screen and fire up the projector (and reference level Atmos)

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Have both of those coming tomorrow! Can't wait to fire everything up and shake the house!! Woot!
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Be aware that the deep water horizon blu ray at Redbox doesn't have HD audio. It is lionsgate even though it doesn't say it on the disk. I did a chat session to get a free rental as this is going right back. Not even going to watch it.
Well dang, I redboxed DWH and Morgan but haven't watched them yet. At least Lionsgate doesn't water down the audio on the retail bluray by offering the same track as the UHD. It doesn't bother me nearly as much when studios alter the rental audio as it does paying full retail for a bluray devoid of Atmos.

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Well dang, I redboxed DWH and Morgan but haven't watched them yet. At least Lionsgate doesn't water down the audio on the retail bluray by offering the same track as the UHD. It doesn't bother me nearly as much when studios alter the rental audio as it does paying full retail for a bluray devoid of Atmos.
Oh my...

Is it me or do the sniper shots in the Accountant sound like cannonballs...
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Bass feast for sure, very well done to. The story is a little mehh, but the audio is awesome!
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Ya - film definitely saved some what by the audio - but pretty lame flic

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These both followed me home today







a quick test drive of DWH once I got home was met with a emphatic TTFSD!



...and that was just the opening 5 minutes at -30 master volume

in the basement (the missus waaaay up on the second floor) W-T-F?!?!



Can't wait for Saturday afternoon (when I get the house to myself),

Drop the big 120" screen and fire up the projector (and reference level Atmos)





Ha, good (or not ha!) that my wife does the same thing when she is home and I want to crank up a good bass flick! I only have two little 15" subs so I could imagine what my wife would think if I had some 18"s pounding away!

I have the Accountant up for this weekend and I will probably buy DWH soon. I saw DWH in the theater and I felt some really good moments in the auditorium so the BD must really kick!


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Yeah Deepwater Horizon kicks like a Motherfo

not a bad movie either
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Deepwater Horizon. Lots of boom boom.....

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Yeah! Deep Water Horizon definitely was a deep one but I can see were some found it boomy but I would say that was mostly due to a lack of overall upper bass punch or a much higher or boosted lower level. I liked the overall effect as it reminded me of the under lying ULF for Exodus gods and kings which lended itself well to that movie as well.
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From time-to-time, I see people post that most contemporary movies have bass that is filtered at about 30Hz. That is not my experience at all. It seems to me that there is more low bass, and ULF content, than ever in new blockbuster, or action-type movies. I understand that low bass cannot easily be reproduced by typical movie theater sound systems, and that what we hear in the theater (other than in IMAX theaters) would not usually go below about 30Hz or 35Hz. But, I have thought just the opposite is true with respect to DVD's and BR's--more low bass and ULF now, than in the past.

For those of you who really track this sort of thing, what's the truth? More low bass and ULF now than 5 or 10 years ago, or less?

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From time-to-time, I see people post that most contemporary movies have bass that is filtered at about 30Hz. That is not my experience at all. It seems to me that there is more low bass, and ULF content, than ever in new blockbuster, or action-type movies. I understand that low bass cannot easily be reproduced by typical movie theater sound systems, and that what we hear in the theater (other than in IMAX theaters) would not usually go below about 30Hz or 35Hz. But, I have thought just the opposite is true with respect to DVD's and BR's--more low bass and ULF now, than in the past.

For those of you who really track this sort of thing, what's the truth? More low bass and ULF now than 5 or 10 years ago, or less?

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Blockbusters are now coming out left and right with the 30hz cliff. Considering that the "Benchmark" movies we continue to use for ULF are still Hulk, War ot Worlds, HTTYD, etc., all of which are approaching 10 years old or thereabouts, that it's been there at least that long. There are movies releasing still to this day that have excellent full bandwidth tracks on them, but what we are basically seeing is these fullbandwidth soundtracks just aren't coming out on the blockbusters like they used to. which is EXTREMELY unfortunate.
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Was at Best Buy and stumbled across Expendables 3 in their $5 Blu Ray bin. I had remembered reading how the movie had excellent LFE and a good surround mix. Watched it tonight and it certainly was very good. Movie was a bit cheezy at points, but overall a good bass flick.
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Blockbusters are now coming out left and right with the 30hz cliff. Considering that the "Benchmark" movies we continue to use for ULF are still Hulk, War ot Worlds, HTTYD, etc., all of which are approaching 10 years old or thereabouts, that it's been there at least that long. There are movies releasing still to this day that have excellent full bandwidth tracks on them, but what we are basically seeing is these fullbandwidth soundtracks just aren't coming out on the blockbusters like they used to. which is EXTREMELY unfortunate.
Im sure most of us really agree.
Do you have any opinion on why?

Is it just that the sound engineers are designing around the fact that most theaters can't reproduce ULF/lower LFE?
Are theaters pushing their equipment too far and not having HPFs?
Are they just "copying and pasting" and making small edits to take short cuts and not dive in and give us that lower octave?

I do know one thing. It's a terrible feeling when you are trying to anticipate some serious ULF because a scene is just begging for some and it just doesn't deliver..

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oh I also caved and order Deepwater Horizon

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I rented it last night as me and the Mrs. watched it. Good flick and awesome bass
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Be aware that the deep water horizon blu ray at Redbox doesn't have HD audio. It is lionsgate even though it doesn't say it on the disk. I did a chat session to get a free rental as this is going right back. Not even going to watch it.
I wish I had been paying more attention - I just went through the same routine. I did watch it though, and even with just the 7.1 soundtrack it sounded good. I'll have to pick up the UHD version.
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I wish I had been paying more attention - I just went through the same routine. I did watch it though, and even with just the 7.1 soundtrack it sounded good. I'll have to pick up the UHD version.
Even the Netflix version has only the 5.1 DD audio. Specifically avoided Redbox and put it on the queue at Netflix - spun it last last night and what a disappointment. Didn't give my new PB16 Ultra the workout I expected (whether that's due to the track or mix is another topic). It's rediculous that Lionsgate does this. Big thumbs down.

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Even the Netflix version has only the 5.1 DD audio. Specifically avoided Redbox and put it on the queue at Netflix - spun it last last night and what a disappointment. Didn't give my new PB16 Ultra the workout I expected (whether that's due to the track or mix is another topic). It's rediculous that Lionsgate does this. Big thumbs down.
I thought it was just me until reading these comments, but I had to watch the entire film at reference, and I never go that loud for an entire film, typically listening around -5 to -10MV. It seems the rental audio is mastered at a much lower volume and I would guess more poorly in 5.1 based on all these reports. Even at reference, I wasn't blown away by the bass from the Redbox disc, but it definitely had copious amounts.

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I had the house to myself Saturday afternoon WOOHOO!
and watched Deepwater Horizon followed by the Accountant. (Both on 4K/UHD)

Deepwater was very impressive for Bass, Atmos effects, picture quality
and even for the movie itself, almost as good as 13 Hours.
The Accountant wasn't bad, but DWH was such a hard act to follow.

...If you have both definitely watch the Accountant first.
I think that was my 40th 4K/UHD purchase,
but the first with no immersive audio track
(only DTS-MA 7.1 on that one )
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I thought it was just me until reading these comments, but I had to watch the entire film at reference, and I never go that loud for an entire film, typically listening around -5 to -10MV. It seems the rental audio is mastered at a much lower volume and I would guess more poorly in 5.1 based on all these reports. Even at reference, I wasn't blown away by the bass from the Redbox disc, but it definitely had copious amounts.
I would say your probably right about the film being mastered at a much lower level. I watched DWH last night with subs around -15 and it was pretty loud at even that volume. I was down to -20 or so by the end because I have a 5 year old who was sleeping

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