Originally Posted by bossobass
notnyt's boxes are with 1 cube of the Caps box.
99.9999999% aren't interested in a system like not's, but 99.999999% are interested in a SM or a Cap? If so, let Jeff and Mark know ASAP.
I'm pretty much always in my right mind and have 3-120 Hz response, so maybe you're referring to a different no one.
It's not a matter of 2kw vs 4kw. That passive is -7dB at 20 Hz vs the powered. That's a factor of 5 times because from 30-80 Hz, where the AVRs calibration pink noise tone is, both subs are equal.
Sure, the EQ can be duplicated (but, not by 99.999999% of the population), but it wasn't there to be applied at the G2G, so I think you've missed my point altogether.
I'm not being flip. If a SubMersive, get the HP version. If the Cap, get the powered version. 'Most people' is an irrelevant argument. Most people, although I appreciate that you're apparently their spokesperson, will never have heard of, nor are they interested in buying either sub, much less consider the $500-1,000 options being discussed here.
Who's missing whom's points?
notnyt's boxes are comparable to a cap. Right. The gorilla in the room of course is that there are four (?) of them at a cost of what, $2500 apiece without the amplification? Apples to apples, right?
I never said or remotely implied what you'e stating, not even close, actually. What I said was that it's ALL about compromise in the VAST majority of scenarios. Understanding this and assuming others are in their "right mind", none of them would expect 3-120hz performance. Just as I stated.
I won't bother getting into a pissing match over how imperative it is to double the cost of the Cap by including an amp that's eq'd. We know you know more than I and I'm sure I'd rather put my hand in a blender to begin with.
Still, Jeff makes the subwoofer in two variations for good reason and I suppose he respects his customers enough to allow them to make performance vs. cost decisions for themselves...imagine that.
Your futile attempt to extrapolate my 99.998% figure regarding compromise into something else like leveraging it against a serious hobbyist eq'ing their sub is baseless and a complete disconnect.
"most people". Again. The argument for which I've made abundantly clear (compromise) is completely and utterly relevant and I of course never neither stated nor alluded that "most" of any discipline would own anything in the discussion here. Another disconnect.
I'd love to side by side the powered and competently powered passive cap and witness the results. As I've already stated, their are numerous owners who seem to be beyond satisfied with their passive model, but of course an immediate context against the powered version would prove to be very useful for obvious reasons. I for one would welcome the comparo...I am fortunate to have both the space and time to do so.
If facing the fact that many (really the overwhelming majority of) enthusiasts will never even approach the levels of "bass-dom" of which you've espoused, but may be content with a few upgrades over the years bothers you so, I would suggest avoiding threads like this where words and phrases like "value", "dollar for dollar", "bang-for-the-buck" and other "compromising" terminology are (rightfully) used by those ignorant enough to believe they can be happy without (4) cabinets and $15,000 invested in bass reproduction.
I'm not usually in the business of reacting like this, but I suppose I just take offense to the implication that making decisions based upon factors you deem relevant in your own life- be them marital, monetary, or otherwise- is shortsighted.
I find nothing wrong with (can we agree here) a bit extreme scenarios like yours or noytn's, why prod at ours?
I don't want to wreck this thread so I'll just shut up and move on now.