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Just wanted to get this out there in case someone was looking for a really nicely built TC sounds 15 sub. Has some really nice standard veneers but can get almost any veneer custom. Kits are also available.
http://selahaudio.com/id247.html
The nearfield response graph is available here.
http://selahaudio.com/id248.html
There is also a TC sounds 12 available.
http://selahaudio.com/id249.html
I have a pair of Selah speakers and the cabinets are gorgeous and the speakers sound amazing, really great work.
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Nice stuff!

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seems way over priced to me....
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Just wanted to get this out there in case someone was looking for a really nicely built TC sounds 15 sub. Has some really nice standard veneers but can get almost any veneer custom. Kits are also available.
http://selahaudio.com/id247.html
The nearfield response graph is available here.
http://selahaudio.com/id248.html
There is also a TC sounds 12 available.
http://selahaudio.com/id249.html
I have a pair of Selah speakers and the cabinets are gorgeous and the speakers sound amazing, really great work.

For the price of the TC Sound 15 a potential buyer can choose from several of the best subs on the market. The Seaton Submersive and the JTR Captivator are proven entities that are in the same price range. They have proven to be formidable performers. Veneers are nice but not necessary.
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The never ending price-performance-appearance question. I know these are too rich for my blood, but they do look sweet!
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The never ending price-performance-appearance question. I know these are too rich for my blood, but they do look sweet!

Meh...they look ok. a nice box...but an off the shelf driver which is not that expensive ($300-400) and probably a $300.00 amp does not justify a $2500.00 price sticker
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For the price of the TC Sound 15 a potential buyer can choose from several of the best subs on the market. The Seaton Submersive and the JTR Captivator are proven entities that are in the same price range. They have proven to be formidable performers. Veneers are nice but not necessary.

or you can get an Elemental Designs sub such as the A7-900 or P7-650 or A7s-650 in a custom gloss finish or wood veneer gloss for the same price.

just saying...

and I'd be leery of spending that kind of money from a company I've never heard of and is using an off the shelf 15" driver. Seems like a very nice DIY cabinet subwoofer

or how about a PAIR of A7-350's in gloss black w/ 1300watt ICE amps in them for less than one shiny 15" from those unknowns.???
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or you can get an Elemental Designs sub such as the A7-900 or P7-650 or A7s-650 in a custom gloss finish or wood veneer gloss for the same price.

just saying...

and I'd be leery of spending that kind of money from a company I've never heard of and is using an off the shelf 15" driver. Seems like a very nice DIY cabinet subwoofer

or how about a PAIR of A7-350's in gloss black w/ 1300watt ICE amps in them for less than one shiny 15" from those unknowns.???

I thought the 1300 watt amps weren't available anymore? Now I am confused........
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I thought the 1300 watt amps weren't available anymore? Now I am confused........

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Good lord that's pricey.

Is it twice as good as a ULS-15 or Rythmik F15HP or an A7S-450?
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***Veneers are nice but not necessary.

Isn't that an individual choice?

Some people just don't want a crudely finished box in their living rooms!

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Meh...they look ok. a nice box...but an off the shelf driver which is not that expensive ($300-400) and probably a $300.00 amp does not justify a $2500.00 price sticker

Have you ever seriously priced high-quality bespoke furniture? I asked a few local shops about making a cabinet to match my M-Design Eleganza Bellas in aesthetics and build/finish quality (Thick cherry endcaps, piano black midsection) for a Malestrom-X. I didn't get a single quote that was under the $3500 MSRP of the M-Design Eleganza Bella, so I ended up just buying the bigger M-Design sub (with the 15" Aurasound woofer and - gasp! - Dayton 1kW plate amp, and a $5000 MSRP) to match instead.

And quality of the drive-unit matters, too. Those eD subs may be big and loud and fine for movie explosions, but long-coil overhung drivers without shorting rings aren't terribly useful for high-fidelity audio. Depending on the TC driver used, Rick's sub may be much better.

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or you can get an Elemental Designs sub such as the A7-900 or P7-650 or A7s-650 in a custom gloss finish or wood veneer gloss for the same price.

just saying...

and I'd be leery of spending that kind of money from a company I've never heard of and is using an off the shelf 15" driver. Seems like a very nice DIY cabinet subwoofer

or how about a PAIR of A7-350's in gloss black w/ 1300watt ICE amps in them for less than one shiny 15" from those unknowns.???


nah, cuz that's just off the shelf amplifier.










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Could always get two of the 12s for the price of the 15.
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Isn't that an individual choice?

Some people just don't want a crudely finished box in their living rooms!



Have you ever seriously priced high-quality bespoke furniture? I asked a few local shops about making a cabinet to match my M-Design Eleganza Bellas in aesthetics and build/finish quality (Thick cherry endcaps, piano black midsection) for a Malestrom-X. I didn't get a single quote that was under the $3500 MSRP of the M-Design Eleganza Bella, so I ended up just buying the bigger M-Design sub (with the 15" Aurasound woofer and - gasp! - Dayton 1kW plate amp, and a $5000 MSRP) to match instead.

And quality of the drive-unit matters, too. Those eD subs may be big and loud and fine for movie explosions, but long-coil overhung drivers without shorting rings aren't terribly useful for high-fidelity audio. Depending on the TC driver used, Rick's sub may be much better.

"bespoke"? "M-Design Eleganza Bellas"? You crack me up dude!
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Hmm... This...

http://selahaudio.com/id247.html

...or this...

http://www.funkywaves.net/catalog.cfm?item=fw_18_0

Oh, let me think...

The Selah does look just fine and the integrated DSP is a nice feature. Still.
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and I'd be leery of spending that kind of money from a company I've never heard of and is using an off the shelf 15" driver. Seems like a very nice DIY cabinet subwoofer

Selah has been around at least a couple of years, making some pretty sweet speakers.

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"bespoke"? "M-Design Eleganza Bellas"? You crack me up dude!

um...aren't those Monster Speakers? as in Monster Cable? Correct me if I'm wrong.

if they ARE..well then price associated with performance is not correlated.
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Hmm... This...

http://selahaudio.com/id247.html

...or this...

http://www.funkywaves.net/catalog.cfm?item=fw_18_0

Oh, let me think...

The Selah does look just fine and the integrated DSP is a nice feature. Still.

FYI there is a new 2.4kw amp coming soon for the 18 series, with integrated DSP control.

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Meh...they look ok. a nice box...but an off the shelf driver which is not that expensive ($300-400) and probably a $300.00 amp does not justify a $2500.00 price sticker

No, it's not a cheap plate amp but a 1000-watt ICE amp with DSP for the crossover and equalization.

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Nice looking designs rick. A pair of those would make a lot of folks smile I'm sure...

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and I'd be leery of spending that kind of money from a company I've never heard of and is using an off the shelf 15" driver. Seems like a very nice DIY cabinet subwoofer
I've been aware a Selah Audio for couple of years now...

An audiophile likes to talk about how much they spent and how good it sounds.

A DIY'er likes to talk about how little they spent and how good it sounds.

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um...aren't those Monster Speakers? as in Monster Cable? Correct me if I'm wrong.
No correction necessary. You're right. They were a failure for Monster Cable, because they just didn't know how to sell a product that wasn't a con. You may think a $5000 sub is expensive, but in truth it is a reasonable MSRP for a subwoofer using $1200+ in raw parts (Aurasound NS15-992-4A, rebadged variant of the 1kW Dayton plate amp) with a stunningly made cabinet.

And Rick's price is not unreasonable, either. Some people are willing to pay more for cabinetry hand-finished in the West, with a good performance.

Everything doesn't have to be Ikea...

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if they ARE..well then price associated with performance is not correlated.
Please learn to read. My comment was that buying the complete sub to match my other two was cheaper than commissioning a cabinet of the same style and quality (for a Maelstrom-X).

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Strange. Let's do the math for a DIY.

LMS-R woofer $433
MDF/Finish - $100
1000W AMP with ICE and DSP - $800 to $1250?

Rough cost to DIY (excluding time and materials) - $1,300 - $1800

Assume the materials cost to Selah is $800 to $1200.

Add labour, overhead, profit, and you're typically at double or more the raw materials costs (I'm sure HSU, SVS, eD are all in that ball park, if not more depending on the sub).

Doesn't seem overly unreasonable for a sealed 15" woofer with DSP and an efficient 1000watt ICE amp and a top notch driver that of the above mentioned ID brands, only SVS likely matches in terms of quality with their upper echelon drivers (SB-13/PB13 drivers).

But yes, you could get subs with potentially similar or higher SPL numbers for cheaper. With cheaper drivers, amps, finish, etc. that may or may not sound different to you. If that is what you're after, the simple answer is that Selah Audio is not for you.

 

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Meh...they look ok. a nice box...but an off the shelf driver which is not that expensive ($300-400) and probably a $300.00 amp does not justify a $2500.00 price sticker
And your assumption is that an off-the-shelf driver isn't as good as one that's proprietary to the manufacturer? If so, I would strongly reconsider. Back in the late 80's I worked for an audio repair company and many of the OEM drivers were lower in quality compared to what you could buy from a parts distributor.

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And your assumption is that an off-the-shelf driver isn't as good as one that's proprietary to the manufacturer? If so, I would strongly reconsider. Back in the late 80's I worked for an audio repair company and many of the OEM drivers were lower in quality compared to what you could buy from a parts distributor.

Hi Rick,

Don't waste your breath on the bang for buck ID sub worshippers. They tend to know everything, including telling you what driver is better, what business model you should aspire to, what profit structure you should adjust to and what sub is more louderer than yours for less money.

You need to:

NEVER post your subs actual FR. Just use a ruler and a pencil.
ALWAYS invent a maximum output number that's at least +10dB above reality.
NEVER post X-max. Instead, post X-mech in inches and add a 1/2 inch while you're at it.
ALWAYS have a shill pop in and rave about how the subs "hits" and "slams".

Semi-kidding aside, nice looking products, excellent raw driver selection and congrats that I've heard nothing but good things from credible folks regarding your wares.

It doesn't hurt that you're a fellow tarheel either.

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Hmm... This...

http://selahaudio.com/id247.html

...or this...

http://www.funkywaves.net/catalog.cfm?item=fw_18_0

Oh, let me think...

The Selah does look just fine and the integrated DSP is a nice feature. Still.

I'd definitely go with the FW18.0, but the Selah is a great looking unit as well

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Hi Rick,

Don't waste your breath on the bang for buck ID sub worshippers. They tend to know everything, including telling you what driver is better, what business model you should aspire to, what profit structure you should adjust to and what sub is more louderer than yours for less money.

You need to:

NEVER post your subs actual FR. Just use a ruler and a pencil.
ALWAYS invent a maximum output number that's at least +10dB above reality.
NEVER post X-max. Instead, post X-mech in inches and add a 1/2 inch while you're at it.
ALWAYS have a shill pop in and rave about how the subs "hits" and "slams".

Semi-kidding aside, nice looking products, excellent raw driver selection and congrats that I've heard nothing but good things from credible folks regarding your wares.

It doesn't hurt that you're a fellow tarheel either.

Bosso

Thanks for your kind comments and sorry for my late reply! If you're ever in the Raleigh area give me a call. Don Keele is sometimes at our shop and you can talk subwoofers with him. Maybe I can bring the CBT arrays to Charlotte one day for a demo?

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