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Both of these subs have the feature(speaker outs) that meets my needs.

The BIC at $186 is considerably cheaper than the HSU at $349.

Is there a big difference in sound, especially with music? I have read that it is not as tight with music.

I would be placing either on an Auralex Subdude, would that help with music?.
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I now own the STF-2 and previously had dual BIC F12s. The Hsu is much cleaner and tighter than the F12. Music is no comparison. The Hsu was noticeably better from the first minute I turned it on. If you are looking to spend under $200, I always recommend the BIC. It is a great budget sub. If you are looking to spend more, the Hsu is better in every way.

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That's what I figured, so much for trying to save money!

Since you have the HSU, do you know if the spikes will fit on a 15x15 Auralex Subdude platform? I know it is 18" deep but I was hoping the front to back measurement on the tips of the spikes were 15" or less.

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Just a dumb question...

Why do you need "speaker outs"?

Most people say "I need the high pass"...

Making sure you are buying either of these for the correct reason.
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I just bought a Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum integrated tube amp. I have Energy RC-10 bookshelf speakers that have good bass for their size but could use the support of a sub.

The amp does not have a sub out so I need to run the L/R speaker outs from the amp into the sub, cross it over at 80hz. and run the L/R outputs to the RC-10's.
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It is about 13.5" from spike tip to spike tip front to back. The Hsu made me want to go back and listen to my music collection all over again. The higher you set the crossover with the BIC, the more noticeable its faults. Mine sounded decent because I ran it with towers and crossed over at 60hz. When I ran it with sats while I was upgrading my mains I had to set it around 80-100 and it didn't sound as good handling more of the low end. That was my impression at least.

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Sounds like I need to invest in the HSU. I was hoping for a break after buying my Rogue Cronus Magnum and Music Hall 7.1 but it would not be wise to support those with a sub that is not accurate.

Good to know it will fit on the subdude.

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I now own the STF-2 and previously had dual BIC F12s. The Hsu is much cleaner and tighter than the F12. Music is no comparison. The Hsu was noticeably better from the first minute I turned it on. If you are looking to spend under $200, I always recommend the BIC. It is a great budget sub. If you are looking to spend more, the Hsu is better in every way.

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I have a Bic 100 in my family room and a
STF-1 in my bedroom.
While the Bic is the best bang for the buck in the <200 range, the HSU is simply another class of tightness, musicality and accuracy.
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If you're comparing the two, the Hsu will be worth the extra cost.
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What about with 100% movies, would there be noticeable difference in quality between bic f12 and hsu stf-2 on bass heavy action movies?

Not too concerned with SPL level, mostly sound quality as I'm living in a condo and moving into a townhouse. I hear if crossed over at 60hz, then bic f12 doesn't sound so bad. I would rather not spend extra, but if the bic is noticeably inferior, then spending extra on a subwoofer would be worth it.
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What about with 100% movies, would there be noticeable difference in quality between bic f12 and hsu stf-2 on bass heavy action movies?

Not too concerned with SPL level, mostly sound quality as I'm living in a condo and moving into a townhouse. I hear if crossed over at 60hz, then bic f12 doesn't sound so bad. I would rather not spend extra, but if the bic is noticeably inferior, then spending extra on a subwoofer would be worth it.

As someone who has a Bic (and really does like it), and an STF-1, it is TOTALLY worth the extra money getting the HSU. It's just a whole nother thing.
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What about with 100% movies, would there be noticeable difference in quality between bic f12 and hsu stf-2 on bass heavy action movies?

Not too concerned with SPL level, mostly sound quality as I'm living in a condo and moving into a townhouse. I hear if crossed over at 60hz, then bic f12 doesn't sound so bad. I would rather not spend extra, but if the bic is noticeably inferior, then spending extra on a subwoofer would be worth it.

HSU the Smaller HSU will dip lower in the frequencies
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I wonder what the difference is between these HSU subs, besides cost:

1. UTF-1
2. UTF-2
3. VTF-1

Which would you choose between a UTF-2 and a VTF-1? I'm looking to watch movies, and also to listen to a bunch of music. Thanks!
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The STF2 is basically the VTF1 except in low extension mode only. The STF1 is like them except it doesn't dig as low, it rolls off at 32 hz. For music a 32 hz is ok but some movies have content deeper than that. Then again, some movies have content deeper than what the STF2/VTF1 can do as well. If you like loudness above all, get the VTF1 and run it in max output mode.
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The STF2 is basically the VTF1 except in low extension mode only. The STF1 is like them except it doesn't dig as low, it rolls off at 32 hz. For music a 32 hz is ok but some movies have content deeper than that. Then again, some movies have content deeper than what the STF2/VTF1 can do as well. If you like loudness above all, get the VTF1 and run it in max output mode.

The VTF-1 is stronger than the STF-2...It uses a different driver...

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I have read the driver magnet in the VTF1 is larger. Still I don't think the driver is going to be hugely different in terms of performance, at the most I think it'll offer a decibel or two more on the low end. It would be interesting to compare the closely.
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