Originally Posted by DS-21
Who cares how much bass there is, when the front three speakers not only fail to be identical in design, height, and orientation, but also seem to be placed with the goal of expressly maximizing diffraction?
That's kinda what I mean about getting priorities straight.
Lotsa 10Hz, perhaps, but serious problems in the midband and treble.
Its a picture from 6 years ago....the front speakers have changed but still have to find compromising space for them.
Okay, lets review the goals and the constraints of the project.
1. I wanted bass in a 35x50x12 room. I wanted a zero foot print, can not have subs on the floor and have the room look like Im still in college
2. Im not looking for ultimate system there because the room is a family room meant for fun, hosting events (football and 40 people). I wanted bass during movies with the footprint.
3. Yes, absolutely some issues will exist but I still have high performance bass and was happy when listening to music, movie or event.
4. Its a family room, it hosts parties, it allows for families/kids to come over for pool parties (the back doors go to the pool). You honestly think its a room where speakers and subs can be on the floor at all?? Its not a bachelor pad, its not a student living space. It has to have style and speakers HAVE TO BE OUT OF THE WAY because the real world does not think they are remotely cool. I have the custom room for all things cool in audio (just for me)
Yes, I 100% agree there are compromise involved with that but 99.9% of all systems posted online or owned still do not have the bass that room has period...I do not know of an individual that does not go "HOLY CRAP" when enjoying it so while your points have meaning online. The real world says its an incredible experience period.
I do have a custom HT room too...you know this (like JPC you guys look for holes and attack) and in that room I can build/design, measure until prefection exist if I choose too.
You still miss the point of the IB picture. It shows that people can obtain the lowest octave without large boxes, without huge $$$. That was the point, JPC tried to paint ULF systems as BIG boxes when that just is not true. It was not a point to say "here is the best overall system". If someone wants the best they still have to add midbass subs but that is a given once education happens.
Fact of the matter is, some of us have been in that club, and decided ultimately that, given the spectral content of actual program material enjoyed it wasn't worth the effort, expense, etc. to make ULF a priority. Now, if it happens to come about as a result of focusing on more important things, such as smoothing out the response in the upper bass, great. But it's not worth thinking about on its own.
No one is making ULF a priority OVER other ranges. Some of us just want it all. Again its a choice, you are posting that people should not have that choice and they should follow you only...that does not make sense to me.
If its okay with you, I would like my rooms to have 10Hz performance...is that okay??
The only truth here is that.
1. There is content below 15Hz.
2. There are many ways to obtain performance at the lowest octave and some designs cost the same as one PB13.
If people care about that then they can bypass you and JPC and ask Bosso, myself or many others that can offer solutions if they want them.
btw, Feel free to post pictures of your perfect family room so I can learn from them.