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post #61 of 69 Old 04-17-2015, 07:41 PM
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No. The driver unloads in this alignment under tune causing distortion.



Look at this pic. At the 45 hz distortion increases only slightly from 95 db to the 110 db line. Below 45 hz (which is approximately the enclosures tune) distortion spikes out of control as SPL increases and frequency decreases (this is evidence of the driver unloading).

At low SPL (95 db line) you have acceptable THD (10%) to ~28 Hz. At high SPL (110 db) it hit's 10% THD at ~39 Hz.

This is constant. You can't change this frequency to THD relationship with EQ. All you can do is use a highpass to reduce signal at and below 40Hz to keep THD in check.
Just to clarify:

Would ~45 Hz be the resonant frequency of the driver, and ~40 Hz the tune of the enclosure?

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Just to clarify:

Would ~45 Hz be the resonant frequency of the driver, and ~40 Hz the tune of the enclosure?
Not quite. ~45 Hz is where distortion is best controlled. Distortion is mostly caused by driver excursion, so we can infer that the frequency the box is tuned to (fb) is ~45 since that is the point where the driver moves the least causing the port to resonate instead.

We don't know the resonant frequency of the driver, and it really doesn't matter. What's important is that the box is tuned about 20Hz higher than we would like.

If you look at the data bass frequency chart you will see a aprox 15db/octave slope to about 25hz. That means that in room you may have a more even response to 25hz due to room gain, but keep in mind that below 38hz distortion becomes audible due to the high fb.

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The PL-200 was measured in the standard 2 meter ground plane configuration used for all Data-Bass subwoofer tests.
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I think that 95 dB at 1 metre falls within the moderate-to-high range of output.
Small vs Large signals often refer to the input voltage (small eg from Bluray player or preamp) vs the output voltage from amp to speaker (Large).

In this context, small signals would be those that don't induce power/excursion related distortion. The driver or subwoofer would show a linear response at .5w, 1w, 10w. Distortion isn't appreciably changing.

Large signals are where the rubber meets the road, if your application is SPL-limited. 100w, 200w, 1000w, etc. This tells you, how hard can I push this thing?

So a Frequency Response graph showing great extension to 28Hz can be misleading.
Like, "Look how I can lift this ruler with speed, control, acceleration. I made a graph, even. So, you should extrapolate that if we give me a broadsword, I will swing it the same control and speed. And a 200lb dumbbell, too!"

In reality, we know it's BS and only Hulk could swing a dumbbell like it was a little ruler.

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Is Bic Acoustech New Model Platinum Series PL-200 a huge upgrade to PL-200?

http://www.acousticsounddesign.com/c...pid=1555&sc=28

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After the PL-200 came out, it was almost a year before anyone did an objective test. Ricci did his test later (www.data-bass.com).

The new amp will be (somewhat?) more powerful but I would not expect a substantial improvement on the previous PL-200 that is also very highly regarded in this forum.
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Is Bic Acoustech New Model Platinum Series PL-200 a huge upgrade to PL-200?

http://www.acousticsounddesign.com/c...pid=1555&sc=28

There is only one PL-200:

http://bicamerica.com/showpage.php?b...pe=8&spkrID=86

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2 PL-200's - what effect?

Let's say I could get 2, PL-200's for $600 to $660 for my 20' x 20' wood frame garage listening area to supplement the low end of my 8040 (woof-powered) Def Techs.

Besides evening out the low frequency standing waves in the room, what kind of benefit would I have with 2 of these subs in the below 30 hz range?

I would think that the amps and speakers would not have to be driven as hard to achieve improved output in the 20 - 30 hz range, and with the 40 hz range tuned down 12 db, the curve down to 20 might be more acceptable.

Given these tradeoffs, is it better to get a single sub that gets down to 18 or 20 hz without too much trouble for $700 (think Hsu or SVS), or a pair of these for $660?

The tradeoff would be ...

Smoother distribution of lows throughout the room with the two cheaper subs and not quite as much clean low end extension, and perhaps a bit greater total output

versus

Greater, lower distortion, low end extension with smaller "sweet spots" somewhere in the room, and slightly lower overall output.

Ok, your turn.

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You'll have to put in some work with placement to get anywhere close to the added output 2 stacked sub's provides and I've had these exact same model sub's times 2 and with your budget I'd get a Rythmik LVX12 or comparably priced ported HSU instead and call it a day. Those BIC's were just to boomy for my liking. Sold them and went with one of the better ID brands and its a day and night difference for the better.
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I can tell you from first hand experience that one HSU VTF-3 MK5 will have more overall output than TWO PL-200's. And that is throughout the BIC's sweet spot as well of 35-55hz. Below 30hz the difference in output is staggering, the HSU destroys the PL-200's. The only benefit of the dual PL-200's would be the smoother bass response throughout the room, less peaks and nulls.

I upgraded from dual BIC's to one VTF-3 MK5, and then a month later added a second VTF-3 MK5. I absolutely LOVE my HSU subs. My favorite part of my home theater system without question.

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