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How come some people say their tinnitus gets louder when they are around a lot of noise? I think I noticed the same thing the other day. We had family over and my tinnitus was kinda loud and when they left it settled after awhile.
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^^^ In my case, if I listen to loud, bass heavy music for a couple hours, mine goes away for a few hours ..

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How come some people say their tinnitus gets louder when they are around a lot of noise? I think I noticed the same thing the other day. We had family over and my tinnitus was kinda loud and when they left it settled after awhile.

Actually I'm the opposite. If there is noise present my tinnitus seems to be less noticed to the point that I am completely unaware of it's presence. It's most noticable in a very quiet environment like sitting in my office talking to y'all.
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Actually I'm the opposite. If there is noise present my tinnitus seems to be less noticed to the point that I am completely unaware of it's presence. It's most noticable in a very quiet environment like sitting in my office talking to y'all.
I know what you mean. In a quiet room talking I hear it but with some noise I hear it some.
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Yet I don't use a fan to sleep I just listen to it and drift off.
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My first post about this was after reading about so many other's experiences. With all that talk I was wondering how many were actually doing something about it. Since then we had a gathering of couples in their sixties and seventies. I was surprised to find out all three males that I have known for a long time have tinnitus. So evidently it doesn't get talked about much. So don't feel alone.

My take on some of these issues:

I've seen a couple products on TV. One in particular (forgot the name) makes a splash for a while about once a year. They specifically mention tinnitus. Tried it about 8 years ago. Cream I think, or maybe drops. Didn't do a think for my tinnitus but I lost weight in the wallet.

My understanding of tinnitus is that it's best described as a ringing in the ears, relatively high pitched, constant and forever. Fortunately the brain can do a good job helping you to ignore it. You can't tell yourself to ignore it, it just happens. Personally I sometimes find myself aware of the ringing all of a sudden and realize that I hadn't been aware of it for quite awhile. The quieter it is the easier it is to be aware of it. If you're hearing multiple kinds of sounds, you might have something other than tinnitus. Also issues with not hearing bass notes is probably not related to tinnitus.

I should clear up something I mentioned in an earlier post. I mentioned my hobby, AV, and the 8-12khz range for my tinnitus. The hobby reference was about knowing what frequency it was, not the actual cause. For some our hobby might be the cause but in my case I think it was work related.

I have no medical background whatsoever. But I did sleep at........ I mean I've made myself aware of the condition.
To give you a relative rating of the sound, I'm in a quite room. The computer fan is about 5-10db above ambient. I would say my tinnitus is about 15-25db above ambient. If I was playing music I wouldn't be aware of it. Notice I didn't say it wasn't there, just that it would be masked by the music.

Someone mentioned almost liking the sound sometimes. I find nothing to like about a high pitched, constant, one note drone. But to each their own.

Loud noise in and of itself can cause ringing in your ears. Fortunately after the noise subsides the ringing eventually goes away. That's a case of the hairs in your ears folding over temporarily and then coming back to normal. I suppose if that happens a lot the ringing might not go away.

In any case this is somebody talking in a hobby forum about a serious hearing issue.

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My first post about this was after reading about so many other's experiences. With all that talk I was wondering how many were actually doing something about it. Since then we had a gathering of couples in their sixties and seventies. I was surprised to find out all three males that I have known for a long time have tinnitus. So evidently it doesn't get talked about much. So don't feel alone.

My take on some of these issues:

I've seen a couple products on TV. One in particular (forgot the name) makes a splash for a while about once a year. They specifically mention tinnitus. Tried it about 8 years ago. Cream I think, or maybe drops. Didn't do a think for my tinnitus but I lost weight in the wallet.

My understanding of tinnitus is that it's best described as a ringing in the ears, relatively high pitched, constant and forever. Fortunately the brain can do a good job helping you to ignore it. You can't tell yourself to ignore it, it just happens. Personally I sometimes find myself aware of the ringing all of a sudden and realize that I hadn't been aware of it for quite awhile. The quieter it is the easier it is to be aware of it. If you're hearing multiple kinds of sounds, you might have something other than tinnitus. Also issues with not hearing bass notes is probably not related to tinnitus.

I should clear up something I mentioned in an earlier post. I mentioned my hobby, AV, and the 8-12khz range for my tinnitus. The hobby reference was about knowing what frequency it was, not the actual cause. For some our hobby might be the cause but in my case I think it was work related.

I have no medical background whatsoever. But I did sleep at........ I mean I've made myself aware of the condition.
To give you a relative rating of the sound, I'm in a quite room. The computer fan is about 5-10db above ambient. I would say my tinnitus is about 15-25db above ambient. If I was playing music I wouldn't be aware of it. Notice I didn't say it wasn't there, just that it would be masked by the music.

Someone mentioned almost liking the sound sometimes. I find nothing to like about a high pitched, constant, one note drone. But to each their own.

Loud noise in and of itself can cause ringing in your ears. Fortunately after the noise subsides the ringing eventually goes away. That's a case of the hairs in your ears folding over temporarily and then coming back to normal. I suppose if that happens a lot the ringing might not go away.

In any case this is somebody talking in a hobby forum about a serious hearing issue.

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I did see an ENT and had MRI and came back normal. The hearing test showed mild loss on high frequencies so that may be the case for me. I know the tonal ringing is the main one most people have but in my case its hard to describe. It goes from a hiss to a blown speaker almost kinda sound. I am like you with a fan in a room I hear it but with say music I don't hear it. IMO I think that if someone needs a fan in a room to sleep that tells me they hear it all the time unless they are in a really loud room. With Tinnitus you can have one tone or multiple sounds that is considered "head noise".
I once mentioned I kinda like the sounds because in my case it changes and really what choice do WE have but hear it when it is quiet or semi quiet.
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Just a heads up for folks here, Amazon's dropped the price on the full size Ecotones Sound+Sleep from the usual $9x+ to $71.99
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002SMJQT4/ref=ox_sc_sfl_image_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

No idea how long the price drop will last as I haven't seen it for under $90 since I learned about it on this thread. I have the portable travel model, which is great. The travel version doesn't get very loud, but enough to do the job when it's beside the bed. I love sleeping while it's raining and the rainstorm setting on this is one of the most realistic I'v heard. The travel versions ability to run off micro USB or even batteries is a plus for travelers.

A couple of times when I've woken up, I didn't realize it was actually raining till I turned the machine off and the noise continued. I'm a very light sleeper so I need some kind of background white noise (usually a fan or a/c) on, otherwise every little sound will wake me up.

These puppies do the trick masking more noise than a fan does due to the variation in the sound when set to the highest Effects level (eg. the lowest level for the rain setting is just rain, higher settings include changes in the intensity of the rain, wind buffeting and even the rumble of thunder). Sort of accustomizes my sleeping ears to random noises, though some noises will still wake me up.


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Just a heads up for folks here, Amazon's dropped the price on the full size Ecotones Sound+Sleep from the usual $9x+ to $71.99
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002SMJQT4/ref=ox_sc_sfl_image_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

No idea how long the price drop will last as I haven't seen it for under $90 since I learned about it on this thread. I have the portable travel model, which is great. The travel version doesn't get very loud, but enough to do the job when it's beside the bed. I love sleeping while it's raining and the rainstorm setting on this is one of the most realistic I'v heard. The travel versions ability to run off micro USB or even batteries is a plus for travelers.

A couple of times when I've woken up, I didn't realize it was actually raining till I turned the machine off and the noise continued. I'm a very light sleeper so I need some kind of background white noise (usually a fan or a/c) on, otherwise every little sound will wake me up.

These puppies do the trick masking more noise than a fan does due to the variation in the sound when set to the highest Effects level (eg. the lowest level for the rain setting is just rain, higher settings include changes in the intensity of the rain, wind buffeting and even the rumble of thunder). Sort of accustomizes my sleeping ears to random noises, though some noises will still wake me up.


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Yes indeed that is a nice machine. In fact probably one of the best out there. I agree the rain mode is soothing and like you I have woken up thinking it was really raining outside. It is really that realistic.
I also enjoy the fireplace mode from time to time but I mainly keep it on rain mode.

Thanks for sharing!

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I made a sound awhile ago that sort of served the same purpose, it's a 75 minute sound called White Noise Sculpture, you can stream or download it here. It is just a white noise which continuously but gradually changes and never repeats itself. I made it from a bunch of different white noise generators and modulators from various sources. What is interesting to me is even though all the sound is one hundred percent electronically generated, many passages end up sounding like real world noises such as distant traffic, ocean surf, rainfall, industrial machinery, wind blowing through trees, radio static, etc. There is something basic and elemental about white noise that a lot of people find relaxing, maybe it is primal somehow, but I don't know what the explanation is.
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It is interesting how we look for external noise like machines but yet we can't tolerate our own tinnitus.
Makes no sense.
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It is interesting how we look for external noise like machines but yet we can't tolerate our own tinnitus.
Makes no sense.

Distraction and focus is why it works ... perfectly sense

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Hate to resurrect an old thread, but I've noticed that vitamin deficiencies caused a lot of my tinnitus... I read this article the other day, it it talks about a lot of the stuff I take now that helps me out tremendously... http://www.betternutrition.com/natur...dies-tinnitus/

Also, if you're over 40 go to a4m.com, find a doctor in your area, and have you're testosterone checked... Be careful what doctor you listen to on testosterone, many do not study it and have no clue... They give really bad advice...
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Hate to resurrect an old thread, but I've noticed that vitamin deficiencies caused a lot of my tinnitus... I read this article the other day, it it talks about a lot of the stuff I take now that helps me out tremendously... http://www.betternutrition.com/natur...dies-tinnitus/

Also, if you're over 40 go to a4m.com, find a doctor in your area, and have you're testosterone checked... Be careful what doctor you listen to on testosterone, many do not study it and have no clue... They give really bad advice...
I was wondering about melatonin the other day. I may give it a try. I do notice a change in my tinnitus from day to day that seems related to sleep cycle and sleep quality. I do question the article though. A lot of studies have shown ginko to be worthless in tinnitus treatment. There is also no mention of zinc for which there is a clinical trial on going. I tend to think anything that helps you well being will help you cope with tinnitus better. If you are ill feeling, tinnitus will just seem worse to you, so in that regard supplements can help. But the sleep thing has had me intrigued for a while now.

I didn't know this thread was still active. I posted a long history of mine a while back. I'll post an update soon. It's still there, but maybe improved.

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My tinnitus is really bad (hence my user name).

Sometimes it wakes me up because it sounds like an alarm clock going off!

I also have just plain damage from years of playing guitar. I hear a crackling when I experience a sudden loud sound. This REALLY sucks since I've got 2 dozen vintage guitars and 2 dozen vintage Fender amps that I really can't tolerate being in the same room with. I can't even stand having someone sitting on my right side and talking. I wear earplugs in restaurants.


I think this was the final blow:

Blue Man Group - Audio (a 5.1 channel assault on your ears).

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00005...ref=mp_s_a_1_6

But it could have been (no link for obvious reasons):

Some idiot posted a hearing test on YouTube, starting from the high frequencies and then going down. And yeah, I should have known better.


I tried:

DSE Healthcare Solutions - LipoFlavonoid Plus Extra Strength Unique Ear Health Formula

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000NP...=SS115&simLd=1

Even four bottles didn't help.


My ENT doctor suggested this:

Arches Tinnitus Formula

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00134...=SY115&simLd=1


But one reviewer preferred this:

Tinnitivix - Effective Natural Tinnitus treatment

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00HKF...=SY115&simLd=1

I think I'll try this last one. Please let us know if anybody has any luck with any supplements, and get the word out if you do. And of course, take care of your hearing!

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Some of those supplements can help folks who have deficiencies in them from a lack in their normal diets. The problem though, is that there are SO many potential causes for tinnitus that these things may or may not help an individual (and that's not even taking the placebo effect into consideration).

If the cause of the tinnitus is actual hearing damage though, there really isn't anything that helps other than time and accustomization (i.e. you get used to it and learn to ignore it most of the time, except when you think about it, like I am now).

Yes, it's a good idea to spread the word about the potential for permanent hearing damage to those who haven't suffered any yet. Once you do folks, it doesn't heal.


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Last night I was awaken by a very loud ringing sound in my ears, mainly my left. It lasted about an hour and honestly scared the sh*t out of me. During that hour I was seriously thinking about selling my Captivator that I've owned since May.

Here is some background. I first noticed my tinnitus when I was 27 years old (I'm now almost 38) back when I had a JL Audio subwoofer in my car and would crank the music pretty loud (with overblown bass of course) on my daily 30 minute one way commute to work. It scared me enough to never crank my car stereo to that level again, in fact I don't even have a sub in my car now.

The level of the ringing has stayed pretty consistent since it first started over 10 years ago. I sleep with a recorded fan noise playing in the bedroom stereo at a low volume and also have the same recorded fan noise playing through a speaker designed to be placed under the pillow to mask the ringing while the head is sideways with the ear on the pillow. I've done this for the past 10 years and it has worked fine, and my tinnitus has not gotten any worse (or any better) until last night. The ringing was at least 10 times louder and it wasn't the type of ringing after a concert. After a concert your hearing is a bit muffled but last night my hearing was crystal clear which made the ringing that much more pronounced and obvious.

Since I bought the Captivator I have been listening to a lot of music, which has always been one of my favorite things to do. I'm a teacher on summer break so almost every night I'm listening for around 2 hours on average after everyone else is in bed. Last summer when I didn't have the Captivator it was more like 30 minutes and often times not at all.

I have a radio shack meter and I usually have the volume at 80-82, but there are breif parts of songs that I'll crank to 90 or sometimes higher. Overall though I don't like to go above 85db. Although there have been moments that I've gone as high as 116db on bass heavy music.

As far as movies go, I'll watch a bass heavy type movie maybe once or twice a month at around 15 under reference with the bass anywhere from 3-6 hot.

I really love to listen to music on my system, so it's depressing to think that I may have to stop. For the time being I think I will NEVER go above 85db when listening to music and back the average level down to between 75 and 80. Even with that I'm going to take at least a few days before I turn the Captivator on again.

Also, I had been under the impression that low frequencies don't do the same kind of damage that higher frequencies cause, which always made sense to me (and it was a nice justification for how I run the sub hot) since bass doesn't seem to hurt your ears much. (wow, while typing this my left ear just cranked up some ringing like last night... I had to stop typing and I waited for about 30 seconds and it slowly faded away - man, it's impossible to think or focus on anything but the ringing while it is happening). After doing some reading today it appears that is not the case. SPL level is all that matters when it comes to hearing damage, the frequency is irrelevant.

This may be the wrong place to post this kind of thing, and I'm not preaching to anyone to turn the volume down. I'm just curious if any of you guys have experienced anything similar and to be honest I'm scared by what happened last night (and just now!). If that level of ringing were to become permanent.... well it's easy to understand why tinnitus can cause major depression issues and even suicidal thoughts etc. Sorry if I'm bringing anyone down, I'm a bass-head so I understand if some on this forum don't want to read a thread like this.
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Smile Tinnitus is a little easier with noise cancellation at night

For me, the worst time for me to deal with tinnitus was at night. During the day, I can usually deal with the ringing in the ear by concentrating on other things in my life. I normally use an vitamin supplement, but that's not why I'm posting this reply to this thread. I want to talk about insomnia and tinnitus. We all know that silence is something that most tinnitus sufferers don't get to enjoy. Most of the time when we get a moment of pure silence, that's when the ear ringing is the worst. And for me, the time that I get is the worst is right before I go to bed, because my mind is constantly racing and the ringing just becomes WAY TOO overpowering. This is followed with anxiety and also frustration and finally leads to insomnia. If I can't get a good night sleep, then the whole day afterwards is even tougher. And with tinnitus, it almost feel impossible. Most of the time, I just wanna go home to sleep and then the cycle continues. Its really hard. I finally when the store one night that I couldn't sleep and tried to find anything that helps me sleep. They had this white noise generator called Lipo Flavonoid Sonorest Sleeptones. I bought this because I figures that I tried sleep aids that they weren't helping enough. No, the problem was mainly with me because I was obsessing about my tinnitus. I turned this machine on and went to bed. It played white noise, but also added a combination of pink noise and brown noise too. By the third loop I fell asleep and I stayed asleep! I was so happy and my day the next day was so much better. Look for a good tinnitus masker for noise cancellation. It really did the trick for me.
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I suffer from Tinnitus and occasional hyperacusis (over sensitivity to sound) and it truly, truly sucks. I really miss going to live music, the symphony, and even movies (since the volume playback in many theaters these days is too loud). I like dining out and unfortunately the trend in restaurants is to now deliberately design for an extra loud "live, happening" sounding room, with reflective surfaces, pumping music etc. Go on a tropical vacation with the family and it seems no communal activity can be done without a blaring sound system present pumping music. That sound assaults just seem to come from everywhere.

Fortunately I can still enjoy music at home, and movies in my home theater (not too loud). But it's mostly the spontaneity, the ability to enjoy doing so many of the "public" and social things, that I miss, because so many are associated with extremely loud sound.

It can sometimes astonish me how loud my tinnitus can get: I sometimes have the impression lying in bed that I'm in a Van Halen concert with the system cranked playing white noise.

And yet...I generally get along ok with it. I don't use any sleep masking because I never wanted to become dependent on a machine to sleep. So now for the most part my mind can ignore the ringing and sleep is not a problem. It's only a problem when I get exposed to loud sound - a movie or whatever - and then unfortunately my ears can ring much more loudly for a completely unpredictable period of time. It may last a day, a week, a month, or even a year or longer, before settling back to a non-panic-mode level.

(This is one reason I cringe when I read all the subwoofer-luvin' threads, especially the DIY. The systems these people are building seem like ear-damage machines in the making - gotta crank it to hear my subs shake my feet!).
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(This is one reason I cringe when I read all the subwoofer-luvin' threads, especially the DIY. The systems these people are building seem like ear-damage machines in the making - gotta crank it to hear my subs shake my feet!).
I think the noise standard for sub bass (below 80Hz) is at least 140dB--have to check with the government regs with that one. Basically, the deep bass frequencies won't damage your ears as something like 16Hz you need around 100dB to even hear it.

When you get the max SPL ratings for health and human hearing, it is A rated. For SPL testing for speakers etc. it is using C ratings which is a huge diference when dealing with bass levels. Tornado sirens are played at 1 KHz for a reason

The calibration done by a HT receiver sets the levels +10dB higher for subwoofers as those deep frequencies can go much, much higher than the midrange. The loudest I've ever measured on a really expensive SPL meter was 136dB at 11 Hz--it does freakish things to you from the pressure but hearing damage was not one of those things.

So the good news for the HT fans is your walls, windows and building will give up before your ears will. The monster subs on the DIY side is there in an attempt to go really, really low in bass response which takes massive amounts of subwoofers and amplifiers to obtain. The 8Hz tone won't hurt your ears unless the ceiling caves in and cuts them falling down.

Most of those DIY systems run no higher than reference (85dB avg. 105dB peaks) for the mids/highs and generally even lower than that. It takes a staggering amount of everything to chase the single digits in a large room. Very easy to hit 130dB of bass in a car, very tough to do in a normal living room/large room in a typical house without breaking the house.

One of the tricks I used back in my PA days in the 90's was to boost the bass and cut back the mids/highs a bit so people thought it sounded louder--and the bass was but the A rated SPL actually went down. SPL meters are your friend! I did a bump up from 40 to 70Hz of around +3 to +5dB after 11 PM but cut the highs back about 2 to 3dB. Did this as a favor for the waitresses and bartenders since hearing damage is a real concern with that gig.

Be careful out there!
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The calibration done by a HT receiver sets the levels +10dB higher for subwoofers as those deep frequencies can go much, much higher than the midrange. The loudest I've ever measured on a really expensive SPL meter was 136dB at 11 Hz--it does freakish things to you from the pressure but hearing damage was not one of those things.

So the good news for the HT fans is your walls, windows and building will give up before your ears will.
I wouldn't be so sure:

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/...hurt-your-ears

Anecdotally, as someone who has lived with hearing damage/tinnitus: I DEFINITELY find that bass frequencies exacerbate my tinnitus. In fact, they are my main enemy. In a loud restaurant or bar I can be perfectly comfortable with earplugs knocking down all the upper frequencies. But as soon as a song might come on with deep bass, I feel it through my whole body to my ears and my ears start ringing much louder. That's the problem with bass frequencies: you can't block them out fully with earplugs as they travel right through, or through your bones and inner ear bone structure. It's why I come home from many movies with my tinnitus ringing much louder - the earplugs can make the upper frequencies comfortable, but can't stop the assault of the massive bass. I live near a music club and often enough just the massive bass frequencies are what escape during a show, that low feel-it-rumble. Just walking by causes a clogged ear feeling and the ringing in my ears to rise. That also goes for when one of those insane "boom car" stereo systems drive up beside me. All I perceive is the massive low rumbling of the bass escaping their car, and the discomfort and louder ringing it brings to my hearing.

And also, if you are listening to pant-leg-flapping bass levels, it usually means you are listening to very loud upper frequencies as well.

I only wish bass frequencies were that benign...
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I was surprised to get a notice of posting on this old Thread .. as I mentioned a few years back, my tinnitus actually disappears for hours if I am subjected to mowing the lawn, listening to loud music, etc, for any extended period of time .. my DR has been unable to determine why ..

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Hey there.
Excellent topic!
Last week, I encountered first hearing damage. Techno music in some club. No place to hide, too loud. Bottle standing on the concrete stand or on the table would not stand for long time, even 15m far from the speaker stage. Crazy. I didn´t expect it to be so loud, but didn´t want to stay outside in cold. When we went home, I couldn´t hear on my left ear. I got some parties behind, so poor hearing after the party is not what I would be scared of. But to my surprise, sleeping for 12 hours didn´t help. I got very loud ringing and hissing in my ear, and couldn´t hear anything past 4-8kHz.
That scared the hell out of me. Now it´s almost week after the party, and while it got significantly better (80%) it is not fully cured and okay. Seems I might climb to 90% in oncoming weeks, but the loss is there. Too bad. I used to have excellent ears. Could sense tones up to 22,5kHz. Not anymore. Ended on 17,5k today, might go 18 after fully healed. The tinnitus is there. It´s weak, I can easily sleep at night in quiet village, but I hear it. Damn. It´s so easy to make a mistake. I regret so much...

As I like loud music (got 21" PA bass speaker now, and some semi-pro PA tops for nearfield usage), today I took a mobile phone SPL meter, and found out I ordinarily go in 120db range while listening my music. Crazy! Dude!!! Behave!
100db sounds so quiet, I couldn´t believe.

I also thought the bass is not a problem for hearing damage if you don´t go crazy. I clearly have the acute tinnitus from high tones, as it´s what caused the limiting and slight pain in my ear, but if I think about it, the bass can be quiet killer. You think it´s all okay, and one day, you realize your hearing is gone. Just like that. Without previous trouble. Take care guys...
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