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Doesn't sound like a tinnitus related occurrence.

2 possibilities:
A) it's occasionally possible to have one ear in a null at certain frequencies. Easiest way to see if that's it is to move your head around.
B) even more common is to get one ear's pressure unequalized, which will leave it sounding 'off' till it 'pops'. I get that every once in a while, just from swallowing or occasionally while turning my head. A couple of deep yawns and I'm good.


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I see. I was wondering if it was since some people with hearing loss mention they cannot hear above or below a certain frequency and therefore it is useless investing more in equipment and did not know if it was because of my mild loss in the high frequencies.
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How come some people say their tinnitus gets louder when they are around a lot of noise? I think I noticed the same thing the other day. We had family over and my tinnitus was kinda loud and when they left it settled after awhile.
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How come some people say their tinnitus gets louder when they are around a lot of noise? I think I noticed the same thing the other day. We had family over and my tinnitus was kinda loud and when they left it settled after awhile.

Actually I'm the opposite. If there is noise present my tinnitus seems to be less noticed to the point that I am completely unaware of it's presence. It's most noticable in a very quiet environment like sitting in my office talking to y'all.

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Actually I'm the opposite. If there is noise present my tinnitus seems to be less noticed to the point that I am completely unaware of it's presence. It's most noticable in a very quiet environment like sitting in my office talking to y'all.
I know what you mean. In a quiet room talking I hear it but with some noise I hear it some.
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Yet I don't use a fan to sleep I just listen to it and drift off.
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My first post about this was after reading about so many other's experiences. With all that talk I was wondering how many were actually doing something about it. Since then we had a gathering of couples in their sixties and seventies. I was surprised to find out all three males that I have known for a long time have tinnitus. So evidently it doesn't get talked about much. So don't feel alone.

My take on some of these issues:

I've seen a couple products on TV. One in particular (forgot the name) makes a splash for a while about once a year. They specifically mention tinnitus. Tried it about 8 years ago. Cream I think, or maybe drops. Didn't do a think for my tinnitus but I lost weight in the wallet.

My understanding of tinnitus is that it's best described as a ringing in the ears, relatively high pitched, constant and forever. Fortunately the brain can do a good job helping you to ignore it. You can't tell yourself to ignore it, it just happens. Personally I sometimes find myself aware of the ringing all of a sudden and realize that I hadn't been aware of it for quite awhile. The quieter it is the easier it is to be aware of it. If you're hearing multiple kinds of sounds, you might have something other than tinnitus. Also issues with not hearing bass notes is probably not related to tinnitus.

I should clear up something I mentioned in an earlier post. I mentioned my hobby, AV, and the 8-12khz range for my tinnitus. The hobby reference was about knowing what frequency it was, not the actual cause. For some our hobby might be the cause but in my case I think it was work related.

I have no medical background whatsoever. But I did sleep at........ I mean I've made myself aware of the condition.
To give you a relative rating of the sound, I'm in a quite room. The computer fan is about 5-10db above ambient. I would say my tinnitus is about 15-25db above ambient. If I was playing music I wouldn't be aware of it. Notice I didn't say it wasn't there, just that it would be masked by the music.

Someone mentioned almost liking the sound sometimes. I find nothing to like about a high pitched, constant, one note drone. But to each their own.

Loud noise in and of itself can cause ringing in your ears. Fortunately after the noise subsides the ringing eventually goes away. That's a case of the hairs in your ears folding over temporarily and then coming back to normal. I suppose if that happens a lot the ringing might not go away.

In any case this is somebody talking in a hobby forum about a serious hearing issue.

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My first post about this was after reading about so many other's experiences. With all that talk I was wondering how many were actually doing something about it. Since then we had a gathering of couples in their sixties and seventies. I was surprised to find out all three males that I have known for a long time have tinnitus. So evidently it doesn't get talked about much. So don't feel alone.

My take on some of these issues:

I've seen a couple products on TV. One in particular (forgot the name) makes a splash for a while about once a year. They specifically mention tinnitus. Tried it about 8 years ago. Cream I think, or maybe drops. Didn't do a think for my tinnitus but I lost weight in the wallet.

My understanding of tinnitus is that it's best described as a ringing in the ears, relatively high pitched, constant and forever. Fortunately the brain can do a good job helping you to ignore it. You can't tell yourself to ignore it, it just happens. Personally I sometimes find myself aware of the ringing all of a sudden and realize that I hadn't been aware of it for quite awhile. The quieter it is the easier it is to be aware of it. If you're hearing multiple kinds of sounds, you might have something other than tinnitus. Also issues with not hearing bass notes is probably not related to tinnitus.

I should clear up something I mentioned in an earlier post. I mentioned my hobby, AV, and the 8-12khz range for my tinnitus. The hobby reference was about knowing what frequency it was, not the actual cause. For some our hobby might be the cause but in my case I think it was work related.

I have no medical background whatsoever. But I did sleep at........ I mean I've made myself aware of the condition.
To give you a relative rating of the sound, I'm in a quite room. The computer fan is about 5-10db above ambient. I would say my tinnitus is about 15-25db above ambient. If I was playing music I wouldn't be aware of it. Notice I didn't say it wasn't there, just that it would be masked by the music.

Someone mentioned almost liking the sound sometimes. I find nothing to like about a high pitched, constant, one note drone. But to each their own.

Loud noise in and of itself can cause ringing in your ears. Fortunately after the noise subsides the ringing eventually goes away. That's a case of the hairs in your ears folding over temporarily and then coming back to normal. I suppose if that happens a lot the ringing might not go away.

In any case this is somebody talking in a hobby forum about a serious hearing issue.

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I did see an ENT and had MRI and came back normal. The hearing test showed mild loss on high frequencies so that may be the case for me. I know the tonal ringing is the main one most people have but in my case its hard to describe. It goes from a hiss to a blown speaker almost kinda sound. I am like you with a fan in a room I hear it but with say music I don't hear it. IMO I think that if someone needs a fan in a room to sleep that tells me they hear it all the time unless they are in a really loud room. With Tinnitus you can have one tone or multiple sounds that is considered "head noise".
I once mentioned I kinda like the sounds because in my case it changes and really what choice do WE have but hear it when it is quiet or semi quiet.
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Just a heads up for folks here, Amazon's dropped the price on the full size Ecotones Sound+Sleep from the usual $9x+ to $71.99
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002SMJQT4/ref=ox_sc_sfl_image_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

No idea how long the price drop will last as I haven't seen it for under $90 since I learned about it on this thread. I have the portable travel model, which is great. The travel version doesn't get very loud, but enough to do the job when it's beside the bed. I love sleeping while it's raining and the rainstorm setting on this is one of the most realistic I'v heard. The travel versions ability to run off micro USB or even batteries is a plus for travelers.

A couple of times when I've woken up, I didn't realize it was actually raining till I turned the machine off and the noise continued. I'm a very light sleeper so I need some kind of background white noise (usually a fan or a/c) on, otherwise every little sound will wake me up.

These puppies do the trick masking more noise than a fan does due to the variation in the sound when set to the highest Effects level (eg. the lowest level for the rain setting is just rain, higher settings include changes in the intensity of the rain, wind buffeting and even the rumble of thunder). Sort of accustomizes my sleeping ears to random noises, though some noises will still wake me up.


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Just a heads up for folks here, Amazon's dropped the price on the full size Ecotones Sound+Sleep from the usual $9x+ to $71.99
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002SMJQT4/ref=ox_sc_sfl_image_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

No idea how long the price drop will last as I haven't seen it for under $90 since I learned about it on this thread. I have the portable travel model, which is great. The travel version doesn't get very loud, but enough to do the job when it's beside the bed. I love sleeping while it's raining and the rainstorm setting on this is one of the most realistic I'v heard. The travel versions ability to run off micro USB or even batteries is a plus for travelers.

A couple of times when I've woken up, I didn't realize it was actually raining till I turned the machine off and the noise continued. I'm a very light sleeper so I need some kind of background white noise (usually a fan or a/c) on, otherwise every little sound will wake me up.

These puppies do the trick masking more noise than a fan does due to the variation in the sound when set to the highest Effects level (eg. the lowest level for the rain setting is just rain, higher settings include changes in the intensity of the rain, wind buffeting and even the rumble of thunder). Sort of accustomizes my sleeping ears to random noises, though some noises will still wake me up.


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Yes indeed that is a nice machine. In fact probably one of the best out there. I agree the rain mode is soothing and like you I have woken up thinking it was really raining outside. It is really that realistic.
I also enjoy the fireplace mode from time to time but I mainly keep it on rain mode.

Thanks for sharing!

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I made a sound awhile ago that sort of served the same purpose, it's a 75 minute sound called White Noise Sculpture, you can stream or download it here. It is just a white noise which continuously but gradually changes and never repeats itself. I made it from a bunch of different white noise generators and modulators from various sources. What is interesting to me is even though all the sound is one hundred percent electronically generated, many passages end up sounding like real world noises such as distant traffic, ocean surf, rainfall, industrial machinery, wind blowing through trees, radio static, etc. There is something basic and elemental about white noise that a lot of people find relaxing, maybe it is primal somehow, but I don't know what the explanation is.
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It is interesting how we look for external noise like machines but yet we can't tolerate our own tinnitus.
Makes no sense.
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It is interesting how we look for external noise like machines but yet we can't tolerate our own tinnitus.
Makes no sense.

Distraction and focus is why it works ... perfectly sense

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Hate to resurrect an old thread, but I've noticed that vitamin deficiencies caused a lot of my tinnitus... I read this article the other day, it it talks about a lot of the stuff I take now that helps me out tremendously... http://www.betternutrition.com/natur...dies-tinnitus/

Also, if you're over 40 go to a4m.com, find a doctor in your area, and have you're testosterone checked... Be careful what doctor you listen to on testosterone, many do not study it and have no clue... They give really bad advice...
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Hate to resurrect an old thread, but I've noticed that vitamin deficiencies caused a lot of my tinnitus... I read this article the other day, it it talks about a lot of the stuff I take now that helps me out tremendously... http://www.betternutrition.com/natur...dies-tinnitus/

Also, if you're over 40 go to a4m.com, find a doctor in your area, and have you're testosterone checked... Be careful what doctor you listen to on testosterone, many do not study it and have no clue... They give really bad advice...
I was wondering about melatonin the other day. I may give it a try. I do notice a change in my tinnitus from day to day that seems related to sleep cycle and sleep quality. I do question the article though. A lot of studies have shown ginko to be worthless in tinnitus treatment. There is also no mention of zinc for which there is a clinical trial on going. I tend to think anything that helps you well being will help you cope with tinnitus better. If you are ill feeling, tinnitus will just seem worse to you, so in that regard supplements can help. But the sleep thing has had me intrigued for a while now.

I didn't know this thread was still active. I posted a long history of mine a while back. I'll post an update soon. It's still there, but maybe improved.

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My tinnitus is really bad (hence my user name).

Sometimes it wakes me up because it sounds like an alarm clock going off!

I also have just plain damage from years of playing guitar. I hear a crackling when I experience a sudden loud sound. This REALLY sucks since I've got 2 dozen vintage guitars and 2 dozen vintage Fender amps that I really can't tolerate being in the same room with. I can't even stand having someone sitting on my right side and talking. I wear earplugs in restaurants.


I think this was the final blow:

Blue Man Group - Audio (a 5.1 channel assault on your ears).

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00005...ref=mp_s_a_1_6

But it could have been (no link for obvious reasons):

Some idiot posted a hearing test on YouTube, starting from the high frequencies and then going down. And yeah, I should have known better.


I tried:

DSE Healthcare Solutions - LipoFlavonoid Plus Extra Strength Unique Ear Health Formula

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000NP...=SS115&simLd=1

Even four bottles didn't help.


My ENT doctor suggested this:

Arches Tinnitus Formula

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00134...=SY115&simLd=1


But one reviewer preferred this:

Tinnitivix - Effective Natural Tinnitus treatment

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00HKF...=SY115&simLd=1

I think I'll try this last one. Please let us know if anybody has any luck with any supplements, and get the word out if you do. And of course, take care of your hearing!

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Some of those supplements can help folks who have deficiencies in them from a lack in their normal diets. The problem though, is that there are SO many potential causes for tinnitus that these things may or may not help an individual (and that's not even taking the placebo effect into consideration).

If the cause of the tinnitus is actual hearing damage though, there really isn't anything that helps other than time and accustomization (i.e. you get used to it and learn to ignore it most of the time, except when you think about it, like I am now).

Yes, it's a good idea to spread the word about the potential for permanent hearing damage to those who haven't suffered any yet. Once you do folks, it doesn't heal.


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Last night I was awaken by a very loud ringing sound in my ears, mainly my left. It lasted about an hour and honestly scared the sh*t out of me. During that hour I was seriously thinking about selling my Captivator that I've owned since May.

Here is some background. I first noticed my tinnitus when I was 27 years old (I'm now almost 38) back when I had a JL Audio subwoofer in my car and would crank the music pretty loud (with overblown bass of course) on my daily 30 minute one way commute to work. It scared me enough to never crank my car stereo to that level again, in fact I don't even have a sub in my car now.

The level of the ringing has stayed pretty consistent since it first started over 10 years ago. I sleep with a recorded fan noise playing in the bedroom stereo at a low volume and also have the same recorded fan noise playing through a speaker designed to be placed under the pillow to mask the ringing while the head is sideways with the ear on the pillow. I've done this for the past 10 years and it has worked fine, and my tinnitus has not gotten any worse (or any better) until last night. The ringing was at least 10 times louder and it wasn't the type of ringing after a concert. After a concert your hearing is a bit muffled but last night my hearing was crystal clear which made the ringing that much more pronounced and obvious.

Since I bought the Captivator I have been listening to a lot of music, which has always been one of my favorite things to do. I'm a teacher on summer break so almost every night I'm listening for around 2 hours on average after everyone else is in bed. Last summer when I didn't have the Captivator it was more like 30 minutes and often times not at all.

I have a radio shack meter and I usually have the volume at 80-82, but there are breif parts of songs that I'll crank to 90 or sometimes higher. Overall though I don't like to go above 85db. Although there have been moments that I've gone as high as 116db on bass heavy music.

As far as movies go, I'll watch a bass heavy type movie maybe once or twice a month at around 15 under reference with the bass anywhere from 3-6 hot.

I really love to listen to music on my system, so it's depressing to think that I may have to stop. For the time being I think I will NEVER go above 85db when listening to music and back the average level down to between 75 and 80. Even with that I'm going to take at least a few days before I turn the Captivator on again.

Also, I had been under the impression that low frequencies don't do the same kind of damage that higher frequencies cause, which always made sense to me (and it was a nice justification for how I run the sub hot) since bass doesn't seem to hurt your ears much. (wow, while typing this my left ear just cranked up some ringing like last night... I had to stop typing and I waited for about 30 seconds and it slowly faded away - man, it's impossible to think or focus on anything but the ringing while it is happening). After doing some reading today it appears that is not the case. SPL level is all that matters when it comes to hearing damage, the frequency is irrelevant.

This may be the wrong place to post this kind of thing, and I'm not preaching to anyone to turn the volume down. I'm just curious if any of you guys have experienced anything similar and to be honest I'm scared by what happened last night (and just now!). If that level of ringing were to become permanent.... well it's easy to understand why tinnitus can cause major depression issues and even suicidal thoughts etc. Sorry if I'm bringing anyone down, I'm a bass-head so I understand if some on this forum don't want to read a thread like this.
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