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They have identical specifications, and use what looks to be the same amp. The drivers might be slightly different but I would wager they are pretty much the same. Also they have the same dimensions and weight.
Looks like a side port instead of a rear port.
Could be a whole different beast for that reason alone.
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Looks like a side port instead of a rear port.
Could be a whole different beast for that reason alone.

In the image on BIC America's site, it shows a rear port just like the F-12, that is strange.

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In the image on BIC America's site, it shows a rear port just like the F-12, that is strange.

Interesting. Maybe they switched to using the same enclosure for economies of scale? Or because Dr. Hsu's design for the F12 worked well for that driver, too smile.gif

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^^ Yes, it's strange that BIC advertises the RTR as a side-mounted port, yet that picture shows it identical to the F12. BIC mentions in their writeups that Hsu Research helped them on their design of the H-100, but I suspect BIC made adjustments to their other lines based upon Dr. Hsu's help. Both BIC and Hsu Research are in Anaheim and in the same business park, so it makes sense.
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http://www.bicamerica.com/showpage.php?brand=3&type=3&spkrID=119

The link on the bicamerica site above shows the same picture as Amazon for the RtR in question.
Where did you get the picture with the rear port?
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Just my luck... even though the RTR-EV1200 is Prime eligible, Amazon still won't ship it to my location. However, they do ship the more expensive PL-200. rolleyes.gif
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http://www.bicamerica.com/showpage.php?brand=3&type=3&spkrID=119

The link on the bicamerica site above shows the same picture as Amazon for the RtR in question.
Where did you get the picture with the rear port?

Click on the picture on the BIC website.

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My av123 MFW-15 sub just finally died, does anyone have any experience with this sub and how it would compare to say a Dayton sub-1200 or 1500? I use it for 90% movies and was pretty happy with the MFW-15 in that regard.
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My av123 MFW-15 sub just finally died, does anyone have any experience with this sub and how it would compare to say a Dayton sub-1200 or 1500? I use it for 90% movies and was pretty happy with the MFW-15 in that regard.
Have you considered the Turbo upgrade? You get a new driver and amp, but get to keep your existing cabinet. I upgraded one myself and it's really quite easy.

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Have you considered the Turbo upgrade? You get a new driver and amp, but get to keep your existing cabinet. I upgraded one myself and it's really quite easy.
I considered it briefly but if I remember correctly, they were pretty pricey (at least when compared to $120-$200 for a Dayton 1200 or 1500) and not being the most handy person, if the performance of the Dayton's are pretty good or close to what I had with the MFW-15 then I would probably go with a Dayton.
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I considered it briefly but if I remember correctly, they were pretty pricey (at least when compared to $120-$200 for a Dayton 1200 or 1500) and not being the most handy person, if the performance of the Dayton's are pretty good or close to what I had with the MFW-15 then I would probably go with a Dayton.
Unfortunately I didn't get to hear the original MFW, so I can't really comment on it. Mark Seaton gave me the one I have now for a review, with the concept being I would perform the upgrade and then write about the new unit. IIRC the kit is around $850, so certainly quite a bit more then the Dayton's are, but what you end up with is quite a bit more subwoofer as well.

If you opt to go the Dayton route I'd skip the SUB-1200; seeing as how you already had a 15" subwoofer anything smaller would probably be unsatisfactory.

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Can anyone comment on the NXG NX-PROSUB300 12" 300-watt sub? I know it's a discontinued model, but I have $40 in rewards cash that expires in 2 days on Rakuten.com, and I'm thinking about getting it. It's a refurb/open-box, but for $120 and free ship -- before I apply my discount cash -- it seems like worth a shot.

Searching on AVS didn't turn up a lot. One guy seemed really happy with his (maybe too happy). I think Jim was about to review it at one point, but then the replacement (NXG NX-BAS-500) came out.
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Can anyone comment on the NXG NX-PROSUB300 12" 300-watt sub? I know it's a discontinued model, but I have $40 in rewards cash that expires in 2 days on Rakuten.com, and I'm thinking about getting it. It's a refurb/open-box, but for $120 and free ship -- before I apply my discount cash -- it seems like worth a shot.

Searching on AVS didn't turn up a lot. One guy seemed really happy with his (maybe too happy). I think Jim was about to review it at one point, but then the replacement (NXG NX-BAS-500) came out.
You have a heckuva memory; I was indeed going to review the PROSUB300 at one point, but it was being discontinued during the time I was having discussions with NXG so we opted not to. That is what ultimately led to the NX-BAS-500 review about a year later.

$80 is barely a decent dinner for two any more, so it's hard to see how you could go wrong (depending upon its condition of course). Your intended usage and room size could be mitigating factors though.

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Thanks, Jim. I did remember that nugget from 3-4 months back when I originally read through this thread and a few others when researching a replacement for my "vintage" 16-year old Polk. It's been a good soldier and has done quite well, but it just doesn't hit much below 35Hz I'm coming to realize. I was on the fence a few years back when the Klipsch RD-12 was on clearance -- but I talked myself out of it. Regret that decision. Then settled on targeting the NXG BAS-500, but it's been out of stock the last several months. I just saw last week that it's now available again, but wouldn't you know -- the refrigerator died. Priorities, I guess.

Went ahead and rolled the dice on the refurb sub. Used another bonus coupon to get another $12 in bonus cash back ... so it's more like $68.

I don't crank the theater (usually listen mid -30dbs, don't think I've ever gone higher than -24db). I'll see whether it gives me what I think I'm missing at this point. I'll report back my experiences so it may benefit anyone else interested in grabbing one before they're gone.
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For $68 you've already won, so it's all good from here.

Definitely post your opinions after you've had some time to get it adjusted. I'm not sure how many people will be in a position to get one of those subs going forward, but the more people who post their impressions of products the better it is.

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Is the PyleHome PDSB15A any good?
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Is the PyleHome PDSB15A any good?
That one is actually on my list of future review candidates, but I haven't even contacted Pyle yet so it's not imminent.

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Heya Jim! Is the Class H amp considered good on the that Pyle 15 inch?

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Heya Jim! Is the Class H amp considered good on the that Pyle 15 inch?
Good catch Joe, I never even noticed that! Class H are hybrids, like BASH and ICEpower amps. Rythmik's 600 watt amps are Class H. Considering the PDSB15A sells for the low $200's that is pretty impressive (unless it infers they spent all their R&D dollars on the amp, which left them with almost nothing for the driver and enclosure). I might bump that one up on the priority list now.

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Hey, Jim, now that you've reviewed the Bic H-100, where do you think it stands among the Dayton 1200 and the NXG? From your review it doesn't seem like it's worth double the price of the Dayton, but probably has an edge in sound quality? How about compared to the NXG?
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Hey, Jim, now that you've reviewed the Bic H-100, where do you think it stands among the Dayton 1200 and the NXG? From your review it doesn't seem like it's worth double the price of the Dayton, but probably has an edge in sound quality? How about compared to the NXG?

Somehow I knew this question was going to be asked sooner or later...

My general assessment is that BIC's target audience with the H-100II is a bit different then the people Dayton is trying to reach with the SUB-1200. The Dayton is an amazing value, capable of things no $120 subwoofer should be able to do, but the H-100II is the better subwoofer. The SUB-1200 struck me as being more pronounced in the mid-bass, so a lot of special effects tend to come across as more authoritative, but the H-100II holds it's composure to a greater degree and renders the same effects more distinctly. That is my personal preference, so it suited my tastes better.

The BIC vs. the NXG is a tougher call to make. In some respects the NXG is almost like a combination of the BIC and Dayton, by which I mean it had a pretty rich sounding mid bass and composure. Total clean (key word) output is close, but the BIC would probably edge out the NXG. Dynamics and transient response would favor the NXG, but not by much. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so I won't even weigh in on that topic.

Forced to rank them -- something I know for sure I'll be asked to do -- it would probably go NXG, BIC, Dayton. The first two might be 1a and 1b however, instead of 1 and 2, but the NXG noses out the BIC. For me anyway. YMMV.
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Somehow I knew this question was going to be asked sooner or later...

My general assessment is that BIC's target audience with the H-100II is a bit different then the people Dayton is trying to reach with the SUB-1200. The Dayton is an amazing value, capable of things no $120 subwoofer should be able to do, but the H-100II is the better subwoofer. The SUB-1200 struck me as being more pronounced in the mid-bass, so a lot of special effects tend to come across as more authoritative, but the H-100II holds it's composure to a greater degree and renders the same effects more distinctly. That is my personal preference, so it suited my tastes better.

The BIC vs. the NXG is a tougher call to make. In some respects the NXG is almost like a combination of the BIC and Dayton, by which I mean it had a pretty rich sounding mid bass and composure. Total clean (key word) output is close, but the BIC would probably edge out the NXG. Dynamics and transient response would favor the NXG, but not by much. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so I won't even weigh in on that topic.

Forced to rank them -- something I know for sure I'll be asked to do -- it would probably go NXG, BIC, Dayton. The first two might be 1a and 1b however, instead of 1 and 2, but the NXG noses out the BIC. For me anyway. YMMV.
Thanks! You noted quite a bit of heat from the BASH amp on the Bic. Is that a worry? I have a Hsu VTF-2.4 and an STF-1, both using BASH amps, and have never felt much heat at all from either of them.
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This all suggests that the PL-200 might be the better of all of them for under $300, unless the H-100II is some dramatic improvement over the H100.

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Thanks! You noted quite a bit of heat from the BASH amp on the Bic. Is that a worry? I have a Hsu VTF-2.4 and an STF-1, both using BASH amps, and have never felt much heat at all from either of them.
I don't recall reading anything about H-100II's having a high failure rate, so it may not be a big concern. I'm not sure of the unit volume BIC is selling but I imagine it's not a large number - especially relative to the F12 - so if there is an issue it could potentially fly under the radar due to that. I didn't detect any audible compression, even at it's warmest, which is a good thing.

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