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I haven't had the opportunity to hear an Omni 12 -- the only Energy subwoofer I've ever heard was the S10.3 -- so I can't directly comment on it from experience. Judging by what I know of the LV12R though I suspect the Omni won't be able to keep up with it. About the only way that combo might work together is if the Energy was near-field. I would also imagine the Rythmik has an audible advantage, sound quality wise, so balancing them might prove challenging.
Thanks jim. I cant place it nearfield because of my room layout.

According to specs omni 12 also same with rythmik with 300 watts?http://www.hometheatersound.com/equipment/mirage_omni_s12.htm
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Thanks jim. I cant place it nearfield because of my room layout.

According to specs omni 12 also same with rythmik with 300 watts?http://www.hometheatersound.com/equi...e_omni_s12.htm
To be honest I think the wattage of a subwoofers amp is a spec given more significance than it really should have, so be careful of using that as a yardstick. There are so many other aspects that need to be factored in. Taking the amp's rated wattage in isolation is potentially going to create an inaccurate assessment of what the package - as a whole - is truly capable of.

The Omni 12 is probably a 10 year old design, which in this case might not necessarily be a bad thing. At that time Energy was still doing some good work, so it may be one of their better designs. However, being a current owner of an LV12R means you can certainly attest to what that one is capable of, and my gut tells me the Omni won't be competitive. Not having heard one myself means my opinion is more conjecture then anything, so bear that in mind. Given your situation I suspect you'll find out shortly though.
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To be honest I think the wattage of a subwoofers amp is a spec given more significance than it really should have, so be careful of using that as a yardstick. There are so many other aspects that need to be factored in. Taking the amp's rated wattage in isolation is potentially going to create an inaccurate assessment of what the package - as a whole - is truly capable of.

The Omni 12 is probably a 10 year old design, which in this case might not necessarily be a bad thing. At that time Energy was still doing some good work, so it may be one of their better designs. However, being a current owner of an LV12R means you can certainly attest to what that one is capable of, and my gut tells me the Omni won't be competitive. Not having heard one myself means my opinion is more conjecture then anything, so bear that in mind. Given your situation I suspect you'll find out shortly though.
thanks a lot Jim. i just purchased the SPL meter so that i can measure each subs to 75db before running audyssey maybe that would also help balancing the output. i dont have the REW equipments and everything. so i will just find out, when i have a chance when i get home. hopefully omni 12 will be okay to pair with my Lv12R.

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just want to ask you, have you tried to measure the Mirage Omni 12 subwoofer before? i just purchased one, to pair it with my LV12R. do you think my LV12R will overpower the Mirage Omni 12 sub? thanks.
The Omni 12 is the Mirage version of the Energy S12.3. It was measured by Tom Nousaine (a well known professional reviewer) to have a 110db 25hz to 62hz average, with a 105.7db average at 25hz. Sort of falls of rapidly in output below that. Best guess is that it should have no problem keeping up with the LV12R in the 25 hz and up range. But that's just a guess since I don't think we have any professional measurements of the LV12R's output. Could be the S12.3 will have more SPL.
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The Omni 12 is the Mirage version of the Energy S12.3. It was measured by Tom Nousaine (a well known professional reviewer) to have a 110db 25hz to 62hz average, with a 105.7db average at 25hz. Sort of falls of rapidly in output below that. Best guess is that it should have no problem keeping up with the LV12R in the 25 hz and up range. But that's just a guess since I don't think we have any professional measurements of the LV12R's output. Could be the S12.3 will have more SPL.
thanks cel, that would give me some of a relief, if the omni 12 will be okay to pair with my lv12r, because if not, i will just returned it. maybe when i receive my SPL meter i will run both of them and watch some bass movies, and figure it out if the pairing will be okay. hopefully yes. thanks again cel.

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Anyone interested in a bic h100? Can ship but would prefer to have it picked up in tacoma, Washington. asking 120. Can't do much better under 300.
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Anyone interested in a bic h100? Can ship but would prefer to have it picked up in tacoma, Washington. asking 120. Can't do much better under 300.

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Quick question for you guys... I have a Klipsch RW12D that stopped working. Won't power up and just pops the external fuse instantly when replaced. Klipsch wants $256 for a new back panel but referred me to an electronic repair firm who says it's very rare that it's not fixable and wants $120 +S&H for flat rate repair.

Not looking for someone to decide definitively what I should do, or give repair advice - I'm trying to calibrate or get opinions on how the Klipsch sizes up against some of popular choices around here, namely the NXG-500, a few of the BIC's, the Dayton's etc. I tend to hate having a disposable mentality but it has to makes sense to fix a 5+ year old sub vs buying one that might be better. A pair of Daytons or a NXG that I can have in a few days for around $250 is awful tempting vs what will likely be 2-3 weeks of total turnaround. Thanks.
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Quick question for you guys... I have a Klipsch RW12D that stopped working. Won't power up and just pops the external fuse instantly when replaced. Klipsch wants $256 for a new back panel but referred me to an electronic repair firm who says it's very rare that it's not fixable and wants $120 +S&H for flat rate repair.

Not looking for someone to decide definitively what I should do, or give repair advice - I'm trying to calibrate or get opinions on how the Klipsch sizes up against some of popular choices around here, namely the NXG-500, a few of the BIC's, the Dayton's etc. I tend to hate having a disposable mentality but it has to makes sense to fix a 5+ year old sub vs buying one that might be better. A pair of Daytons or a NXG that I can have in a few days for around $250 is awful tempting vs what will likely be 2-3 weeks of total turnaround. Thanks.
The RW-12D was THE $300 subwoofer king. Good output down to the low 20s, and was fantastic for the $279-$299 price tag. If they can indeed fix it for $120, then I think that is a worthwhile option. Make sure you aren't still under warranty first.

I think in order to get something better than the Klipsch, you need to step up to the SVS PB-1000 ($499), however you might lose a bit of output above 40Hz. The Rythmik LV12R ($599) would be a clear upgrade in all ways in my opinion.

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Quick question for you guys... I have a Klipsch RW12D that stopped working. Won't power up and just pops the external fuse instantly when replaced. Klipsch wants $256 for a new back panel but referred me to an electronic repair firm who says it's very rare that it's not fixable and wants $120 +S&H for flat rate repair.

Not looking for someone to decide definitively what I should do, or give repair advice - I'm trying to calibrate or get opinions on how the Klipsch sizes up against some of popular choices around here, namely the NXG-500, a few of the BIC's, the Dayton's etc. I tend to hate having a disposable mentality but it has to makes sense to fix a 5+ year old sub vs buying one that might be better. A pair of Daytons or a NXG that I can have in a few days for around $250 is awful tempting vs what will likely be 2-3 weeks of total turnaround. Thanks.
The S&H will kill you. Probably more than the $120 repair charge. Junk it or figure out whats wrong and fix it yourself.
Otherwise the BAS-500 would be comparable.
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The RW-12D was THE $300 subwoofer king. Good output down to the low 20s, and was fantastic for the $279-$299 price tag. If they can indeed fix it for $120, then I think that is a worthwhile option. Make sure you aren't still under warranty first.

I think in order to get something better than the Klipsch, you need to step up to the SVS PB-1000 ($499), however you might lose a bit of output above 40Hz. The Rythmik LV12R ($599) would be a clear upgrade in all ways in my opinion.

Thanks. I seem to recall it being a bit more than $300 back in the day! It's been at least 6-7 years so I think I'm out of luck in terms of warranty. I'll take a look at your suggestions.


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The S&H will kill you. Probably more than the $120 repair charge. Junk it or figure out whats wrong and fix it yourself.
Otherwise the BAS-500 would be comparable.

Agreed. I wouldn't even consider trying to box and ship the whole sub. The repair place strongly suggested that I just remove the back plate and just send it in alone so I would expect shipping would be relatively modest.
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Consider a plate amp replacement from someplace like Parts Express. Worked for me.

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Consider a plate amp replacement from someplace like Parts Express. Worked for me.
+1 Assuming the amp is bad.
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+1 Assuming the amp is bad.
That's kind of what makes it tough to just send the existing plate out. I can test the speaker, at least functionally, but all the sub controls are on a display pad on the front of the sub. If that's bad when I get the amp back I'm SOL.

Looked on Parts Express and the amps that sound like they have enough power start in the range 140-$170 and go up from there. All would require at least minor trimming or mounting on a plate. My cutout is odd, something like 6.75 x 9.75".

I'll probably just order something and make the Klipsch an excuse to break out the soldering iron and learn something new!
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Agreed, bust it open and try to fix it. I love my dual 12ds. Whats the worst that can happen? You break it worse. Best cause, its a free fix. Good luck.
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Subs from Seismic Audio. Seismic always have a 10% discount code on site and with free shipping. All are under $300 with discount.
Thank you for the links. Unfortunately the intent of this thread is for subwoofers used in HT and 2 channel audio, so I haven't included any pro gear.

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If not already posted just an FYI on the Bic Acoustech PL-200 subwoofer's weight spec. I recently purchased it from Acoustic Sound Design for $259. shipped, decent price and their best offer. It's weight on their website and BIC's is listed as 52 lbs (shipping weight?) but it's actually 36 lbs (42 lbs shipping weight). Did BIC put this speaker on a diet, or is it's weight listed incorrectly? Spoke to a ASC CSR after I noticed the tracking weight who assured me that they had sent me the PL-200. I emailed BIC to clarify this.
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If not already posted just an FYI on the Bic Acoustech PL-200 subwoofer's weight spec. I recently purchased it from Acoustic Sound Design for $259. shipped, decent price and their best offer. It's weight on their website and BIC's is listed as 52 lbs (shipping weight?) but it's actually 36 lbs (42 lbs shipping weight). Did BIC put this speaker on a diet, or is it's weight listed incorrectly? Spoke to a ASC CSR after I noticed the tracking weight who assured me that they had sent me the PL-200. I emailed BIC to clarify this.
I would trust the manufacturers website, there could be an error with the quoted shipping weight. My F-12 weighs a good 40lbs, so I would wager the PL-200 is definitely north of 50.

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Hiya Jim! Did you get the Pyle 15' yet? I'm itching for the review.

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I would trust the manufacturers website, there could be an error with the quoted shipping weight. My F-12 weighs a good 40lbs, so I would wager the PL-200 is definitely north of 50.
I received the speaker yesterday. It weighs according to my shipping scale, 36.0 lbs. The UPS tracking weight was 42 lbs, which included the box and packing. Are you guessing that your F-12 weighs ~40 lbs or did you accurately weigh it? The F-12 is listed on BIC's website as weighing 42 lbs, and that may be correct. I''ll post back BIC's reply to my email inquiry about the PL-200's weight.
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I received the speaker yesterday. It weighs according to my shipping scale, 36.0 lbs. The UPS tracking weight was 42 lbs, which included the box and packing. Are you guessing that your F-12 weighs ~40 lbs or did you accurately weigh it? The F-12 is listed on BIC's website as weighing 42 lbs, and that may be correct. I''ll post back BIC's reply to my email inquiry about the PL-200's weight.
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Make sure they didn't send you the H-100 by mistake.
Connected it to my Denon A/V receiver this morning, ran the Audyssey setup, and it sounds fine.

It's definitely a PL-200, and on the manual cover it states that the SHIPPING weight is 52 lbs. Let's wait and see what BIC has to say about this.







How about accurately weighing your F-12 and see what you get. It's listed as 42 lbs shipping weight, so I'm guessing it's actual weight is about the same as the PL-200 or less.

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That is strange, I can't imagine it weighing less than an F-12, and I have not measured mine but it is about the same weight as my Velodyne which has a 44lb shipping weight.

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That is strange, I can't imagine it weighing less than an F-12, and I have not measured mine but it is about the same weight as my Velodyne which has a 44lb shipping weight.
BIC just got back to me.

I just checked with our warehouse and the weight of the full boxed PL-200 subwoofer is 42 lbs. We must have our listing incorrect in our website. I apologize for the mistake.
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Hiya Jim! Did you get the Pyle 15' yet? I'm itching for the review.
You're a PITA Joe, you know that?

I haven't even contacted them yet, but the only other sub I have is the XS15se I'm listening to now. After that I have nothing sitting here, which is the first time that's happened in the 3 years I've been doing this. Maybe I'll reach out to Pyle this weekend.
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About to put together my first stereo system and was wondering what you guys thought about the JBL es150 . http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES150PBK-3...rds=jbl+es150p


Main use will be listening to music and some light gaming

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any info would be great. seems like this JBL is a solid deal on amazon right now fopr 149$ just making sure this thing is not junk

Budget is around 200. is there somthing that is going to sound better for with my hardware for the money?

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About to put together my first stereo system and was wondering what you guys thought about the JBL es150 . http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES150PBK-3...rds=jbl+es150p


Main use will be listening to music and some light gaming

Speakers are JBL 180. http://www.amazon.com/JBL-Studio-180...ywords=JBL+180

Receiver is. http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-X100...ds=denon+x1000



any info would be great. seems like this JBL is a solid deal on amazon right now fopr 149$ just making sure this thing is not junk

Budget is around 200. is there somthing that is going to sound better for with my hardware for the money?
How big is the room it's in?
Is the sub placement near field?
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