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post #1441 of 1507 Old 04-26-2015, 08:21 PM
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lol...You buying the sub has absolutely nothing to do with the price going up or not buying making the price go down. Amazon price matched frys.com on this. Actually, frys.com has this sub for $229 again starting today, so Amazon has again price matched. Actually, frys.com has the sub right now for $199 with a $30.99 coupon code. They email code deals on many items nearly everyday.
Yeah.

It's hard to tell what these "price bots" are up to.

e.g:

Fry's is selling a pair of Klipsch Synergy B-20 bookshelf speakers for USD ~280, while the Amazon price of the same fluctuates around USD ~175 delivered:

http://www.frys.com/product/7580966

http://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-Synerg.../dp/B003XRD9UA

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Yeah.

It's hard to tell what these "price bots" are up to.

e.g:

Fry's is selling a pair of Klipsch Synergy B-20 bookshelf speakers for USD ~280, while the Amazon price of the same fluctuates around USD ~175 delivered:

http://www.frys.com/product/7580966

http://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-Synerg.../dp/B003XRD9UA
$175 wouldn't be too bad.
I got a pair of Klipsch KB15, which is the same speaker, at Best Buy on close out for $99. That was a good deal.
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hyosafi, if you get on their email list they will send you deals and codes pretty much every day it seems. I already have the Klipsch sub-12 and can vouch for it being excellent for under $200. I'm not using my code, so I'll PM you and you can have it.
Dude, I'd reply to your PM but it won't let me. Thanks a lot for the code, it worked great in store. Got the sub for $199 (plus tax). Appreciate it.
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$175 wouldn't be too bad.
I got a pair of Klipsch KB15, which is the same speaker, at Best Buy on close out for $99. That was a good deal.

Not to get off topic, but:

I noticed that the KB-15's feature a lower (- ~1/3 octave) crossover point, and a higher (+ 1.5 dB) sensitivity rating than those of the B-20's.

Is this an indication of different drivers, or just of a modified crossover?

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Not to get off topic, but:

I noticed that the KB-15's feature a lower (- ~1/3 octave) crossover point, and a higher (+ 1.5 dB) sensitivity rating than those of the B-20's.

Is this an indication of different drivers, or just of a modified crossover?

http://www.klipsch.com/kb-15-bookshe...s-pair/details

http://www.klipsch.com/b-20-bookshel...s-pair/details
The Synergy Series is supposed to have an "improved" crossover. I have A/B ed them and couldn't tell any difference.
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Dude, I'd reply to your PM but it won't let me. Thanks a lot for the code, it worked great in store. Got the sub for $199 (plus tax). Appreciate it.
No problem. Hope you enjoy the sub-12, which is a pretty bad ass sub for $200. If you get on frys.com's mailing list, they have discount codes what seems like every day for certain items.
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If I look at the specs, the PSW505 is pretty similar and even exceeds the Klipsch sub-12 in some respects.

Don't mean to start any kind of war or suggest anything. I'm just curious if they're really pretty much equivalent or why people like one over the other. I've got a PSW505 in the Family room and also one in the game room. I built my own in my theater room.

REALLY, just interested given the very similar price and specs.
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No problem. Hope you enjoy the sub-12, which is a pretty bad ass sub for $200. If you get on frys.com's mailing list, they have discount codes what seems like every day for certain items.
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Anyone pricing a BIC F12 should also price a NXG NS-BAS-500m ,which I've heard is superb for the price ... in US$. YMMV. Just saying....


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The Klipsch Sub-12HG I bought recently is great! Not too big, even though my wife thinks it's too big, and today my wife said "the sub is making the room shake". Seems to barely pass the WAF for the living room. Love it.
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The Klipsch Sub-12HG I bought recently is great! Not too big, even though my wife thinks it's too big, and today my wife said "the sub is making the room shake". Seems to barely pass the WAF for the living room. Love it.
It's a super sub for under $200. It is fairly large, but that's part of what makes it sound so good. I've always been partial to down-firing subs and this one doesn't disappoint.

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Putting together a low budget theater, already have polk monitor 65t pair and a 15c center channel... I know they are kind of crappy but cash is tight. Ive ordered a onkyo 787, 4 polk RC55i for surrounds and 2 polk RC60i for the atmos above. I plan to put the LCR and sub behind an AT screen so compact is good.


I have a psw10 I got a year or so ago with the monitor 65t's but guessing that's rubbish? would adding a decent-ish sub for about $300 help this low budget setup? any suggestions?


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oh I don't usually have subs loud but during the batman trailer it was kind of awesome to feel my seat move from the bass

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Putting together a low budget theater, already have polk monitor 65t pair and a 15c center channel... I know they are kind of crappy but cash is tight. Ive ordered a onkyo 787, 4 polk RC55i for surrounds and 2 polk RC60i for the atmos above. I plan to put the LCR and sub behind an AT screen so compact is good.


I have a psw10 I got a year or so ago with the monitor 65t's but guessing that's rubbish? would adding a decent-ish sub for about $300 help this low budget setup? any suggestions?


thank you in advance!


oh I don't usually have subs loud but during the batman trailer it was kind of awesome to feel my seat move from the bass
Get a NXG NS-BAS-500 and enjoy
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I have a psw10 I got a year or so ago with the monitor 65t's but guessing that's rubbish? would adding a decent-ish sub for about $300 help this low budget setup? any suggestions?

What size in your room (HxWxD)? That's a key piece of information when making a decision like this.

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I've always been partial to down-firing subs and this one doesn't disappoint.
why? Low frequencies are omni directional. Which way the driver fires is irrelevant. The only benefit from a down firing sub is so your kids dont damage your drivers.
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why? Low frequencies are omni directional. Which way the driver fires is irrelevant. The only benefit from a down firing sub is so your kids dont damage your drivers.
You are absolutely incorrect. A front firing sub will react differently with room boundaries depending on the orientation of the driver.
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You are absolutely incorrect. A front firing sub will react differently with room boundaries depending on the orientation of the driver.
So science is wrong?
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So science is wrong?
Not if you are listening to your sub in an open field.

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Not if you are listening to your sub in an open field.
Well, someone needs to tell these industry giants then...

This is a post from another forum by a well respected poster who has quotes from some heavy hitters in the industry of subwoofers:




A subwoofer's performance depends on many factors:
  1. Size and construction of the enclosure.
  2. Design, number, and size of the ports.
  3. Quality of the amplifier as well as its true power rating.
  4. Quality and size of the driver.
  5. Dampening material such as polyfill.
  6. The placement in the room with respect to your listening area.
As a general rule, down-firing or front-firing subwoofers do not matter. The placement in the room is by far the most important factor. Normally, subwoofers play loud in a corner or against the walls. The worst position for a sub is in the middle of the room. There are scientific reasons for these.

For the same reason, if you sit against the wall, the bass sound will be too loud and boomy and will make you tired. If you sit exactly in the middle of the room. You can hardly hear any bass. That is the main reason people use two subwoofers so that they get a more even and smoother bass sound across the room.

If you have wood floor or tiles, it is a good idea to put an area rug under the sub. A rug makes the sub more stable and will absorb any noises coming out of the port.

If you have children or pets, buy a down-firing subwoofer. If you don't have children or pets and enjoy looking at a woofer, buy a front-firing subwoofer. In general, the quality of the bass sound is not affected by the driver's orientation.

This is a quote from Sunfire, a manufacturer of high-end subwoofers:
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The woofer cone can be mounted one of two ways. The first way is called, down firing and the second is called front firing. Subwoofer cones that are down firing are typically on the bottom of the subwoofer cabinet. When they are front firing they are on the side of the cabinet. One of these is not necessarily better then the other. It's just a matter of design and your own personal taste.
Here is what Dr. Poh Hsu of Hsu Research said in an interview by GoodSound:
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SE: I've noted that many subwoofers with good reputations for music applications use down-firing rather than front-firing drivers. Is this just coincidence or does it reflect a particular design philosophy?

PH: I feel that's just a coincidence. In the case of the VTF-2, the down-firing design was chosen to save money. A down-firing woofer doesn't need a grill to protect it. The upcoming VTF-3 will have a forward-firing woofer because the box is larger. We feel it would look too plain and large without a grille.
And finally, a discussion of down-firing versus front-firing subwoofers in the Hsu Research forum:

http://forum.hsuresearch.com/archive...php/t-540.html
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If you think the orientation of the driver makes no difference, more power to ya. However, you might actually experiment with it yourself or read from those who have experimented and tested with different driver orientations and what differences it makes. You'll discover otherwise. Check out nalthien's "big room challenge" thread for example.
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In your quoted article:

The first mentions "as a general rule, it doesn't matter". A "general rule" is not science or even a definitive statement.

In the second Sunfire quote (that you bolded), "One of these is not necessarily better then the other. It's just a matter of design and your own personal taste." there is nothing in this quote saying it doesn't matter. Again, "not necessarily better than the other" is not a definitive statement.

No definitive scientific answer uses terms like "in general", "not necessarily", etc.
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If you think the orientation of the driver makes no difference, more power to ya. However, you might actually experiment with it yourself or read from those who have experimented and tested with different driver orientations and what differences it makes. You'll discover otherwise. Check out nalthien's "big room challenge" thread for example.
Orientation of the driver? I have even noticed orientation of the port makes a difference (for a down firing sub).
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In your quoted article:

The first mentions "as a general rule, it doesn't matter". A "general rule" is not science or even a definitive statement.

In the second Sunfire quote (that you bolded), "One of these is not necessarily better then the other. It's just a matter of design and your own personal taste." there is nothing in this quote saying it doesn't matter. Again, "not necessarily better than the other" is not a definitive statement.

No definitive scientific answer uses terms like "in general", "not necessarily", etc.
Not may article. I didn't write any of it. However, its been debated on here and other sites (as shown above) and there is no scientific evidence to back any version is better than the other. Again, low frequency is omni-directional...thats a scientific FACT. So placing a driver in different direction shouldn't make a difference. However, this guy is saying it does? That literally contradicts the science. But, OK.

If people think it makes a difference...so be it. But dont spread misinformation on a site that relies on science to prove its point.
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Not may article. I didn't write any of it. However, its been debated on here and other sites (as shown above) and there is no scientific evidence to back any version is better than the other. Again, low frequency is omni-directional...thats a scientific FACT. So placing a driver in different direction shouldn't make a difference. However, this guy is saying it does? That literally contradicts the science. But, OK.

If people think it makes a difference...so be it. But dont spread misinformation on a site that relies on science to prove its point.
I'm saying the things you quoted don't really help your argument, is all.

Do we agree that if you take a sub, and put it in the center of the room, then move it to a corner, that the bass will be different? We should, that's pretty simple and obvious.

Now, if the driver is on the bottom, facing the floor, and on the side, facing the wall, in the same location, there will be ZERO difference? I don't think so. There will at least be some difference. Will it be super amazeballs different? Maybe not. But there is going to be some difference, for sure.

I find it funny that you say this site relies on science to prove points, yet the interpretation of sound and what sounds good is so subjective and not science at all.
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I'm saying the things you quoted don't really help your argument, is all.

Do we agree that if you take a sub, and put it in the center of the room, then move it to a corner, that the bass will be different? We should, that's pretty simple and obvious.

Now, if the driver is on the bottom, facing the floor, and on the side, facing the wall, in the same location, there will be ZERO difference? I don't think so. There will at least be some difference. Will it be super amazeballs different? Maybe not. But there is going to be some difference, for sure.

I find it funny that you say this site relies on science to prove points, yet the interpretation of sound and what sounds good is so subjective and not science at all.
Again, low frequencies are omni-directional...i dont know how people are missing this. The only think im interpreting is what science tells me. Nothing more.

I combed through that thread suggested, and what did i find?

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It may have just been the entire context of the discussion being missed in some cases.

The orientation of a subwoofer driver wil have little/no effect on the subwoofer's performance as the device essentially emits its energy in all directions equally. HOWEVER, whenever you change the driver distance relationship to room boundaries you can see/hear differences. This might seem like semantics but it really isn't the driver direction changing things, it is just you are changing the driver room boundary relationships.

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But i guess these experts are just idiots, right?

Look, if you want to believe that changing the direction of the driver will make a difference, more power to you. I have some magic elixir to sell you that will make you the strongest man in the world too.

People always ask "will i bother my neighbors if i have a down firing sub"...its one of the most common questions asked. And guess what the answer is? You guessed it...IT DOESNT MATTER. The driver can face up towards the ceiling, and the neighbor will get the same amount of bass.

But hey, we will let you tell it.
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Again, that "expert" says "little to no effect". What you aren't grasping is that it will may have a small effect. That expert even said so. He did NOT say "it will have no effect, zero, whatsoever". He doesn't say that, because he can't.

Also, your whole "low frequencies are omnidirectional" thing you keep saying. What frequency does science say is "low"? If I run my sub at 120hz, is it omnidirectional? "low frequencies" is really vague. Most people don't run the sub that high, but with subpar bookshelf speakers they may. And if their sub is 120hz, it is most definitely not "omnidirectional".
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Again, low frequencies are omni-directional...i dont know how people are missing this. The only think im interpreting is what science tells me. Nothing more.

I combed through that thread suggested, and what did i find?



But i guess these experts are just idiots, right?

Look, if you want to believe that changing the direction of the driver will make a difference, more power to you. I have some magic elixir to sell you that will make you the strongest man in the world too.

People always ask "will i bother my neighbors if i have a down firing sub"...its one of the most common questions asked. And guess what the answer is? You guessed it...IT DOESNT MATTER. The driver can face up towards the ceiling, and the neighbor will get the same amount of bass.

But hey, we will let you tell it.
Yes, LFE is omni-directional, but where the driver is pointed can make several differences in how it sounds within the room. A front-firing sub along a wall with the driver pointed out into the room won't sound the same as when you flip it around and have the driver facing the wall. Please read the following thread, for example, and PLEASE do some further research. You are way off base on this matter. Placement of a forward firing subwoofer

Read posts 4 and 5 of this thread. Check out the graph comparison on post 5. Aim woofer up or at ceiling?

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Yes, LFE is omni-directional, but where the driver is pointed can make several differences in how it sounds within the room. A front-firing sub along a wall with the driver pointed out into the room won't sound the same as when you flip it around and have the driver facing the wall. Please read the following thread, for example, and PLEASE do some further research. You are way off base on this matter. Placement of a forward firing subwoofer

Read posts 4 and 5 of this thread. Check out the graph comparison on post 5. Aim woofer up or at ceiling?
You're theory of pointing the driver in different directions directly contradicts LFE being omni-directional...thats the whole point of this debate.

That thread is about boundaries more than a driver being pointed a specific direction. Read what Mark Seaton wrote. You need to be more specific when doling out advice about down-firing vs front firing. Everyone should know that a speaker placed close to boundaries will sound different than if pulled away...thats sound 101.

Even Bill Fitzmaurice himself states:

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That is right there in the thread you directed me to!

As far as the other thread goes, look at the two curves below 40hz...they are near identical. And the difference through the rest of the graph is more or less negligible, with around 50hz being discernible. What else changed when he rotated it? Did he raise it up? Did it get moved a bit to the left or right? The final poster clearly stated he raised his sub up 16 inches. That can make a huge difference in the setup.
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And just so we are clear, I am not trying to be combative or argumentative. I have been around this place for nearly a decade and Its always best to give someone help, but not becuase its subjective in things such as placement. As a community, it is always best to give information to others with as much facts behind it as possible. We all have opinions, and we should have them. Just be cautious please.
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Again, that "expert" says "little to no effect". What you aren't grasping is that it will may have a small effect. That expert even said so. He did NOT say "it will have no effect, zero, whatsoever". He doesn't say that, because he can't.

Also, your whole "low frequencies are omnidirectional" thing you keep saying. What frequency does science say is "low"? If I run my sub at 120hz, is it omnidirectional? "low frequencies" is really vague. Most people don't run the sub that high, but with subpar bookshelf speakers they may. And if their sub is 120hz, it is most definitely not "omnidirectional".
Most here feel LFE starts at 100-80hz. Wikipedia says anything under 120hz is considered LFE, others here will tell you its 50hz and lower.
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As far as the other thread goes, look at the two curves below 40hz...they are near identical. And the difference through the rest of the graph is more or less negligible, with around 50hz being discernible. What else changed when he rotated it? Did he raise it up? Did it get moved a bit to the left or right? The final poster clearly stated he raised his sub up 16 inches. That can make a huge difference in the setup.
Thank you. You basically just proved that your whole argument on this matter is wrong. You say below 40Hz they are "near" identical, so you agree they aren't the same. But you've hammered over and over again there is no difference at all when the driver pointed in different directions. The graph shows MUCH more than a "negligible" difference above 40Hz. So using your words you must now agree that your repeated point that there is absolutely no difference made with driver orientation is false.

Not sure if you fully read the thread I linked, but you must have missed several of the comments, including this one. "You'll usually get best results with the driver aimed at a wall from 6 to 12 inches away. Forward firing gives the worst results compared to down, rear or side firing, but the average consumer thinks that if they don't see the cone they won't hear the sound." Bill Fitzmaurice


If you still think an example of pointing a driver out into the room and pointing it at a wall will give you the same frequency response, nulls and peaks in a room because there is absolutely no difference as to the orientation of the driver, then you are a lost cause. This is where I get off the "can't help those who can't help themselves" train.

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