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No problem. Hope you enjoy the sub-12, which is a pretty bad ass sub for $200. If you get on frys.com's mailing list, they have discount codes what seems like every day for certain items.
I can't image there is a better sub under $500 current available anywhere.

For context, I bought 6 subs last year, this was the least heralded, by far.

I am not saying it's the best overall, it's not, I am just saying it's the best out there at $500 or below. I still can't believe I got it for $200 delivered.

What you got back home, little sister, to play your fuzzy warbles on? I bet you got little save pitiful, portable picnic players. Come with uncle and hear all proper! Hear angel trumpets and devil trombones. You are invited.
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I can't image there is a better sub under $500 current available anywhere.

For context, I bought 6 subs last year, this was the least heralded, by far.

I am not saying it's the best overall, it's not, I am just saying it's the best out there at $500 or below. I still can't believe I got it for $200 delivered.
What are the other 5?
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I can't image there is a better sub under $500 current available anywhere.

For context, I bought 6 subs last year, this was the least heralded, by far.

I am not saying it's the best overall, it's not, I am just saying it's the best out there at $500 or below. I still can't believe I got it for $200 delivered.
It really is that good. I had the Klipsch sub-12 and the highly regarded NXG NX-BAS-500 at the same time and the Klipsch worked better for me. I've also had an assortment of "budget" subs and I've yet to run across one I enjoyed more than the sub-12.

Game Room> LG 60" Plasma, Onkyo HT-RC560, Infinity P363 fronts, P163 center, P163's rears, JBL Loft40 FH, PSA XS30 and RA S-15 subs. PS4 and XBox One.
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I asked a few posts ago and never saw a response. I've got 2 PSW505's and will be looking for another sub $200 sub for another room. I'm happy with the PSW505 and it's regularly around $190 with free shipping at newegg. Spec wise it seems to meet/exceed the Klipsch sub-12. I'm not going to start hating my PSW505's based on any feedback because they do the job for which they were purchased but I'm wondering if someone could succinctly lay out the pros/cons of the two. It may influence my upcoming purchase FWIW, I've matched the PSW505's with monitor 60's (f)/40's(r) and CS2(c) 5.1 setups for daily use.

As I said before, not wanting to light any fires or start any brand wars, just interested in an honest/fair comparison of the PSW505 and the Sub-12!

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I can't image there is a better sub under $500 current available anywhere.

For context, I bought 6 subs last year, this was the least heralded, by far.

I am not saying it's the best overall, it's not, I am just saying it's the best out there at $500 or below. I still can't believe I got it for $200 delivered.
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OK, if i new where this thread was moving i would go there. Because i came here to read about the Sub-12 from Klipsch. But i wanted to make this comment on the often related claim "Low frequencies are omnidirectional". Some of this confusion comes from mixing up terminology. Sound waves are omnidirectional, meaning they travel out from a source in all directions. As they travel they interact, get distorted, attenuated, etc. Specific interference patterns can make them directional, like a parabolic dish focusing them, but that is not the case with powered subwoofer designs.

What people are (usually) referring to is the human sensory experience and the ability to infer direction from a sound. The human head isn't designed (mostly due to size) to locate the direction of sounds less than ~80Hz. Larger animals, like elephants, can infer direction from sounds lower than 80Hz. There is nothing special about that frequency besides our ability to interpret differential information at the point of our two ears (how the brain infers direction). As we all know, the room is interacting with the source and that alters the energy that reaches our ears. So, orienting the driver in a different direction can change the interference patterns (not saying that one way is better or worse than another), but that has nothing to do with the omnidirectional nature of sound (even low frequency sound).
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Not may article. I didn't write any of it. However, its been debated on here and other sites (as shown above) and there is no scientific evidence to back any version is better than the other. Again, low frequency is omni-directional...thats a scientific FACT. So placing a driver in different direction shouldn't make a difference. However, this guy is saying it does? That literally contradicts the science. But, OK.

If people think it makes a difference...so be it. But dont spread misinformation on a site that relies on science to prove its point.
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What are the other 5?
I got a servo from Velodyne, 3000 watts Dynamic/1250 watts RMS Power, 10 in

2 were SVS SB 2000... 500 watts RMS, 1100 watts peak, 12 in

2 others were SVS SB 13 ultra, 1000 Watt RMS, 13 in. 3600 peak

the only reason I got the Kipsch was because it was such a good deal Turns out, it was the best audio deal I ever got. Many many decades I have been buying.

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How about here?

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/newthr...ewthread&f=113

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OK, if i new where this thread was moving i would go there. Because i came here to read about the Sub-12 from Klipsch. But i wanted to make this comment on the often related claim "Low frequencies are omnidirectional". Some of this confusion comes from mixing up terminology. Sound waves are omnidirectional, meaning they travel out from a source in all directions. As they travel they interact, get distorted, attenuated, etc. Specific interference patterns can make them directional, like a parabolic dish focusing them, but that is not the case with powered subwoofer designs.

What people are (usually) referring to is the human sensory experience and the ability to infer direction from a sound. The human head isn't designed (mostly due to size) to locate the direction of sounds less than ~80Hz. Larger animals, like elephants, can infer direction from sounds lower than 80Hz. There is nothing special about that frequency besides our ability to interpret differential information at the point of our two ears (how the brain infers direction). As we all know, the room is interacting with the source and that alters the energy that reaches our ears. So, orienting the driver in a different direction can change the interference patterns (not saying that one way is better or worse than another), but that has nothing to do with the omnidirectional nature of sound (even low frequency sound).
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I asked a few posts ago and never saw a response. I've got 2 PSW505's and will be looking for another sub $200 sub for another room. I'm happy with the PSW505 and it's regularly around $190 with free shipping at newegg. Spec wise it seems to meet/exceed the Klipsch sub-12. I'm not going to start hating my PSW505's based on any feedback because they do the job for which they were purchased but I'm wondering if someone could succinctly lay out the pros/cons of the two. It may influence my upcoming purchase FWIW, I've matched the PSW505's with monitor 60's (f)/40's(r) and CS2(c) 5.1 setups for daily use.

As I said before, not wanting to light any fires or start any brand wars, just interested in an honest/fair comparison of the PSW505 and the Sub-12!

THANKS


I don't do comparisons much...especially at this price level. I can only tell ya my impressions from being a music nut since 1960. (not audio, music) I have zero brand loyalty to Klipsch, can't stand there speakers so no worries there if you go another direction. I'd say, enjoy the music and if this PSW505 makes you happy, get another and don't think twice.


What is that anyway? Have a link?

Thanks and enjoy!
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I asked a few posts ago and never saw a response. I've got 2 PSW505's and will be looking for another sub $200 sub for another room. I'm happy with the PSW505 and it's regularly around $190 with free shipping at newegg. Spec wise it seems to meet/exceed the Klipsch sub-12. I'm not going to start hating my PSW505's based on any feedback because they do the job for which they were purchased but I'm wondering if someone could succinctly lay out the pros/cons of the two. It may influence my upcoming purchase FWIW, I've matched the PSW505's with monitor 60's (f)/40's(r) and CS2(c) 5.1 setups for daily use.

As I said before, not wanting to light any fires or start any brand wars, just interested in an honest/fair comparison of the PSW505 and the Sub-12!

THANKS
The 505 is one of the few budget subs I've never owned/auditioned, so I couldn't say one way or another if I thought it was better/worse than the sub-12. If you are looking to buy a sub to use in a different room, then I think the sub-12 would be at least comparable to the PSW505. I don't think you could go wrong choosing the Klipsch over the Polk when looking for a sub for your room. Room size and layout, of course, will determine how well any sub performs.

Buy the Klipsch and then come back and give us your impressions compared to the Polk. I would be very interested in your take.

edit: BTW, don't feel compelled to "match" your sub brand to your speaker brand. Which brand sub you buy doesn't really matter in relation to what brand your speakers are.

Game Room> LG 60" Plasma, Onkyo HT-RC560, Infinity P363 fronts, P163 center, P163's rears, JBL Loft40 FH, PSA XS30 and RA S-15 subs. PS4 and XBox One.
Living Room> Samsung 59" Plasma, Onkyo TX-NR509, JBL Studio 180 fronts, Studio 120c center, Polk RC60i in-wall rears, SVS PB12-NSD sub. PS3 and XBox 360.
PC set up> Yamaha RX-V377, Infinity P163's, Klipsch sub-12.
Master BR> Samsung 42" LED, Yamaha RX-V375, Denon 5 speaker, Pioneer SW-8 sub.

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THX, I'm not compelled to match brands. Just worked out that way. I'm a patient person and as the Monitor line was "phasing out", I watched the prices at newegg and caught their patterns. I bought things weeks/months apart as the prices hit rock bottom and am very pleased. I get the whole volume of room stuff, these setups are primarily TV/family gathering rooms so "premium" sound wasn't the target but for what I spent, I'm extremely happy (and that's all that matters to me)!!!! I think my PSW505 were actually in the $170 range on shell shocker or holiday or whatever sale
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The 505 is one of the few budget subs I've never owned/auditioned, so I couldn't say one way or another if I thought it was better/worse than the sub-12. If you are looking to buy a sub to use in a different room, then I think the sub-12 would be at least comparable to the PSW505. I don't think you could go wrong choosing the Klipsch over the Polk when looking for a sub for your room. Room size and layout, of course, will determine how well any sub performs.

Buy the Klipsch and then come back and give us your impressions compared to the Polk. I would be very interested in your take.

edit: BTW, don't feel compelled to "match" your sub brand to your speaker brand. Which brand sub you buy doesn't really matter in relation to what brand your speakers are.
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I got a servo from Velodyne, 3000 watts Dynamic/1250 watts RMS Power, 10 in

2 were SVS SB 2000... 500 watts RMS, 1100 watts peak, 12 in

2 others were SVS SB 13 ultra, 1000 Watt RMS, 13 in. 3600 peak

the only reason I got the Kipsch was because it was such a good deal Turns out, it was the best audio deal I ever got. Many many decades I have been buying.
Those sound like some heavy hitters.

Are you saying better compared to price/value or overall?
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I don't do comparisons much...especially at this price level. I can only tell ya my impressions from being a music nut since 1960. (not audio, music) I have zero brand loyalty to Klipsch, can't stand there speakers so no worries there if you go another direction. I'd say, enjoy the music and if this PSW505 makes you happy, get another and don't think twice.


What is that anyway? Have a link?

Thanks and enjoy!
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Those sound like some heavy hitters.

Are you saying better compared to price/value or overall?
price/value

big difference between best price/value and best sound

I could never use it in my bigger systems and expect it could survive.

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