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Don't do it. I've heard both and if anything the RW is a little better sub imo. They are pretty similar though. You could probably get away with running both of them and have a fairly nice dual setup.

But i could get a very comparable sub and prob pocket $50 to $75.
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I saw on Reddit that NXG has ceased production and this is just the remaining stock being sold off. So it's a good deal, but will likely be hard pressed to get any kind of support should something happen. For only $180, it's a pretty good gamble, but if you already have the RW-12D, +1 to Bond.

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I saw on Reddit that NXG has ceased production and this is just the remaining stock being sold off. So it's a good deal, but will likely be hard pressed to get any kind of support should something happen. For only $180, it's a pretty good gamble, but if you already have the RW-12D, +1 to Bond.


From past experience I've found the info on Reddit to be a bit of a crap shoot - as far as accuracy is concerned - so I wonder if NXG did indeed cancel production. Given the success they've had it would seem to be a foolish move if they did. I hope that's not the case, because I thought the sub was very capable.

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From past experience I've found the info on Reddit to be a bit of a crap shoot - as far as accuracy is concerned - so I wonder if NXG did indeed cancel production. Given the success they've had it would seem to be a foolish move if they did. I hope that's not the case, because I thought the sub was very capable.
Yeah you are right about that, but they had copied the response from NXG, and they stated they are planning to just continue with their speaker line, and did acknowledge the auto-on issue, but that there was no fix planned. Take it with a grain of salt obviously, but the same thing happened with the RW-12D on Newegg before it was gone.

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Do you have a link by chance? I'd be real interested in reading that post.

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Do you have a link by chance? I'd be real interested in reading that post.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hometheater...ered/?sort=top

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I haven't been suggesting the NXG for some time due to their issues and support complaints.
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Ok, I'm keeping the RW12D - thanks, guys. Love it so far, was a steal at $280 right before newegg permanently went out of stock.
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Those NXG NX-DECO5 satellite speakers look interesting if they are even close to the SQ of the NXG 4.1 would make a nice desktop setup.

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I haven't been suggesting the NXG for some time due to their issues and support complaints.
They were pretty quick to resolve my issue earlier this spring, but that was after I wrote a fairly scathing email to them. Good new is that I can utilize one of the great features of Amex and get my money back on the one sub that couldn't be repaired.
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Hey guys,

Looking for a sub under 200$ to go with my Affordable Accuracy monitors with a caveat. I have an Amazon gift card for 100$, so the sub has to come from Amazon. It'll be for my bedroom setup ...

It'll be strictly 100% music.

I saw some of the Dayton subs and the Martin Logan 8" available. Possibly Bic F12? Any recommendations?

Smaller bedroom size ...

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Hey guys,

Looking for a sub under 200$ to go with my Affordable Accuracy monitors with a caveat. I have an Amazon gift card for 100$, so the sub has to come from Amazon. It'll be for my bedroom setup ...

It'll be strictly 100% music.

I saw some of the Dayton subs and the Martin Logan 8" available. Possibly Bic F12? Any recommendations?

Smaller bedroom size ...
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Hey guys,

Looking for a sub under 200$ to go with my Affordable Accuracy monitors with a caveat. I have an Amazon gift card for 100$, so the sub has to come from Amazon. It'll be for my bedroom setup ...

It'll be strictly 100% music.

I saw some of the Dayton subs and the Martin Logan 8" available. Possibly Bic F12? Any recommendations?

Smaller bedroom size ...

I haven't heard the BIC RtR-EV1200, but its specs are analogous to those of the BIC F-12.

F-12 specs:

http://www.bicamerica.com/showpage.p...pe=8&spkrID=84

RtR-EV1200 specs:

http://www.bicamerica.com/showpage.p...e=3&spkrID=119

RtR-EV1200 offers/reviews on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003H3G5D8/

RtR-EV1200 offers/reviews on Newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882007034

Some relative threads on AVS forum:

which of these cheaper subs?

BIC RtT-EV1200 vs BIC F-12

Kitsch Sub-12HG vs BIC F12 vs BIC RTR-EV1200 vs BIC V1120

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Hello

I am from colombia, i see this subwoofer velodyne hgs 18 a 400us.


I would please me to recommend if 400us is a good buy or is it better to buy a new subwoofer as the svs PB1000,
Right now I have a subwoofer MFW15 AV123 and Sony STR-DN850 , I will feel the difference?

thank you very much for your help
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room is likely either 16x16 or 12x20 - its a budget setup with polk 65t and center - not sure on surrounds yet, maybe dipoles. Id like to go 7.2 - would prefer a smaller sub footprint but should i go with 2x $300 subs or 1 x $600 sub? i guess i want sound quality not volume

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room is likely either 16x16 or 12x20 - its a budget setup with polk 65t and center - not sure on surrounds yet, maybe dipoles. Id like to go 7.2 - would prefer a smaller sub footprint but should i go with 2x $300 subs or 1 x $600 sub? i guess i want sound quality not volume
For quality get 1 sub. You can get another later.
I highly suggest the Rhythmik LV12r for $569.
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For quality get 1 sub. You can get another later.
I highly suggest the Rhythmik LV12r for $569.
would rear vent work? it would need to be to the left of my screen so near to the wall at the rear

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would rear vent work? it would need to be to the left of my screen so near to the wall at the rear
To get the best out of a sub placement is critical. Google "sub crawl".
If it must go there 6" clearance for the port should be fine.
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For me, in a 12 x 12 room, dual Polk PSW505's rocked my house. They didnt dig real deep, but they had great output and are a heck of buy. When they go on sale they can be had for $149 to $169 shipped.
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Hey all, currently in the market for a new budget subwoofer and was seeking some input as to what to get. I want to replace my Polk PSW10 with something a little more powerful. Ideally I would like to spend under $300. My main problem with the PSW10 and reason I'm looking to upgrade is even at medium volumes I get a lot of port noise from the unit and end up keeping it at low volumes to the point I can't even tell it's there. I have two tower speakers in the front that help deliver bass but the subwoofer just doesn't seem to add much, which I guess makes sense given it's a pretty low end unit. My entertainment space is about 14' x 14' x 7' but it opens into the larger area of my basement which measures in total about 40' lengthwise. My main purpose would be for watching movies. I'm not looking for top notch professional bass, but something that would add noticeable kick without much distortion. Did some researching on here and models like the BIC F12, Dayton Sub-1200/1500, NXG NX-BAS-500, Klipsch Sub-12HG and Polk PSW505 (which just jumped in price to about $600 on Amazon which is out of my price range) keep popping up so was wondering if any of you have any recommendations as to what would be best for my space. Thanks in advance.
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Hey all, currently in the market for a new budget subwoofer and was seeking some input as to what to get. I want to replace my Polk PSW10 with something a little more powerful. Ideally I would like to spend under $300. My main problem with the PSW10 and reason I'm looking to upgrade is even at medium volumes I get a lot of port noise from the unit and end up keeping it at low volumes to the point I can't even tell it's there. I have two tower speakers in the front that help deliver bass but the subwoofer just doesn't seem to add much, which I guess makes sense given it's a pretty low end unit. My entertainment space is about 14' x 14' x 7' but it opens into the larger area of my basement which measures in total about 40' lengthwise. My main purpose would be for watching movies. I'm not looking for top notch professional bass, but something that would add noticeable kick without much distortion. Did some researching on here and models like the BIC F12, Dayton Sub-1200/1500, NXG NX-BAS-500, Klipsch Sub-12HG and Polk PSW505 (which just jumped in price to about $600 on Amazon which is out of my price range) keep popping up so was wondering if any of you have any recommendations as to what would be best for my space. Thanks in advance.
Have you experimented with sub placement?
2 Dayton Sub1500s would be a significant upgrade. You could add another 1 or 2 later if you feel the need.
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Have you experimented with sub placement?
2 Dayton Sub1500s would be a significant upgrade. You could add another 1 or 2 later if you feel the need.
I haven't tried a sub crawl yet. I have limited placement options but I'm going to try and experiment a little more later today. The Dayton certainly seems like a good sub with a lot of good reviews. Just wondering though - it seems on the lower end wattage wise at 150 watts whereas models like the BIC F12, which runs for just $20 more has 475 watts. How much of a noticeable difference would that be? And what are the benefits of a 15" over a 12"?

Will also add I have carpeting and an Onkyo TX-SR606 receiver, if that makes any difference.
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I haven't tried a sub crawl yet. I have limited placement options but I'm going to try and experiment a little more later today. The Dayton certainly seems like a good sub with a lot of good reviews. Just wondering though - it seems on the lower end wattage wise at 150 watts whereas models like the BIC F12, which runs for just $20 more has 475 watts. How much of a noticeable difference would that be? And what are the benefits of a 15" over a 12"?

Will also add I have carpeting and an Onkyo TX-SR606 receiver, if that makes any difference.
One of those wattage quotes is peak and the other is rms. Apples to oranges. Be careful to compare rms to rms or peak to peak. Rms is the more important.
Sensitivity is also an important factor but difficult to find most of the time.
Bottom line is Im pretty certain the 1500 will have more output than the F12.
No specific benefit of 15 over 12. Its more complicated than that.
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One of those wattage quotes is peak and the other is rms. Apples to oranges. Be careful to compare rms to rms or peak to peak. Rms is the more important.
Sensitivity is also an important factor but difficult to find most of the time.
Bottom line is Im pretty certain the 1500 will have more output than the F12.
No specific benefit of 15 over 12. Its more complicated than that.
Ok I understand. Thank you for the advice. I'm also looking into the BIC PL-200, NX-BASS-500, and the Klipsch Sub-12HG as they are also within my price range. I'm definitely tempted to go with the Dayton and save some money for another at some point, but I'm not sure if it will fit comfortably in my space as it might be a bit too big.
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Hey all, currently in the market for a new budget subwoofer and was seeking some input as to what to get. I want to replace my Polk PSW10 with something a little more powerful. Ideally I would like to spend under $300. My main problem with the PSW10 and reason I'm looking to upgrade is even at medium volumes I get a lot of port noise from the unit and end up keeping it at low volumes to the point I can't even tell it's there. I have two tower speakers in the front that help deliver bass but the subwoofer just doesn't seem to add much, which I guess makes sense given it's a pretty low end unit. My entertainment space is about 14' x 14' x 7' but it opens into the larger area of my basement which measures in total about 40' lengthwise. My main purpose would be for watching movies. I'm not looking for top notch professional bass, but something that would add noticeable kick without much distortion. Did some researching on here and models like the BIC F12, Dayton Sub-1200/1500, NXG NX-BAS-500, Klipsch Sub-12HG and Polk PSW505 (which just jumped in price to about $600 on Amazon which is out of my price range) keep popping up so was wondering if any of you have any recommendations as to what would be best for my space. Thanks in advance.
I haven't heard live the BIC RtR-EV1200 (price: USD ~220), but its specs are analogous to those of the BIC F-12, and it has been getting some good reviews.

F-12 specs:

http://www.bicamerica.com/showpage.php?brand=2&type=8&spkrID=84

RtR-EV1200 specs:

http://www.bicamerica.com/showpage.php?brand=3&type=3&spkrID=119

RtR-EV1200 offers/reviews on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003H3G5D8/

RtR-EV1200 offers/reviews on Newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882007034

Amateur videos that feature the RtR-EV1200:




Some related threads on AVS forum:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-subwoofers-bass-transducers/1514136-these-cheaper-subs.html

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-subwoofers-bass-transducers/1948729-bic-rtt-ev1200-vs-bic-f-12-a.html

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-subwoofers-bass-transducers/1907785-kitsch-sub-12hg-vs-bic-f12-vs-bic-rtr-ev1200-vs-bic-v1120.html

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So I don't think I'm gonna be able to fit a Dayton SUB-1500 in my space as it's just too bulky, let alone 2. I'm considering getting a SUB-1200 for $148 and possibly getting another if I can fit it in my space. Again, my space is kinda small (about 13x13x7) but it is open to a larger area. I'm really interested in getting a BIC PL-200 for $330 as I can shell out an extra $200 or so comfortably but I have doubts as to whether it's really worth it at that price or how much of an improvement it would be over a SUB-1200. I currently have a Polk PSW10 and a Yamaha YST216 that are both 10" subs with 50 watts and I'm trying to sell them (though I was considering keeping one as a second sub in a small corner space). I was also thinking, since I have about $300 worth of older equipment I'm trying to sell, I might be able to squeeze $500 for an SVS PB1000 but the problem is I feel like I may need to upgrade my receiver in the near future and possibly my front tower speakers so I'm trying to determine whether it would be better to put more money into a high quality sub or get something just to satisfy me over the PSW10 while still having enough left for future upgrades for my system. Again, any advice or input is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

And also, does it matter that the upper frequency range for the SUB-1200 is about 140hz whereas my Polk and the PL-200 extend to 200hz (and the PB-1000 goes up to 270hz)? The cutoff frequency for the LPF on my receiver is set at 120hz so I would assume not as the purpose of the subwoofer is to handle lower frequency sound anyway. Would the difference be any noticeable?
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Buy the best you can for the product you're looking to replace now, and then worry about the other stuff when the time comes. A minor upgrade will only satisfy for a short period of time, whereas a major one will be worthwhile for a long time.

120Hz is too high to begin with, so you might want to revisit that. Anything above 100Hz will tend to cause localization issues, along with other anomalies like 'chesty' sounding voices. Either way, the upper frequency roll-off point is only relevant if you're going to be setting a crossover point within say 20Hz of that range. If you end up using 80Hz then it doesn't matter whether the sub is rated to 150Hz or 200Hz because you'll never get anywhere near it.

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So I don't think I'm gonna be able to fit a Dayton SUB-1500 in my space as it's just too bulky, let alone 2. I'm considering getting a SUB-1200 for $148 and possibly getting another if I can fit it in my space. Again, my space is kinda small (about 13x13x7) but it is open to a larger area. I'm really interested in getting a BIC PL-200 for $330 as I can shell out an extra $200 or so comfortably but I have doubts as to whether it's really worth it at that price or how much of an improvement it would be over a SUB-1200. I currently have a Polk PSW10 and a Yamaha YST216 that are both 10" subs with 50 watts and I'm trying to sell them (though I was considering keeping one as a second sub in a small corner space). I was also thinking, since I have about $300 worth of older equipment I'm trying to sell, I might be able to squeeze $500 for an SVS PB1000 but the problem is I feel like I may need to upgrade my receiver in the near future and possibly my front tower speakers so I'm trying to determine whether it would be better to put more money into a high quality sub or get something just to satisfy me over the PSW10 while still having enough left for future upgrades for my system. Again, any advice or input is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

And also, does it matter that the upper frequency range for the SUB-1200 is about 140hz whereas my Polk and the PL-200 extend to 200hz (and the PB-1000 goes up to 270hz)? The cutoff frequency for the LPF on my receiver is set at 120hz so I would assume not as the purpose of the subwoofer is to handle lower frequency sound anyway. Would the difference be any noticeable?
If space is a concern, consider the sealed SVS SB-1000 instead of the ported PB-1000. They both feature the same Sledge STA-300D amp, and both sell for the same price (USD ~500):

http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/sealed-box/sb-1000

Rear aspect of an SVS sub that features a Sledge STA-300D amp:




If you haven't seen them, here are some AVS forum threads on the PL-200:

BIC Acoustech H200 Subwoofer (AKA PL-200)

Bic Acoustech PL-200 Data-Bass test results

BTW: whichever sub you choose, I would retain the Polk as a secondary/supplementary sub. It's fairly compact, and, it can help to mitigate any dead spots left by the new sub. (To connect 2 active subs to an x.1 A/VR, you may require an RCA Y-splitter cable, such as:

http://www.cablesalesusa.com/index.p...oducts_id=1187



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A/VR: Sony STR-DE598 (6.1 channels)
L/R + C: 2 x BIC Venturi DV62si + 1 x Boston Acoustics CS 26 II
Subs: BIC RtR RtR-12S + Polk Audio PSW110
Surrounds: 2 x Klipsch Synergy B-20 + 1 x Boston Acoustics CS 26 II
Monitor: LG 24EA53V-P (Panel: LG Display AH-IPS)
Display: Samsung UN-46EH6000F CS01 (Panel: InnoLux S-MVA)

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Thank you all for the advice. I really appreciate it! With regards to the SVS PB1000 vs SB1000, I could fit either one in my space. Given that they are the same price, but one is sealed with a 12" driver while the other is ported with a 10" driver, which one would be better for my space, if it even makes a difference? Thanks again. You've all been a great help.
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