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Please enlight me:

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I can't quite place those.

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Scuba Steve also advised me on using TSMuxor and DVD-FAB to create my own demo clips. I've been playing around with that tonight and managed to successfully create a clip of Titan AE's Icefield on the Home Theatre PC. I bought a Blu-Ray drive, so I can now create any clip I want from any DVD or Blu-Ray for the meet.

The one hold up I'm still researching is that the current generation of sound cards - even nice ones like Creative Lab Fatality or Audigy cards don't support the new Dolby Digital True HD or DTS Master Audio. They only support the lossey standard version of Dolby Digital and DTS. This isn't really a problem for DVD cuts because they don't have the new standards, but for BluRay cuts - if you want lossless we'll just have to use the ScubaSteve Demo disks probably. I've got more to learn here and may not be entirely accurate in this understanding - but feel free to let me know if I'm missing something!

How are you playing these back - with an HTPC? It is much easier just to put in the playback range with JRIver like we did at HuskerOmaha's GTG. Then you can easily change clip lengths, reorganize the playlist, and make adjustments on the fly.

What are you trying to do with a soundcard? If you are using it for analog output, then you can decode DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD with your playback software. If you want to use HDMI output, then the current video cards handle that for the audio. You can still use the the playback software to decode and send out via PCM via HDMI if your receiver doesn't decode the latest formats and if you want to use other DSP such as parametric EQ.
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I think Jonathan has the same AVR I do.
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I think Jonathan has the same AVR I do.

yes - the Onkyo TX-NR1007 is the receiver I currently have. Same as Gregs.

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How are you playing these back - with an HTPC? It is much easier just to put in the playback range with JRIver like we did at HuskerOmaha's GTG. Then you can easily change clip lengths, reorganize the playlist, and make adjustments on the fly.

What are you trying to do with a soundcard? If you are using it for analog output, then you can decode DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD with your playback software. If you want to use HDMI output, then the current video cards handle that for the audio. You can still use the the playback software to decode and send out via PCM via HDMI if your receiver doesn't decode the latest formats and if you want to use other DSP such as parametric EQ.

I have multiple manners of playback. PS3, HomeTheater PC with Coax output, and my desktop PC with an Audigy X-Fi Titanium

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Woops, posted in the wrong thread....

HuskerOmaha is confirmed for the January 14th event.

I'll probably come down Friday night and hang out with my brother so I'll be driving separate I'm guessing.

In the elemental designs thread I thought Alex had mentioned there was someone in the KC area buying dual A7 450s. Those would be really fun to hear as well.

So Jeff is bringing the Cap S and OS subs, in duals? Is he pulling a trailer?

Are we hearing SubM duals?


I think playing many sub 20 Hz content clips is important--for me at least I want to see if I can tell which subs, blinded, play the BHD scene the best with the most impressive definition...things like that.

What would it take for us to do the spectrum of each clip as bosso suggests? To see which points in the clip have ____ hz content at what time stamps. That would be super cool to do...I'm just not that great with this kind of stuff. Michael?
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Woops, posted in the wrong thread....

HuskerOmaha is confirmed for the January 14th event.

I'll probably come down Friday night and hang out with my brother so I'll be driving separate I'm guessing.

In the elemental designs thread I thought Alex had mentioned there was someone in the KC area buying dual A7 450s. Those would be really fun to hear as well.

So Jeff is bringing the Cap S and OS subs, in duals? Is he pulling a trailer?

Are we hearing SubM duals?


I think playing many sub 20 Hz content clips is important--for me at least I want to see if I can tell which subs, blinded, play the BHD scene the best with the most impressive definition...things like that.

What would it take for us to do the spectrum of each clip as bosso suggests? To see which points in the clip have ____ hz content at what time stamps. That would be super cool to do...I'm just not that great with this kind of stuff. Michael?

So long as it stays blind - which means NOT showing the voting audience the FR graphs or real time omnimic measurements before the meet ends.

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What would it take for us to do the spectrum of each clip as bosso suggests? To see which points in the clip have ____ hz content at what time stamps. That would be super cool to do...I'm just not that great with this kind of stuff. Michael?

I started a thread about this topic. I think I've figured out how to load the mic and sound card correction files into spectrum lab and how to take both the mic'd and digital waterfalls. I'm hoping to do some testing this weekend to see if I have everything correct.\\

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I started a thread about this topic. I think I've figured out how to load the mic and sound card correction files into spectrum lab and how to take both the mic'd and digital waterfalls. I'm hoping to do some testing this weekend to see if I have everything correct.\\

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1374817

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Alex, of Elemental Designs, - are you interested in attending?

Craig, of Chase Home Theater, are you interested in attending?

Mark, of Seaton Sound, are you interested in attending?

I believe Jeff of JTR Speakers plans on attending.


For the sole non blind audition of the material to let people first get acclimated with the room. Which subs do you guys want?
My brother has a couple of Klipsch RW-12d subs we could use. lukekamp might be talked into letting us use his HSU VTF-15H pair if we beg nicely. We could possibly use a JL F112, if we can find a second. We might be able to source a couple SVS PB12+ units as I believe a couple guys have pm'ed me their wish to attend and offered a SVS PB12 +.

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I don't think Alex has a way to get stuff to the meet.
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Mark, of Seaton Sound, are you interested in attending?

Hi Archaea,

I haven't finalized my schedule for CES yet, but I am attending, and it runs the days leading into the 14th with some loudspeaker industry happenings extending into the weekend. I'll see what things look like as we get closer to the date.

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Thanks Mark! Hope all goes well for you at CES...

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If there is interest in me bringing the 15H's all I need is some help getting them there. I believe Jeff uses the same 18" driver in his lineup he is bringing? If that is the case it will be a great opportunity to see what the different alignments contribute.

Hope all goes well at CES Seaton. Hope you can make it to the GTG. I really dig those Subm's and would love to have a comparison with the Cap S.
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I bet Mark and Jeff have already compared them. Why don't they just tell us which one is better?

Jonathan-we need a probable attendee list. I want the 2nd best seat.

Food on the menu? Beverages?

You are killing me get on this!
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I bet Mark and Jeff have already compared them. Why don't they just tell us which one is better?

Jonathan-we need a probable attendee list. I want the 2nd best seat.

Food on the menu? Beverages?

You are killing me get on this!

say the magic phrase!

ported is better!

otherwise you might find yourself sitting on a bean bag chair in the far corner eating a bag of off brand cheetos.



I've silently been doing a lot of prep work for this. Details to come. I suppose in the near term I could update the attendee list on the first page. Look for that in the next half hour.

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Archaea...potential lineup update please.

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How are you playing these back - If you want to use HDMI output, then the current video cards handle that for the audio.

This trick worked - my GTX 560TI passes 7.1 lossless audio in the clips. So we may end up using that instead of or in addition to the scubasteve disk v2.

With the Creative sound card the most I could ever get was 6.1 and 5.1

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attendee list updated - - - -

Did I miss anyone?

I count 13 supposed confirms? I figure ~25% will bail like what happened at our first meet in KC - so there again we are looking at 8 or 10 people.

The more the merrier. I will setup additional chairs to accomodate more people if they choose to attend. My room is about 25 foot deep by about 20 foot wide.

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tesseract and Technosponge -

You guys both have pairs of CHT 18.1 SS subs right? Would you be interested in bringing your subs? I guess on initial thoughts I don't mind if we have four CHT 18.1 SS for the blind audition because they are significantly lower pricepoints than some of the other options -- would it would offer more parity if they were represented the testing at somewhat equivalent price points? Or does 2 vs. 4 subs lessen the blind equivalency tests relevance? I can see both sides here. Speak out gang?

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tesseract and Technosponge -

You guys both have pairs of CHT 18.1 SS subs right? Would you be interested in bringing your subs? I guess on initial thoughts I don't mind if we have four CHT 18.1 SS for the blind audition because they are significantly lower pricepoints than some of the other options -- would it would offer more parity if they were represented the testing at somewhat equivalent price points? Or does 2 vs. 4 subs lessen the blind equivalency tests relevance? I can see both sides here. Speak out gang?

I would agree with your thoughts on price points. I would vote 4
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I would agree with your thoughts on price points. I would vote 4

I second this.
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This trick worked - my GTX 560TI passes 7.1 lossless audio in the clips. So we may end up using that instead of or in addition to the scubasteve disk v2.

With the Creative sound card the most I could ever get was 6.1 and 5.1

I'm glad you got it working.

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I would agree with your thoughts on price points. I would vote 4

I agree and vote 4.
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I would agree with your thoughts on price points. I would vote 4

As long as they are 2 stacked pairs, should be fine...
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If there is interest in me bringing the 15H's all I need is some help getting them there. I believe Jeff uses the same 18" driver in his lineup he is bringing? If that is the case it will be a great opportunity to see what the different alignments contribute.

Hope all goes well at CES Seaton. Hope you can make it to the GTG. I really dig those Subm's and would love to have a comparison with the Cap S.

I can help. Will 2 fit in your wife's SUV?
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I can help. Will 2 fit in your wife's SUV?

I want to box them so I don't think both will fit. I think it will be two trips or two vehicles if your offering?

Dual stacks of 18.1 should be the same as two 18.2, I say why not?
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tesseract and Technosponge -

You guys both have pairs of CHT 18.1 SS subs right? Would you be interested in bringing your subs? I guess on initial thoughts I don't mind if we have four CHT 18.1 SS for the blind audition because they are significantly lower pricepoints than some of the other options -- would it would offer more parity if they were represented the testing at somewhat equivalent price points? Or does 2 vs. 4 subs lessen the blind equivalency tests relevance? I can see both sides here. Speak out gang?

I'll see if i can squeeze them into my car. If not, I might borrow my GF's car.

Should I bring my dual Auralex SubDudes?

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I want to box them so I don't think both will fit. I think it will be two trips or two vehicles if your offering?

Dual stacks of 18.1 should be the same as two 18.2, I say why not?

Sure, we can put one of them in my wife's Rodeo - or both might fit. I think there is more room in the Rodeo.
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I spoke with Archaea for a bit today.

We were talking about the best way to both keep this blinded as well as keep the subs/drivers out of the elements.

With all the subs in the room, there is the problem with all of the drivers being activated during playback and affecting results and listening impressions to an unknown degree...Jeff P had shared a way to short? them so they didn't move, I'm sure he or someone else could post such a method.

Then we can keep all of the subs behind a drapery wall of some sort on the side of the room, and have the unblinded guys that can move them in and out without the listeners knowledge so as to keep this blind.
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If I understood Jeff correctly - you could just short the terminals - positive and negative - with a peice of speaker wire and that would prevent the drivers from moving freely. I've not tested it, and maybe I didn't understand correctly, but perhaps someone can chime in. I can't test this easily because I have speakon connections on the cap. Can anyone with binding posts on their subs give it a verify?

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If I understood Jeff correctly - you could just short the terminals - positive and negative - with a peice of speaker wire and that would prevent the drivers from moving freely. I've not tested it, and maybe I didn't understand correctly, but perhaps someone can chime in. I can't test this easily because I have speakon connections on the cap. Can anyone with binding posts on their subs give it a verify?

I can easily do this tonight...tomorrow....Saturday when Ben comes to pick them up....
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